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This is an incorrect reading of the myth of the Abatwa. Abatwa is the Zulu word for Bushman or San. People today still identify as Abatwa in the Drakensberg Mountains and are struggling for recognition. They have been described elsewhere by some anthropologists namely Frans Prins and Michael Francis. The myths above have been known to relate to the Abatwa and historic notes and documents from early academcis also record such myths. See Werner for an english gloss on the "where did you see me myth?". In Zulu the phrase is Ongibonabonephi?. Such myths as the one above do exist alongside the extant peoples aiding in their dispossession and marginalisation. Most Abatwa historically moved in a settled with the dominant Nguni (Zulu, Xhosa, Swazi and Ndebele people) as a way to avoid the genocide facing them from colonial encroachment. The Bushmen or Abatwa of the Drakensberg were listed as vermin until the 1920s and settlers could murder them with impunity. It is a sad history that is only now getting the attention it deserves. -163.1.233.135
actualy name Abatwa is meaning Twa in Bantu languages,simiral in East and center Africa the call them Twa or Batwa. or mbilikimo, if is aperson Mtwa, many Batwa,(Abatwa)the Bush man. this is the same people who run away from Mt Kilimanjaro to Lake victoria Tanganyika enter Rwanda/Congo/Burundi.other went to Southen African countries such as Zimbabwe,Namibia.Botswana,and RSA, the reamined is still in tanzania as Sandawe with there Click langueges, the languege change in Others countries after some years go, you can read this two altacle bellow
https://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasandawe https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Bushmen
The term also refers to a mythical people who were so small they supposedly lived in ant hills. Armed with powerful poison they would kill anyone who pointed out their small stature or happened to step on them.
...I think I'm beginning to understand. This word consists of two parts, the "Ab", and the "-twa". I don't know what the first one means, but the article links us to Twa, which referrs to a tribe more indiginous to central Congo than the Bantus, who less anciently arrived in the area. But when I first arrived here, it was defined totally differently. It was in the category of fabled creatures, the kind of cultural folk belief creature that all cultures seem to have, something along the lines of a leprechaun, fairy, or some such thing, but this one from a Bantu culture. So this article reads like it does because this word has some kind of double-meaning. Is this correct? Chrisrus ( talk) 04:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Jcwf ( talk) 18:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
This article has less number of citations kindly provide proper citations and try to improve article according to Wikipedia policies and kind expand it and if you allow my self I can certainly help you in expanding it. Thanks.-- Faizanalivarya ( talk) 13:39, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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This is an incorrect reading of the myth of the Abatwa. Abatwa is the Zulu word for Bushman or San. People today still identify as Abatwa in the Drakensberg Mountains and are struggling for recognition. They have been described elsewhere by some anthropologists namely Frans Prins and Michael Francis. The myths above have been known to relate to the Abatwa and historic notes and documents from early academcis also record such myths. See Werner for an english gloss on the "where did you see me myth?". In Zulu the phrase is Ongibonabonephi?. Such myths as the one above do exist alongside the extant peoples aiding in their dispossession and marginalisation. Most Abatwa historically moved in a settled with the dominant Nguni (Zulu, Xhosa, Swazi and Ndebele people) as a way to avoid the genocide facing them from colonial encroachment. The Bushmen or Abatwa of the Drakensberg were listed as vermin until the 1920s and settlers could murder them with impunity. It is a sad history that is only now getting the attention it deserves. -163.1.233.135
actualy name Abatwa is meaning Twa in Bantu languages,simiral in East and center Africa the call them Twa or Batwa. or mbilikimo, if is aperson Mtwa, many Batwa,(Abatwa)the Bush man. this is the same people who run away from Mt Kilimanjaro to Lake victoria Tanganyika enter Rwanda/Congo/Burundi.other went to Southen African countries such as Zimbabwe,Namibia.Botswana,and RSA, the reamined is still in tanzania as Sandawe with there Click langueges, the languege change in Others countries after some years go, you can read this two altacle bellow
https://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasandawe https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Bushmen
The term also refers to a mythical people who were so small they supposedly lived in ant hills. Armed with powerful poison they would kill anyone who pointed out their small stature or happened to step on them.
...I think I'm beginning to understand. This word consists of two parts, the "Ab", and the "-twa". I don't know what the first one means, but the article links us to Twa, which referrs to a tribe more indiginous to central Congo than the Bantus, who less anciently arrived in the area. But when I first arrived here, it was defined totally differently. It was in the category of fabled creatures, the kind of cultural folk belief creature that all cultures seem to have, something along the lines of a leprechaun, fairy, or some such thing, but this one from a Bantu culture. So this article reads like it does because this word has some kind of double-meaning. Is this correct? Chrisrus ( talk) 04:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Jcwf ( talk) 18:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
This article has less number of citations kindly provide proper citations and try to improve article according to Wikipedia policies and kind expand it and if you allow my self I can certainly help you in expanding it. Thanks.-- Faizanalivarya ( talk) 13:39, 21 June 2012 (UTC)