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The correct title for this "faux" book is: A Racial Programme for the Twentieth Century
Since this keeps coming up:
Whether this means A: that such a work does not exist or B: that the Elders of Zion are scrupulous about covering their tracks, you may decide. — Charles P._ (Mirv) 22:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I know the book exists, I hold a copy of the original works in my very hands. I also know of several other books published by Mr. Cohen during his time in England.
Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past. Stop distorting history for your own benifit.
This is why a man like Professor Earl Raab of Brandeis University's Institute for Jewish Advocacy can write with such utter confidence that:
Further Proof:
Israel Cohen, A Short History of Zionism (Muller, 1951)
http://www.art.man.ac.uk/RELTHEOL/JEWISH/EXHIBITION/ARCHIVE.HTML
[ The University of Manchester took this link down, but you can find the book posted at the following location: http://www.archive.org/details/shorthistoryofzi009976mbp ]
(By the bye, and not really related to this article, there was some technical weirdness going on with this talk page due to a bug that causes multiple creations of the same page. 210.54.59.106's initial post (everything above "Further Proof") didn't show up in the history thanks to the bug. At first I wasn't able to restore it by the usual technical means, but it all seems to have sorted itself out now. If the edit history for this page has any unexplained strangeness, that's why.) — Charles P. (Mirv) 08:34, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Although I wouldn't want to place many bets on the reliability of this link, but it does claim to give a reference which perhaps someone can try tracking down at a library and either confirming or discrediting:
http://www.heretical.org/miscella/fredtv.html
Earl Raab:
"The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country. We have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible – and makes our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever. (Earl Raab, Jewish Bulletin, 19 February 1993, p. 23.)
Like I said above, I wouldn't want to take their word on such a reference. But at least this is something which people can attempt to track down. This link that follows does not give any date, but claims that it was in "the San Francisco Jewish Bulletin."
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=3815
Again, this is not a source which you'd want to depend on. But perhaps someone can follow this up by seeking out copies of a Jewish Bulletin published out of San Francisco and attempt to either confirm or refute the quote by checking issues from the date of February 19, 1993. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.25 ( talk) 23:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
No records matched your search: (au: Israel and au: Cohen) and ((ti: "A" and ti: Racial and ti: Program and ti: Twentieth and ti: Century))
Speaks for itself, I think. — Charles P. (Mirv) 19:20, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
WorldCat Advanced Search No records matched your search: (au: Israel and au: Cohen) and kw: Racial Enter search terms in one or more boxes and click on Search.
Just repeated the search. If WorldCAT can't find the book, I very much doubt it exists. I'm changing the wording accordingly. -- Xiaphias 13:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay. This article uses the word "alleged" far too many times. While it may seem on the surface to be a good weasely way of pretending to show neutrality, the article's refusal to admit that this book is a fake, its contents pure anti-Semitic lies and drivel, reveals its bias. Putting forth this kind of stuff and then saying that it is "alleged by Jewish groups to be an anti-Semitic forgery" is like saying that some people allege that slavery was bad, or that some people allege that the Nanking Massacre happened.
In the use of words like "allege" and "claim", there is a difference between being neutral, and using these words to discount a given view, thus purporting a biased opinion. Please edit this to make it truly neutral, and to describe the book, its origins and contents objectively and truthfully. LordAmeth 09:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Just because some Jew alleges that a book is a "forgery" doesn't make it so. For instance, no one possesses a physical copy of Phytheas' "On the Ocean", but yet we know it once existed. Myron_C._Fagan alleges to have known Mr Cohen and talked with him about this book at a banquet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.10.35.153 ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 25 March 2007.
Catguy00 ( talk) 23:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)==Invalid Source==
Here is the link in question - http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn04 23:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Catguy00 ( talk)
The claim that Israel Cohen did not exist may be inaccurate. See these links:
http://judaica.library.usyd.edu.au/histories/Marks.html
A bit more searching shows that an Israel Cohen who lived at about the right time is referred to on another Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Massel.
The article quotes a claim by "Rep. Abraham J. Multer" of "the nonexistence of a British Communist author named Israel Cohen." Does this mean that Israel Cohen did not exist, or that he did exist but was not a "British Communist author"? Judging by the comments on this page, it seems that the intended meaning is that Israel Cohen did not exist. However, it seems clear to me from the New York Times link that he did exist and I would suggest amending the article to make clear that Multer was mistaken to suggest otherwise.
--- He is also listed at Oxford University's Dictionary of National Biography.
Oxford Biography Index entry Israel Cohen
Cohen, Israel (1879–1961), Zionist and author
Oxford Biography Index Number 101057107
http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101057107
Primary authority: Oxford DNB
Also, a simple search on Amazon for "Israel Cohen" returns several books about Zionism.
---
CharlesP is smart. He bases his ideas on logic and empiricism. You all would do well to apply the same standard. Let me spell it out for those who can't wrap their heads around it though: If you can't find a 1912 book on worldcat, it's because it doesn't, and didn't, exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.173.100.24 ( talk) 21:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps someone should have caught this before, but there is no Thomas Abernathy from Miss. listed in the bio dictionary of congress. Sure it wasn't Rankin?-- Dudeman5685 ( talk) 17:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
"Dudeman5685" needs to do a little more research. Thomas G. Abernethy represented Mississippi in the U.S. House of Representatives between 1943 and 1973. Source: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/general_library/archives/finding_aids/MUM00001.html
68.45.235.12 ( talk) 05:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
"A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century is an antisemitic hoax promoted by Eustace Mullins" ~ Wikipedia
How stupid do you think we are??? Eustace Mullins wasn't even born in 1912, according to WIKIPEDIA Eustace Mullins was born in 1923!!! And you wonder why nobody donates to your pathetic pack of Lies??? Wikipedia has ZERO credibility!!! I wonder how much you payed Google to have Wikipedia results appear as the FIRST result??? Shameless Liars spreading PROPAGANDA!!! Read your Bible, see what happens to LIARS!!! "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8
I think what is being indicated here is that Mullins wrote the paragraph in the 1950s and backdated it to 1912. This has happened before with other hoax documents, like the famous Donation of Constantine.-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 05:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Should this be merged into Mullins' article? b uidh e 08:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I notice this is in the “far right publications” category - this doesn’t quite seem to fit alongside other publications where writers publish far-right polemics, but that may be more of a question with respect to the category than with respect to this page Bluetik ( talk) 14:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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The correct title for this "faux" book is: A Racial Programme for the Twentieth Century
Since this keeps coming up:
Whether this means A: that such a work does not exist or B: that the Elders of Zion are scrupulous about covering their tracks, you may decide. — Charles P._ (Mirv) 22:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I know the book exists, I hold a copy of the original works in my very hands. I also know of several other books published by Mr. Cohen during his time in England.
Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past. Stop distorting history for your own benifit.
This is why a man like Professor Earl Raab of Brandeis University's Institute for Jewish Advocacy can write with such utter confidence that:
Further Proof:
Israel Cohen, A Short History of Zionism (Muller, 1951)
http://www.art.man.ac.uk/RELTHEOL/JEWISH/EXHIBITION/ARCHIVE.HTML
[ The University of Manchester took this link down, but you can find the book posted at the following location: http://www.archive.org/details/shorthistoryofzi009976mbp ]
(By the bye, and not really related to this article, there was some technical weirdness going on with this talk page due to a bug that causes multiple creations of the same page. 210.54.59.106's initial post (everything above "Further Proof") didn't show up in the history thanks to the bug. At first I wasn't able to restore it by the usual technical means, but it all seems to have sorted itself out now. If the edit history for this page has any unexplained strangeness, that's why.) — Charles P. (Mirv) 08:34, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Although I wouldn't want to place many bets on the reliability of this link, but it does claim to give a reference which perhaps someone can try tracking down at a library and either confirming or discrediting:
http://www.heretical.org/miscella/fredtv.html
Earl Raab:
"The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country. We have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible – and makes our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever. (Earl Raab, Jewish Bulletin, 19 February 1993, p. 23.)
Like I said above, I wouldn't want to take their word on such a reference. But at least this is something which people can attempt to track down. This link that follows does not give any date, but claims that it was in "the San Francisco Jewish Bulletin."
http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=3815
Again, this is not a source which you'd want to depend on. But perhaps someone can follow this up by seeking out copies of a Jewish Bulletin published out of San Francisco and attempt to either confirm or refute the quote by checking issues from the date of February 19, 1993. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.25 ( talk) 23:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
No records matched your search: (au: Israel and au: Cohen) and ((ti: "A" and ti: Racial and ti: Program and ti: Twentieth and ti: Century))
Speaks for itself, I think. — Charles P. (Mirv) 19:20, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
WorldCat Advanced Search No records matched your search: (au: Israel and au: Cohen) and kw: Racial Enter search terms in one or more boxes and click on Search.
Just repeated the search. If WorldCAT can't find the book, I very much doubt it exists. I'm changing the wording accordingly. -- Xiaphias 13:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay. This article uses the word "alleged" far too many times. While it may seem on the surface to be a good weasely way of pretending to show neutrality, the article's refusal to admit that this book is a fake, its contents pure anti-Semitic lies and drivel, reveals its bias. Putting forth this kind of stuff and then saying that it is "alleged by Jewish groups to be an anti-Semitic forgery" is like saying that some people allege that slavery was bad, or that some people allege that the Nanking Massacre happened.
In the use of words like "allege" and "claim", there is a difference between being neutral, and using these words to discount a given view, thus purporting a biased opinion. Please edit this to make it truly neutral, and to describe the book, its origins and contents objectively and truthfully. LordAmeth 09:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Just because some Jew alleges that a book is a "forgery" doesn't make it so. For instance, no one possesses a physical copy of Phytheas' "On the Ocean", but yet we know it once existed. Myron_C._Fagan alleges to have known Mr Cohen and talked with him about this book at a banquet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.10.35.153 ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 25 March 2007.
Catguy00 ( talk) 23:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)==Invalid Source==
Here is the link in question - http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=FinalWarn04 23:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC) Catguy00 ( talk)
The claim that Israel Cohen did not exist may be inaccurate. See these links:
http://judaica.library.usyd.edu.au/histories/Marks.html
A bit more searching shows that an Israel Cohen who lived at about the right time is referred to on another Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Massel.
The article quotes a claim by "Rep. Abraham J. Multer" of "the nonexistence of a British Communist author named Israel Cohen." Does this mean that Israel Cohen did not exist, or that he did exist but was not a "British Communist author"? Judging by the comments on this page, it seems that the intended meaning is that Israel Cohen did not exist. However, it seems clear to me from the New York Times link that he did exist and I would suggest amending the article to make clear that Multer was mistaken to suggest otherwise.
--- He is also listed at Oxford University's Dictionary of National Biography.
Oxford Biography Index entry Israel Cohen
Cohen, Israel (1879–1961), Zionist and author
Oxford Biography Index Number 101057107
http://www.oxforddnb.com/index/101057107
Primary authority: Oxford DNB
Also, a simple search on Amazon for "Israel Cohen" returns several books about Zionism.
---
CharlesP is smart. He bases his ideas on logic and empiricism. You all would do well to apply the same standard. Let me spell it out for those who can't wrap their heads around it though: If you can't find a 1912 book on worldcat, it's because it doesn't, and didn't, exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.173.100.24 ( talk) 21:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps someone should have caught this before, but there is no Thomas Abernathy from Miss. listed in the bio dictionary of congress. Sure it wasn't Rankin?-- Dudeman5685 ( talk) 17:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
"Dudeman5685" needs to do a little more research. Thomas G. Abernethy represented Mississippi in the U.S. House of Representatives between 1943 and 1973. Source: http://www.olemiss.edu/depts/general_library/archives/finding_aids/MUM00001.html
68.45.235.12 ( talk) 05:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
"A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century is an antisemitic hoax promoted by Eustace Mullins" ~ Wikipedia
How stupid do you think we are??? Eustace Mullins wasn't even born in 1912, according to WIKIPEDIA Eustace Mullins was born in 1923!!! And you wonder why nobody donates to your pathetic pack of Lies??? Wikipedia has ZERO credibility!!! I wonder how much you payed Google to have Wikipedia results appear as the FIRST result??? Shameless Liars spreading PROPAGANDA!!! Read your Bible, see what happens to LIARS!!! "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8
I think what is being indicated here is that Mullins wrote the paragraph in the 1950s and backdated it to 1912. This has happened before with other hoax documents, like the famous Donation of Constantine.-- Bellerophon5685 ( talk) 05:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Should this be merged into Mullins' article? b uidh e 08:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I notice this is in the “far right publications” category - this doesn’t quite seem to fit alongside other publications where writers publish far-right polemics, but that may be more of a question with respect to the category than with respect to this page Bluetik ( talk) 14:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)