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Yes, I know this text is redundant within the article. However, it is previously indicated in italics rather than in the emergency procedures. I feel it's more likely to be noticed if it is mentioned redundantly, and it is critical information. -- Steven Fisher 13:26, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
"You should not call for help while the victim is able to respond verbally, as the help may attempt the Heimlich maneuver. Only if the victim is unable to reply verbally should the Heimlich maneuver be attempted."
That's what it sounds like to me. You don't want to hurt the person if they can still breathe okay. TheMrFrog 19:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the heimlich manuver can bruise or even break a person's ribs. Somebody should add what injuries the heimlich manuver canresult in. Also, how did austraila replace it, what do they use down under? On a lighter note, I found the description of a chocking person really funny, I always wondered what it meant when a person turned blue.
I think it would be clearer if a photo of an actual demonstration of the maneuver was used, or maybe a diagram showing how it is performed should be included. Eilu 14:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The image should demonstrate a person performing the technique properly, the current image displays the person performing the thrusts with his leg between the victim's legs, this is improper because if the victim were to become unconcious, the rescuer's leg may become broken. 67.68.10.170 20:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
On Drowning, someone added the following text to the advice against the Heimlich maneuver for drowning: "Furthermore, news articles have raised concerns that the entire concept is not only useless, but that Dr. Henry Heimlich used fabricated case reports to promote the idea: ". Can someone clarify this, and if possible expand this Abdominal thrusts article (if true) or work comments on the critique in the article somehow if false? Thanks -- Chris 73 | Talk 21:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Several editors have been doing mass changes in connection with the spelling of the word "maneuver" I would suggest that we are seeing UK vs US and classical vs modern styles. Let's stop the editing on this long enough to settle on one style. Pzavon 16:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The wording of this whole article is a mess. This article needs clear instructions without redundancy. To me, this article looks like it has been translated from many different languages using an Internet translator. Master Thief-117 19:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
The article mentions the procedures is controversial but fails to explain exactly why it is controversial. The controversy, which I have never heard of, should be made clear in the article, if it indeed does exist. -- Cab88 09:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I did earlier today, after some consideration redirect this article to choking, but his has been reverted back, so I feel we should discuss the way forward for this.
I find it very hard to justify an article entirely on abdominal thrusts. The procedure is only used for choking, and with how-tos removed, verges on being a stub. I will cut down the article without how-tos (as per wikipedia policy) and everyone can take a decision.
I think this should be the case because:
I would very much appreciate any input you might have to support or oppose my view (hey, i'm not right all the time) on the talk page
Thanks for your time, Owain.davies 18:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
As Owain.davies said, if you can not come up with a reasonable argument opposing why this page should be redirected, i am afraid that we will redirect this page against your wishes. We are all waiting to here the very good reasons you have to why you oppose redirection! Best Regards Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 14:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
In the absence of any further objections, i propose the following solution. I will effect the move and creating of redirect from abdominal thrust. If DXRAW or anyone else is convinced that abdominal thrusts can be an article of sufficient length and quality on it's own, then please create it in your user space, and then propose the splitting of the article again on the appropriate talk page, when another vote can be held. I think this is fair and generally inkeeping with wikipedia values. Is this acceptable to everyone? Owain.davies 19:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreeing with DXRAW , I oppose a merger. It is neither necessary nor desireable. The material on Abdominal Thrusts currently in the Choking article significantly unbalances it. That article should contain a couple of sentences on abdominal thrusts, with the greater detail, including the Heimlich's recommendation of the process for drowning and other situations, covered in an article on abdominal thrusts - or perhaps even in an article retitled "Heimlich Maneuver" to which abdominal thrusts might be redirected. Pzavon 02:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Right, I've added merge tags to both articles and placed a further plea on the first aid wikiproject for comments from people. I'm hoping we can find a clear consensus here: I propose that we leave the discussion one week until 29/5/07. By then, this will have been under discussion for 16 days, which I think is a reasonable timeframe for those who weren't happy with 6 days. If the balance of opinion remains in favour of merging, I'll do it at that time; if not we'll have a further discussion as to how we can improve this article -- John24601 08:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I've redirected the article to Choking and temporarily protected it because there were some problems over the weekend. This is not an endorsement of this editorial decision but I reviewed this talk page and, while there there isn't a full consensus, that is clearly the most supported action. So it seemed that implementing the redirect was the best way to sort out the mess. If you guys wish to continue this discussion and are able to reach a clearer consensus and need admin help implementing it, please feel free to let me know on my talk page and I'll be happy to help. Sarah 06:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I recovered some of the article from 2007 and updated it today. Kind regards JakobSteenberg ( talk) 15:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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I think many many people look this up in time of EMERGENCY. Compressing below diaphragm are academic words. I'm not very good with simple english for non native reader, I think press below rib cage or one palm above belly button is a lot clearer. Maybe write a very tight hug below rib cage? YogiHalim ( talk) 00:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Heimlich maneuver is not a found object. It is a technique created by Henry Heimlich. Therefore I'm reverting the recent edit of "discovered" back to invented. "Popularized" I'd be fine with too, if there is good support for it over "invented." ScienceFlyer ( talk) 00:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
The current text of the article mentions that Dr. Heimlich's son disputes the validity of his father's claim that he saved someone himself, but on this BBC podcast, his daughter says the very opposite, and includes a clip of her father telling the story himself, along with that of the woman he saved. Witness History - The Heimlich Manoeuvre - BBC Sounds - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct4xhp Typofixer76 ( talk) 09:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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Yes, I know this text is redundant within the article. However, it is previously indicated in italics rather than in the emergency procedures. I feel it's more likely to be noticed if it is mentioned redundantly, and it is critical information. -- Steven Fisher 13:26, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
"You should not call for help while the victim is able to respond verbally, as the help may attempt the Heimlich maneuver. Only if the victim is unable to reply verbally should the Heimlich maneuver be attempted."
That's what it sounds like to me. You don't want to hurt the person if they can still breathe okay. TheMrFrog 19:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the heimlich manuver can bruise or even break a person's ribs. Somebody should add what injuries the heimlich manuver canresult in. Also, how did austraila replace it, what do they use down under? On a lighter note, I found the description of a chocking person really funny, I always wondered what it meant when a person turned blue.
I think it would be clearer if a photo of an actual demonstration of the maneuver was used, or maybe a diagram showing how it is performed should be included. Eilu 14:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The image should demonstrate a person performing the technique properly, the current image displays the person performing the thrusts with his leg between the victim's legs, this is improper because if the victim were to become unconcious, the rescuer's leg may become broken. 67.68.10.170 20:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
On Drowning, someone added the following text to the advice against the Heimlich maneuver for drowning: "Furthermore, news articles have raised concerns that the entire concept is not only useless, but that Dr. Henry Heimlich used fabricated case reports to promote the idea: ". Can someone clarify this, and if possible expand this Abdominal thrusts article (if true) or work comments on the critique in the article somehow if false? Thanks -- Chris 73 | Talk 21:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Several editors have been doing mass changes in connection with the spelling of the word "maneuver" I would suggest that we are seeing UK vs US and classical vs modern styles. Let's stop the editing on this long enough to settle on one style. Pzavon 16:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The wording of this whole article is a mess. This article needs clear instructions without redundancy. To me, this article looks like it has been translated from many different languages using an Internet translator. Master Thief-117 19:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
The article mentions the procedures is controversial but fails to explain exactly why it is controversial. The controversy, which I have never heard of, should be made clear in the article, if it indeed does exist. -- Cab88 09:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I did earlier today, after some consideration redirect this article to choking, but his has been reverted back, so I feel we should discuss the way forward for this.
I find it very hard to justify an article entirely on abdominal thrusts. The procedure is only used for choking, and with how-tos removed, verges on being a stub. I will cut down the article without how-tos (as per wikipedia policy) and everyone can take a decision.
I think this should be the case because:
I would very much appreciate any input you might have to support or oppose my view (hey, i'm not right all the time) on the talk page
Thanks for your time, Owain.davies 18:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
As Owain.davies said, if you can not come up with a reasonable argument opposing why this page should be redirected, i am afraid that we will redirect this page against your wishes. We are all waiting to here the very good reasons you have to why you oppose redirection! Best Regards Dep. Garcia ( Talk + | Help Desk | Complaints ) 14:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
In the absence of any further objections, i propose the following solution. I will effect the move and creating of redirect from abdominal thrust. If DXRAW or anyone else is convinced that abdominal thrusts can be an article of sufficient length and quality on it's own, then please create it in your user space, and then propose the splitting of the article again on the appropriate talk page, when another vote can be held. I think this is fair and generally inkeeping with wikipedia values. Is this acceptable to everyone? Owain.davies 19:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreeing with DXRAW , I oppose a merger. It is neither necessary nor desireable. The material on Abdominal Thrusts currently in the Choking article significantly unbalances it. That article should contain a couple of sentences on abdominal thrusts, with the greater detail, including the Heimlich's recommendation of the process for drowning and other situations, covered in an article on abdominal thrusts - or perhaps even in an article retitled "Heimlich Maneuver" to which abdominal thrusts might be redirected. Pzavon 02:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Right, I've added merge tags to both articles and placed a further plea on the first aid wikiproject for comments from people. I'm hoping we can find a clear consensus here: I propose that we leave the discussion one week until 29/5/07. By then, this will have been under discussion for 16 days, which I think is a reasonable timeframe for those who weren't happy with 6 days. If the balance of opinion remains in favour of merging, I'll do it at that time; if not we'll have a further discussion as to how we can improve this article -- John24601 08:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I've redirected the article to Choking and temporarily protected it because there were some problems over the weekend. This is not an endorsement of this editorial decision but I reviewed this talk page and, while there there isn't a full consensus, that is clearly the most supported action. So it seemed that implementing the redirect was the best way to sort out the mess. If you guys wish to continue this discussion and are able to reach a clearer consensus and need admin help implementing it, please feel free to let me know on my talk page and I'll be happy to help. Sarah 06:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I recovered some of the article from 2007 and updated it today. Kind regards JakobSteenberg ( talk) 15:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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I think many many people look this up in time of EMERGENCY. Compressing below diaphragm are academic words. I'm not very good with simple english for non native reader, I think press below rib cage or one palm above belly button is a lot clearer. Maybe write a very tight hug below rib cage? YogiHalim ( talk) 00:52, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Heimlich maneuver is not a found object. It is a technique created by Henry Heimlich. Therefore I'm reverting the recent edit of "discovered" back to invented. "Popularized" I'd be fine with too, if there is good support for it over "invented." ScienceFlyer ( talk) 00:27, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
The current text of the article mentions that Dr. Heimlich's son disputes the validity of his father's claim that he saved someone himself, but on this BBC podcast, his daughter says the very opposite, and includes a clip of her father telling the story himself, along with that of the woman he saved. Witness History - The Heimlich Manoeuvre - BBC Sounds - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct4xhp Typofixer76 ( talk) 09:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)