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Des anyone know Portugese capitalization? -- Klein zach 06:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
The New Grove Dictionary of Opera as well as the WikiProject Opera state (you can read the wiki policy under "
Operas: original language titles"): "When listing operas by their original language title (provided that language uses the Latin alphabet), the spelling in the original language, including any accents and diacritics, should be preserved". This opera is in the Brazilian Portuguese language, not Italian, Spanish, or French, nor subject to other language ortographic rules, but Brazilian Portuguese. Please respect Brazillian ortographic rules! The title is originally spelled with capital letters. Please stop changing the spelling to reflect the wrong spelling. If you are still in doubt, you can check the following reference:
Ferreira, Auréiio Buarque de Holanda. Novo Dicionário da Língua Portuguesa. 2nd Edition revista e aumentada, "IX Formulário Ortográfico, XVI - EMPRÊGO DAS INICIAIS MAIÚSCULAS, 9º", p.XIV. Editora Nova Fronteira, Rio de Janeiro, 1986.
The capitalization in Grove (Béhague, Gerard (1992), 'Gomes, Joao' in The
New Grove Dictionary of Opera, ed. Stanley Sadie (London)
ISBN
0-333-73432-7) is A noite do castelo. Any statement contradicting this is false. --
Klein
zach
08:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Excuse ME, Klein, but you are mistaken, while trying to twist this issue around! I am only following en.wikipedia's WikiProject Opera policy. Please read on:
I have quoted this rule from the very WikiProject Opera policy, under " Operas: original language titles". Have a good day! KerrBr ( talk) 05:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
KerrBr, you are confusing spelling and inherent word capitalization with title capitalization format. They are not the same thing. This would only be a spelling issue if the words "noite" and "castelo" are always capitalized in Brazilian Portuguese even when they are not part of a title, in the same way that "Monday" is always capitalized in English (unlike "lunedì", its equivalent in Italian, which is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a sentence). However, if you are determined to keep a title format at odds with the major opera reference works and inconsistent with the standard editorial guidelines used on the Opera Project and to keep reverting it, I'll add a footnote to the article re the capitalization used in Grove, The Harvard Biographical Dictionary of Music, etc. Voceditenore ( talk) 06:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I wrote the artcile. I am not the one who kept going back to change the way it was first written. I first wrote it correctly. No need to change it at all in the first place. Obviously, Kleinzach did not know how to spell it in Brazilian Portuguese, or he would not have started this thread asking for help from someone who knew Brazilian-Portuguese editorial style. Now you guys will not even allow me to make the tiniest footnote on the reference sub-section describing the correct orthographic style to spell the opera title in Brazilian Portuguese. Some type of aversion for the correct original language! What kind of enyclopedia are you guys running here when you do not even want to allow the reader to learn how to spell the title of a foreign language correctly? Do you own this article?
Changing the capitalization title of this Brazilian-Portuguese opera article to reflect the way you personally prefer under the excuse that WIkipedia follows the "sentence capitalization" guidelines for operas in "all" non-English languages while keeping the titles for the German language operas under an exclusively different editorial style violates Wikiepdia's impartiality principle.
Not only the WIkiOpera Project points out (not the sentence capitalization usage but) the original language style for editing articles, but every where else in Wikipedia help articles recommends the original language usage.
see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Capital_letters
for "Capital letters", it reads:
"Main article: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)
There are differences between the major varieties of English in the use of capitals (uppercase letters). Where this is an issue, the rules of the cultural and linguistic context apply."
and also:
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)> "Capital letters are sometimes a matter of regional differences; for example, British writers and editors are more inclined to use them than their North American counterparts. If possible, as with spelling, use rules appropriate to the cultural and linguistic context." KerrBr ( talk) 07:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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Des anyone know Portugese capitalization? -- Klein zach 06:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
The New Grove Dictionary of Opera as well as the WikiProject Opera state (you can read the wiki policy under "
Operas: original language titles"): "When listing operas by their original language title (provided that language uses the Latin alphabet), the spelling in the original language, including any accents and diacritics, should be preserved". This opera is in the Brazilian Portuguese language, not Italian, Spanish, or French, nor subject to other language ortographic rules, but Brazilian Portuguese. Please respect Brazillian ortographic rules! The title is originally spelled with capital letters. Please stop changing the spelling to reflect the wrong spelling. If you are still in doubt, you can check the following reference:
Ferreira, Auréiio Buarque de Holanda. Novo Dicionário da Língua Portuguesa. 2nd Edition revista e aumentada, "IX Formulário Ortográfico, XVI - EMPRÊGO DAS INICIAIS MAIÚSCULAS, 9º", p.XIV. Editora Nova Fronteira, Rio de Janeiro, 1986.
The capitalization in Grove (Béhague, Gerard (1992), 'Gomes, Joao' in The
New Grove Dictionary of Opera, ed. Stanley Sadie (London)
ISBN
0-333-73432-7) is A noite do castelo. Any statement contradicting this is false. --
Klein
zach
08:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Excuse ME, Klein, but you are mistaken, while trying to twist this issue around! I am only following en.wikipedia's WikiProject Opera policy. Please read on:
I have quoted this rule from the very WikiProject Opera policy, under " Operas: original language titles". Have a good day! KerrBr ( talk) 05:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
KerrBr, you are confusing spelling and inherent word capitalization with title capitalization format. They are not the same thing. This would only be a spelling issue if the words "noite" and "castelo" are always capitalized in Brazilian Portuguese even when they are not part of a title, in the same way that "Monday" is always capitalized in English (unlike "lunedì", its equivalent in Italian, which is never capitalized unless it is the first word in a sentence). However, if you are determined to keep a title format at odds with the major opera reference works and inconsistent with the standard editorial guidelines used on the Opera Project and to keep reverting it, I'll add a footnote to the article re the capitalization used in Grove, The Harvard Biographical Dictionary of Music, etc. Voceditenore ( talk) 06:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I wrote the artcile. I am not the one who kept going back to change the way it was first written. I first wrote it correctly. No need to change it at all in the first place. Obviously, Kleinzach did not know how to spell it in Brazilian Portuguese, or he would not have started this thread asking for help from someone who knew Brazilian-Portuguese editorial style. Now you guys will not even allow me to make the tiniest footnote on the reference sub-section describing the correct orthographic style to spell the opera title in Brazilian Portuguese. Some type of aversion for the correct original language! What kind of enyclopedia are you guys running here when you do not even want to allow the reader to learn how to spell the title of a foreign language correctly? Do you own this article?
Changing the capitalization title of this Brazilian-Portuguese opera article to reflect the way you personally prefer under the excuse that WIkipedia follows the "sentence capitalization" guidelines for operas in "all" non-English languages while keeping the titles for the German language operas under an exclusively different editorial style violates Wikiepdia's impartiality principle.
Not only the WIkiOpera Project points out (not the sentence capitalization usage but) the original language style for editing articles, but every where else in Wikipedia help articles recommends the original language usage.
see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Capital_letters
for "Capital letters", it reads:
"Main article: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)
There are differences between the major varieties of English in the use of capitals (uppercase letters). Where this is an issue, the rules of the cultural and linguistic context apply."
and also:
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters)> "Capital letters are sometimes a matter of regional differences; for example, British writers and editors are more inclined to use them than their North American counterparts. If possible, as with spelling, use rules appropriate to the cultural and linguistic context." KerrBr ( talk) 07:59, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
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