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Reviewer: Gabriel Yuji ( talk · contribs) 21:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Ow, man, you're waiting for a long time, and sorry for it. Well, the article seems very pretty to me. Some issues to resolve to pass it as GA:
"The song was released in the United States and Puerto Rico"; and you can just remove it in "About the song, López also declared" , "The salsa version of the song was included"
For now, it's what I could find. I hope you can address the issues, then I'll can pass it. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 18:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll check the sources, and soon I'll announce the result. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 00:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
We have Charts in this articles, and why not certifications too if it "receive[d] a Gold certification in Argentina, Mexico, and the United States"? See, for example, Addicted to You (Shakira song)#Charts and certifications. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 00:49, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
We have a problem. The article says: "In early 1999, Son by Four released their first album, Prepárense." However, the source states "La nueva agrupación debutó en el mundo discográfico con el álbum “Prepárense” de 1998." Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 00:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, I don't know if it can hep but here, in Brazil, a band called KLB covered this song calling it "A Dor Desse Amor", and it became a hit. Sources: "'A Dor Desse Amor', versão de Piska para "A Puro Dolor", do quarteto Son By Four, que deu origem ao primeiro single do grupo a ser tocado nas rádios do país.", O grupo KLB, que fez sucesso no começo da década de 2000 com o hit 'A Dor Desse Amor', está trabalhando em um novo disco. Maybe you can fit it "Other recordings"... or no... Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 01:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
It's said "At the Lo Nuestro Awards of 2001, the group also became the biggest winner with six awards including "Pop Song of the Year" and "Tropical Song of the Year"; the first source covers "the group also became the biggest winner with six awards", but the second source (or at least I couldn't find) doesn't support the "Tropical Song of the Year". In "Pop" I could find it "Cancion: A Puro Dolor - Son by Four", but when I click in Tropical I can find anything related to Son by Four. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 01:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering since "Awards" and "Chart performance" are small sections if you be better to make them subsections of "Release and reception"; something similar to Entren Los Que Quieran#Reception. What do you think? Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
"Alfano also received a Latin Grammy Award nomination for the Best Tropical Song, which it lost to "El Niágara en Bicicleta" by Juan Luis Guerra." This isn't supported by the given source. (With the help of "Ctrl + F") I could only find "grammy" in the sentence "En la primera edición de los Grammy Latinos, Son by Four protagonizó...". No mention. The sentence "En la ceremonia los talentosos jóvenes estuvieron nominados en dos categorías “Mejor Disco de Salsa” y “Mejor Canción Tropical”." is vague and don't support the statement. It isn't said Alfano was nominated, but "los talentosos jóvenes", and "El Niágara en Bicicleta" and Juan Luis Guerra are never mentioned in the article. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I replaced it with two separate sources with contains a full of list of nominations and another with all the winners
"The ballad version was filmed in 2000, and was directed by Felipe Niño". Again the source doesn't support all statements. The year is not given in the source that only says "El vídeo fue dirigido por Felipe Niño." Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I only included the director
The source number 15 is dead. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Removed since AllMusic has the chart positions as well anyway
"and ranked 61 at the Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles of 2000." is not covered by the given source. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 04:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
reused a ref Erick ( talk) 04:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
The gold certification in Mexico needs a better source; I don't think a Facebook group is a reliable source... and I even couldn't find Son by Four among the certificate albums. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 04:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
""A Puro Dolor" ranked 1st at the Hot Latin Songs 25th Anniversary chart." is covered by this source. I went to the page three where I imagined the first-placed song would be there but I can see nothing there. I can see the first page started with "Fotos Y Recuerdos", the second with "De Mi Enamorate", but the third it's empty. Is the page working for you or there is a problem there? Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 05:16, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Now the article is in a very fine shape, and is very close from reaching GA status. But with a more deeper looking to the article, I can see one last issue: the lead. Despite of "'A Puro Dolor' is a song recorded by Puerto Rican band Son by Four. It was written by Omar Alfanno and released as the first single of the second studio album of the band in 2000." the rest of the lead only summarize the "Critical reception" section. It is not an accessible overview right now. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Great work! Now we have a great article for a great (and beautiful but sad) song! Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 02:40, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I've been through "that" recently, and I started listening to this song frequently... I've even listen to KLB version (though from my home country, I don't like they)... and I just noticed their version has a music video. I'm note sure it's worth to mention so I came here to discuss. Probably, it's... I don't know if it's a good parameter to use, but KLB official video has over 6,5 million views, andsearching for "Dinora y la Juventud A Puro Dolor" I could only find videos with poor viewership. I became very surprise when I found out that KLB's version has more viewers than Son by Four version in VEVO (even if you add up the total of original and American version)... "A Puro Dolor" most viewed video I could find has 6,568,867 just a few more than the KLB's 6,517,661... What do you think? Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 04:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
95.116.131.71 ( talk) 17:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC) There is another cover version of this song existing. Please check out "The Purest of Pain" by Cali Aleman & The Original Latin All Stars from the year 2001. It was a chart hit throughout Germany and gained some recognition. [1]
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Reviewer: Gabriel Yuji ( talk · contribs) 21:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Ow, man, you're waiting for a long time, and sorry for it. Well, the article seems very pretty to me. Some issues to resolve to pass it as GA:
"The song was released in the United States and Puerto Rico"; and you can just remove it in "About the song, López also declared" , "The salsa version of the song was included"
For now, it's what I could find. I hope you can address the issues, then I'll can pass it. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 18:04, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll check the sources, and soon I'll announce the result. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 00:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
We have Charts in this articles, and why not certifications too if it "receive[d] a Gold certification in Argentina, Mexico, and the United States"? See, for example, Addicted to You (Shakira song)#Charts and certifications. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 00:49, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
We have a problem. The article says: "In early 1999, Son by Four released their first album, Prepárense." However, the source states "La nueva agrupación debutó en el mundo discográfico con el álbum “Prepárense” de 1998." Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 00:56, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, I don't know if it can hep but here, in Brazil, a band called KLB covered this song calling it "A Dor Desse Amor", and it became a hit. Sources: "'A Dor Desse Amor', versão de Piska para "A Puro Dolor", do quarteto Son By Four, que deu origem ao primeiro single do grupo a ser tocado nas rádios do país.", O grupo KLB, que fez sucesso no começo da década de 2000 com o hit 'A Dor Desse Amor', está trabalhando em um novo disco. Maybe you can fit it "Other recordings"... or no... Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 01:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
It's said "At the Lo Nuestro Awards of 2001, the group also became the biggest winner with six awards including "Pop Song of the Year" and "Tropical Song of the Year"; the first source covers "the group also became the biggest winner with six awards", but the second source (or at least I couldn't find) doesn't support the "Tropical Song of the Year". In "Pop" I could find it "Cancion: A Puro Dolor - Son by Four", but when I click in Tropical I can find anything related to Son by Four. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 01:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering since "Awards" and "Chart performance" are small sections if you be better to make them subsections of "Release and reception"; something similar to Entren Los Que Quieran#Reception. What do you think? Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
"Alfano also received a Latin Grammy Award nomination for the Best Tropical Song, which it lost to "El Niágara en Bicicleta" by Juan Luis Guerra." This isn't supported by the given source. (With the help of "Ctrl + F") I could only find "grammy" in the sentence "En la primera edición de los Grammy Latinos, Son by Four protagonizó...". No mention. The sentence "En la ceremonia los talentosos jóvenes estuvieron nominados en dos categorías “Mejor Disco de Salsa” y “Mejor Canción Tropical”." is vague and don't support the statement. It isn't said Alfano was nominated, but "los talentosos jóvenes", and "El Niágara en Bicicleta" and Juan Luis Guerra are never mentioned in the article. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I replaced it with two separate sources with contains a full of list of nominations and another with all the winners
"The ballad version was filmed in 2000, and was directed by Felipe Niño". Again the source doesn't support all statements. The year is not given in the source that only says "El vídeo fue dirigido por Felipe Niño." Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I only included the director
The source number 15 is dead. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Removed since AllMusic has the chart positions as well anyway
"and ranked 61 at the Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles of 2000." is not covered by the given source. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 04:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
reused a ref Erick ( talk) 04:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
The gold certification in Mexico needs a better source; I don't think a Facebook group is a reliable source... and I even couldn't find Son by Four among the certificate albums. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 04:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
""A Puro Dolor" ranked 1st at the Hot Latin Songs 25th Anniversary chart." is covered by this source. I went to the page three where I imagined the first-placed song would be there but I can see nothing there. I can see the first page started with "Fotos Y Recuerdos", the second with "De Mi Enamorate", but the third it's empty. Is the page working for you or there is a problem there? Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 05:16, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Now the article is in a very fine shape, and is very close from reaching GA status. But with a more deeper looking to the article, I can see one last issue: the lead. Despite of "'A Puro Dolor' is a song recorded by Puerto Rican band Son by Four. It was written by Omar Alfanno and released as the first single of the second studio album of the band in 2000." the rest of the lead only summarize the "Critical reception" section. It is not an accessible overview right now. Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 03:38, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Great work! Now we have a great article for a great (and beautiful but sad) song! Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 02:40, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I've been through "that" recently, and I started listening to this song frequently... I've even listen to KLB version (though from my home country, I don't like they)... and I just noticed their version has a music video. I'm note sure it's worth to mention so I came here to discuss. Probably, it's... I don't know if it's a good parameter to use, but KLB official video has over 6,5 million views, andsearching for "Dinora y la Juventud A Puro Dolor" I could only find videos with poor viewership. I became very surprise when I found out that KLB's version has more viewers than Son by Four version in VEVO (even if you add up the total of original and American version)... "A Puro Dolor" most viewed video I could find has 6,568,867 just a few more than the KLB's 6,517,661... What do you think? Gabriel Yuji ( talk) 04:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
95.116.131.71 ( talk) 17:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC) There is another cover version of this song existing. Please check out "The Purest of Pain" by Cali Aleman & The Original Latin All Stars from the year 2001. It was a chart hit throughout Germany and gained some recognition. [1]
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