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from Archives: "This article completely ignores the single release that Annie Lennox had with the song... I understand not wanting vaguely notable covers in a long, long list but this was actually a widespread physical release. 12.162.122.6 (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)" There was a partial list of cover versions which was deleted as arbitrary and lacking notability. But this little Annie Lennox entry is a lonely orphan and doesn't set out why this version is notable - can someone add that? Are there not other covers that are noteworthy also? (Sorry, not my field!) Davidships ( talk) 19:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
LOL, the compilers totally failed to mentioned a version of 'A Whiter Shade of Pale' was used in the ICI Dulux paint TV commercial in the UK in around the late 1970s and early 1980s. This was the best remembered use of the song/music and anyone over 45 years old will immediately recall the Dulux paint spot on hearing the song. Compilers, please include something about this in the main article. Thanks. 1.36.62.17 ( talk) 16:59, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
The repeated lyric, "As the miller told his tale" is quite important to the lyric content. The "tale" referred to is titled " The Miller's Tale" and appears in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. It adds to the idea that the woman's face becomes more pale, as the subject of the miller's tale, in Chaucer, has often been considered quite bawdy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericursus ( talk • contribs) 23:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Should there not be a section dealing with the widespread interpretation of the lyrics as referring to a death by drug overdose? ♆ CUSH ♆ 11:27, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Trip the light fantastic has some info about the quite enigmatic beginning of those lyrics. I think there should be some here, too, or at least a wiki link. -- 84.114.185.2 ( talk) 23:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The Millere, that for dronken was al pale, The Miller, who for drunkenness was all pale
The Miller's Tale itself is about a disastrous attempt of a young student to have a night of passion with the young wife of an old carpenter. (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.229.53 ( talk)
It states that "a whiter shade of pale" was No1 one from 8th June 1967- 19th July 1967. I however contradicts a wikipedia page stating that "all you need is love" by the Beatles was No1 from July 7th 1967 for 3 weeks!!
Can you please tell me what song was No1 on the 15th July 1967.
Kind regards,
Scot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.128.163.90 ( talk) 16:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Johnny Rivers version of A Whiter Shade of Pale should have been cited in the article. It is absurd to the fact that an article about this song have omitted the version whose success almost exceeded the original one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.102.149.108 ( talk) 19:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Willie Nelson version of A Whiter Shade of Pale should've been cited in article to keep the music track record exist Beezanteeum ( talk) 01:33, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello. The last sentence of the section Recording and Personnel seems incomplete. Did Procol Harum ever include this song on an album in the UK? Com Incense ( talk) 06:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The song was featured in this recently released movie starring Tom Cruise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.70.193.16 ( talk) 17:14, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Something cannot 'reach a crescendo'.
i always was lead to believe that PH were a Dutch band not English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.47.92 ( talk) 12:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
How can a song be an adaptation of a cantata, a complex work in several movements? Possibly only one of the movements, the last? Please clarify.
There is no drunken seduction. There is an attempt. Read the lyrics again. They're actually rather straightforward. Sex is not a form of travel. It's a busload of girls on a school trip - that's right in the lyrics. None of you ever been to a British ballroom?
There's nothing unusual about the song, either structurally or thematically, aside from Reed's inventive approach. What is truly unusual is how pundits, especially from the other side of the pond, try to make a myth out of this, exactly as they did with the Lennon (Glass Onion) and 'Paul is dead' hysterias. Not to forget that this was the age of burning Beatles albums. Not to forget!
If it's progressive, it must be (in the minds of our dear critics) because it had a Hammond organ. Seriously.
Yes, the C major composition has what's known as a 'bass pedal'. That's both easy to understand and illustrate. Effectively the chords are tonic, subdominant, dominant, and back again, with the bass going C-B-A-G (tonic to dominant) and then F-E-D-C followed by G-F-E-D, which means you can derive additional harmonies with the chords C Em Am C, F Am Dm F, G G7, Em G, and so forth. And of course you interrupt this pattern for the resolution to the 'chorus'.
The music does NOT repeat NOT 'borrow' from Percy Sledge. That's just ridiculous. As if no one in music had ever before used that progression. There are but certain similarities.
One would silently (and respectfully) wish that know-it-alls refrained from commenting on things of which they know nothing - such as music theory.
Have a great day.
PS. Congrats to Fisher. But it is important to note that the Law Lords focused on a 'signature' part (or 'hook') of an otherwise complete work.
Track listings of What? Can someone explain what that is, i guess some annie lennox release, but its not a listing of the referenced medusa album. And was it really a double cd with only 4 tracks on each disk?
Whatever it is i'm inclined to think it belongs on the annie lennox page and not here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.103.146.141 ( talk) 11:27, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
on investigation it is also not the track listing for her ep Gjxj ( talk) 18:08, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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Willie Nelson version of A Whiter Shade of Pale should've been cited in article to keep the music track record exist Beezanteeum ( talk) 01:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
The introduction says that more than 1000 versions of the songs have been recorded and provides 3 sources.
I am skeptical about it. I don't know what's so phenomenal about Annie Lennox's version. What I know is that Doro's version is pretty legendary and it should be added to this article.
ICE77 ( talk) 00:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
User:Saltwithlove From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search A Whiter Shade Of Pale : The Full Version The full four verse song has only ever been released ,commercially , under licence from Bucks Music Group , by The Noteworthys . The Noteworthys , a four piece band + vocals , were formed from a community of musicians , all regulars at Noteworthy Open Mic , a now monthly night at Paper Dress Vintage , London E8 . They are , in this iteration :
. Charlotte Algar (Vocals + Arrangements) Julien Baraness (Guitar + Mixing) Matteo Loderick (Keyboards) Tim Miller (Drums) Phil Rashleigh (Bass)
Recording Sound Engineer Jim Dore ;
.Producer Grant Maclean of Saltwithlove Ltd
Here are the Official Lyrics :
Verse One We skipped the light fandango Turned cartwheels 'cross the floor I was feeling kinda seasick But the crowd called out for more The room was humming harder As the ceiling flew away When we called out for another drink And the waiter brought a tray
Chorus And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale
Verse Two She said, "There is no reason And the truth is plain to see. " But I wandered through my playing cards And they would not let her be One of sixteen vestal virgins Who were leaving for the coast And although my eyes were open wide They might have just as well been closed Chorus And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale
Verse Three :
.She said, "I'm here on a shore leave," Though we were miles at sea. I pointed out this detail And forced her to agree, Saying, "You must be the mermaid Who took King Neptune for a ride. " And she smiled at me so sweetly That my anger straightway died.
Chorus : And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale
Verse Four :
. If music be the food of love Then laughter is it's queen And likewise if behind is in front Then dirt in truth is clean My mouth by then like cardboard Seemed to slip straight through my head So we crash-dived straightway quickly And attacked the ocean bed
Chorus : And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale
The Noteworthys are deeply honoured , and grateful , to have been granted Permission on the 8th November 2018 for full commercial release of the four verse song . Of the hundreds of cover versions , both licensed and unlicensed , we believe this to be the first ever studio version by anyone , save Procol Harum themselves . To have been granted this Permission , with the very Crown jewels of psychedelic rock , is a once in a lifetime honour , and everyone involved is both humbled , and very proud . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGJbN7nBb3o
. https://www.facebook.com/The-Noteworthys-1898592116910759/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saltwithlove ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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I've seen the second video but there are no citations in its section here. 84.67.8.95 ( talk) 18:53, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Doro Pesch covered "Whiter Shade of Pale" 1989 on the "Force Majure" Album as you can see on Wiki's page for Doro
Force Majeure (Doro album) Are the editors only allowing certain genre's to be allowed on the page as I see other artists who did the same song removed as well?
VrăjitoareDes ( talk) 21:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
So far in my research of a beautiful rendition of this song I have not found where the basis of the lyrics came from. I would like to as this song captures many of the emotions of the body and heart and soul. Thank you all Steve , Indiana USA 2600:1000:B16D:B058:9DE1:3B79:C7B4:7FF2 ( talk) 15:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Just to be clear, when it states that Fisher won "40% of the composers' share of the music copyright", does that mean 40% of the 50% for a total of 20% of the full royalties? With the split 50% for Reid, 30% for Brooker, and 20% for Fisher. -- User:Khajidha ( talk) ( contributions) 12:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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from Archives: "This article completely ignores the single release that Annie Lennox had with the song... I understand not wanting vaguely notable covers in a long, long list but this was actually a widespread physical release. 12.162.122.6 (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)" There was a partial list of cover versions which was deleted as arbitrary and lacking notability. But this little Annie Lennox entry is a lonely orphan and doesn't set out why this version is notable - can someone add that? Are there not other covers that are noteworthy also? (Sorry, not my field!) Davidships ( talk) 19:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
LOL, the compilers totally failed to mentioned a version of 'A Whiter Shade of Pale' was used in the ICI Dulux paint TV commercial in the UK in around the late 1970s and early 1980s. This was the best remembered use of the song/music and anyone over 45 years old will immediately recall the Dulux paint spot on hearing the song. Compilers, please include something about this in the main article. Thanks. 1.36.62.17 ( talk) 16:59, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
The repeated lyric, "As the miller told his tale" is quite important to the lyric content. The "tale" referred to is titled " The Miller's Tale" and appears in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. It adds to the idea that the woman's face becomes more pale, as the subject of the miller's tale, in Chaucer, has often been considered quite bawdy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericursus ( talk • contribs) 23:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Should there not be a section dealing with the widespread interpretation of the lyrics as referring to a death by drug overdose? ♆ CUSH ♆ 11:27, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Trip the light fantastic has some info about the quite enigmatic beginning of those lyrics. I think there should be some here, too, or at least a wiki link. -- 84.114.185.2 ( talk) 23:20, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The Millere, that for dronken was al pale, The Miller, who for drunkenness was all pale
The Miller's Tale itself is about a disastrous attempt of a young student to have a night of passion with the young wife of an old carpenter. (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.229.53 ( talk)
It states that "a whiter shade of pale" was No1 one from 8th June 1967- 19th July 1967. I however contradicts a wikipedia page stating that "all you need is love" by the Beatles was No1 from July 7th 1967 for 3 weeks!!
Can you please tell me what song was No1 on the 15th July 1967.
Kind regards,
Scot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.128.163.90 ( talk) 16:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Johnny Rivers version of A Whiter Shade of Pale should have been cited in the article. It is absurd to the fact that an article about this song have omitted the version whose success almost exceeded the original one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.102.149.108 ( talk) 19:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Willie Nelson version of A Whiter Shade of Pale should've been cited in article to keep the music track record exist Beezanteeum ( talk) 01:33, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello. The last sentence of the section Recording and Personnel seems incomplete. Did Procol Harum ever include this song on an album in the UK? Com Incense ( talk) 06:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
The song was featured in this recently released movie starring Tom Cruise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.70.193.16 ( talk) 17:14, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Something cannot 'reach a crescendo'.
i always was lead to believe that PH were a Dutch band not English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.47.92 ( talk) 12:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
How can a song be an adaptation of a cantata, a complex work in several movements? Possibly only one of the movements, the last? Please clarify.
There is no drunken seduction. There is an attempt. Read the lyrics again. They're actually rather straightforward. Sex is not a form of travel. It's a busload of girls on a school trip - that's right in the lyrics. None of you ever been to a British ballroom?
There's nothing unusual about the song, either structurally or thematically, aside from Reed's inventive approach. What is truly unusual is how pundits, especially from the other side of the pond, try to make a myth out of this, exactly as they did with the Lennon (Glass Onion) and 'Paul is dead' hysterias. Not to forget that this was the age of burning Beatles albums. Not to forget!
If it's progressive, it must be (in the minds of our dear critics) because it had a Hammond organ. Seriously.
Yes, the C major composition has what's known as a 'bass pedal'. That's both easy to understand and illustrate. Effectively the chords are tonic, subdominant, dominant, and back again, with the bass going C-B-A-G (tonic to dominant) and then F-E-D-C followed by G-F-E-D, which means you can derive additional harmonies with the chords C Em Am C, F Am Dm F, G G7, Em G, and so forth. And of course you interrupt this pattern for the resolution to the 'chorus'.
The music does NOT repeat NOT 'borrow' from Percy Sledge. That's just ridiculous. As if no one in music had ever before used that progression. There are but certain similarities.
One would silently (and respectfully) wish that know-it-alls refrained from commenting on things of which they know nothing - such as music theory.
Have a great day.
PS. Congrats to Fisher. But it is important to note that the Law Lords focused on a 'signature' part (or 'hook') of an otherwise complete work.
Track listings of What? Can someone explain what that is, i guess some annie lennox release, but its not a listing of the referenced medusa album. And was it really a double cd with only 4 tracks on each disk?
Whatever it is i'm inclined to think it belongs on the annie lennox page and not here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.103.146.141 ( talk) 11:27, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
on investigation it is also not the track listing for her ep Gjxj ( talk) 18:08, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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Willie Nelson version of A Whiter Shade of Pale should've been cited in article to keep the music track record exist Beezanteeum ( talk) 01:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
The introduction says that more than 1000 versions of the songs have been recorded and provides 3 sources.
I am skeptical about it. I don't know what's so phenomenal about Annie Lennox's version. What I know is that Doro's version is pretty legendary and it should be added to this article.
ICE77 ( talk) 00:25, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
User:Saltwithlove From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search A Whiter Shade Of Pale : The Full Version The full four verse song has only ever been released ,commercially , under licence from Bucks Music Group , by The Noteworthys . The Noteworthys , a four piece band + vocals , were formed from a community of musicians , all regulars at Noteworthy Open Mic , a now monthly night at Paper Dress Vintage , London E8 . They are , in this iteration :
. Charlotte Algar (Vocals + Arrangements) Julien Baraness (Guitar + Mixing) Matteo Loderick (Keyboards) Tim Miller (Drums) Phil Rashleigh (Bass)
Recording Sound Engineer Jim Dore ;
.Producer Grant Maclean of Saltwithlove Ltd
Here are the Official Lyrics :
Verse One We skipped the light fandango Turned cartwheels 'cross the floor I was feeling kinda seasick But the crowd called out for more The room was humming harder As the ceiling flew away When we called out for another drink And the waiter brought a tray
Chorus And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale
Verse Two She said, "There is no reason And the truth is plain to see. " But I wandered through my playing cards And they would not let her be One of sixteen vestal virgins Who were leaving for the coast And although my eyes were open wide They might have just as well been closed Chorus And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale
Verse Three :
.She said, "I'm here on a shore leave," Though we were miles at sea. I pointed out this detail And forced her to agree, Saying, "You must be the mermaid Who took King Neptune for a ride. " And she smiled at me so sweetly That my anger straightway died.
Chorus : And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale
Verse Four :
. If music be the food of love Then laughter is it's queen And likewise if behind is in front Then dirt in truth is clean My mouth by then like cardboard Seemed to slip straight through my head So we crash-dived straightway quickly And attacked the ocean bed
Chorus : And so it was that later As the miller told his tale That her face, at first just ghostly, Turned a whiter shade of pale
The Noteworthys are deeply honoured , and grateful , to have been granted Permission on the 8th November 2018 for full commercial release of the four verse song . Of the hundreds of cover versions , both licensed and unlicensed , we believe this to be the first ever studio version by anyone , save Procol Harum themselves . To have been granted this Permission , with the very Crown jewels of psychedelic rock , is a once in a lifetime honour , and everyone involved is both humbled , and very proud . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGJbN7nBb3o
. https://www.facebook.com/The-Noteworthys-1898592116910759/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saltwithlove ( talk • contribs) 22:20, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of A Whiter Shade of Pale's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "billboard":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 16:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
I've seen the second video but there are no citations in its section here. 84.67.8.95 ( talk) 18:53, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
Doro Pesch covered "Whiter Shade of Pale" 1989 on the "Force Majure" Album as you can see on Wiki's page for Doro
Force Majeure (Doro album) Are the editors only allowing certain genre's to be allowed on the page as I see other artists who did the same song removed as well?
VrăjitoareDes ( talk) 21:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
So far in my research of a beautiful rendition of this song I have not found where the basis of the lyrics came from. I would like to as this song captures many of the emotions of the body and heart and soul. Thank you all Steve , Indiana USA 2600:1000:B16D:B058:9DE1:3B79:C7B4:7FF2 ( talk) 15:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Just to be clear, when it states that Fisher won "40% of the composers' share of the music copyright", does that mean 40% of the 50% for a total of 20% of the full royalties? With the split 50% for Reid, 30% for Brooker, and 20% for Fisher. -- User:Khajidha ( talk) ( contributions) 12:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)