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Cplakidas: Good article. But it does feel non neutral with the very expressive wording that kind of feels unencyclopediac in a way. Some examples look to be
Most medieval historians, obviously drawing from the same account, report that Usama ibn Munqidh (is obviously a good word here?)
This was easily achieved, as Ibn al-Sallar's rule had been oppressive, and the caliph apparently had already sought to get rid of his over-mighty vizier. (oppressive could probably be okay but what's with the use of over-mighty?)
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Onegreatjoke: Thanks for taking the time to review this. 'Obviously' is indeed perhaps too strong, so changed it to 'apparently', but it is what modern scholars all agree on. They equally call Ibn al-Sallar's regime 'oppressive' or 'tyrannical', and I don't know how else to describe that. I have added a 'was regarded as' to make clear that Wikipedia doesn't take sides, but that was what contemporaries thought. Likewise, with 'over-mighty', the problem for the caliph was that the vizier held enormous power, to the point, as became evident, of being able to threaten the caliph himself. Getting rid of an 'over-mighty' subject is a very old theme for monarchs. I am open for suggestions of different phrasing to convey this, but at the moment I cannot think of another formulation.
Constantine ✍ 17:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)reply
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Overall: @
Cplakidas: Good article. But it does feel non neutral with the very expressive wording that kind of feels unencyclopediac in a way. Some examples look to be
Most medieval historians, obviously drawing from the same account, report that Usama ibn Munqidh (is obviously a good word here?)
This was easily achieved, as Ibn al-Sallar's rule had been oppressive, and the caliph apparently had already sought to get rid of his over-mighty vizier. (oppressive could probably be okay but what's with the use of over-mighty?)
@
Onegreatjoke: Thanks for taking the time to review this. 'Obviously' is indeed perhaps too strong, so changed it to 'apparently', but it is what modern scholars all agree on. They equally call Ibn al-Sallar's regime 'oppressive' or 'tyrannical', and I don't know how else to describe that. I have added a 'was regarded as' to make clear that Wikipedia doesn't take sides, but that was what contemporaries thought. Likewise, with 'over-mighty', the problem for the caliph was that the vizier held enormous power, to the point, as became evident, of being able to threaten the caliph himself. Getting rid of an 'over-mighty' subject is a very old theme for monarchs. I am open for suggestions of different phrasing to convey this, but at the moment I cannot think of another formulation.
Constantine ✍ 17:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)reply