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I've changed 'Fatherland' to 'Motherland', which is the correct translation. Fatherland in Russian is 'otechestvo', whereas 'rodina' is motherland. Shotlandiya 15:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
This article should include the Russian name, and the best possible translation of the name, as well... Russian experts needed! — Nightst a llion (?) 20:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
As a Russian speaker I would have said "Just Russia" would be more accurate than "Fair Russia" but can see the confusion, but I'm not particularly minded to start an edit war as I think the explanation above does it justice. Shotlandiya 12:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I vote to change the name to "Just Russia". "Fair" and "Just" are not equivalent, and the latter describes the intended meaning much more effectively.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.53.239 ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Gryzlov is the current leader of United Russia, not an ex-leader. Netrat_msk ( talk) 16:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The party website's 'International' section translates the name as A Just Russia. This translation is also used on Socialist International's website. It might be wise to use that translation of the party in Wikipedia too, if nobody objects. -- Autospark ( talk) 01:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Accusation to this parties in nationalism breach Wikipedia:NPOV. In program of this parties speaks of inverse http://www.spravedlivo.ru/information/section_11 . Gnomsovet ( talk) 19:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
http://thetroublewithcentrism.blogspot.com/2008/01/left-centrism-britains-once-big-three.html 95.52.118.189 ( talk) 06:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The party's nationalist ideology and connexions are often referred to in the media: [1], [2]. It is still very far away from EU style centre-left parties.
Наибольшее внимание в этом плане привлекли «Справедливая» и «Единая Россия» как партии правящего бюрократического слоя. Первая на протяжении всего года оказывалась втянутой в скандалы, связанные с привлечением в партию ксенофобов разной степени известности. Особенно показателен случай с красноярским антисемитом Олегом Пащенко. Скандал разразился еще весной 2007 года, когда Пащенко стал кандидатом в депутаты Законодательного собрания Краснодарского края (объединенного к тому моменту с несколькими автономными округами в один субъект федерации). В феврале лидер «справедливороссов» Сергей Миронов лично обещал выгнать Пащенко из партии, однако это заявление не помешало Пащенко не только стать депутатом краевого Заксобрания, но и несколько месяцев спустя попасть в список кандидатов в депутаты уже федеральных выборов. Впрочем, и помимо Пащенко, у партии неоднократно возникали различного рода «националистические» неприятности. В частности, осенью произошла довольно странная история, связанная с преследованием члена партии, кандидата в Госдуму мэра Ставрополя Александра Кузьмина. Во время обыска в его рабочем кабинете, проведенного в рамках дела о злоупотреблениях служебными полномочиями, была найдена нацистская символика. О взглядах Кузьмина сложно сказать что-то определенное, хотя, безусловно, он пользовался поддержкой националистов (в частности, на региональных выборах в марте его от имени КРО поддержал Дмитрий Рогозин). Не вызывает сомнения, что преследование Кузьмина спровоцировано жесткой конфронтацией с краевой администрацией и конкуренцией с «Единой Россией». Но трудно представить, что нацистская атрибутика была мэру подброшена, хотя и понять, зачем она хранилась в служебном кабинете, совершенно невозможно. Впрочем, из десятка кандидатов-националистов, включенных в список «Справедливой России», по результатам выборов в Государственную Думу прошел лишь один — подписант «письма пятисот» Анатолий Грешневников.
-- Miacek (t) 20:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Why do we have a criticism section here, but not in the articles of any Western political party? Double standards? Offliner ( talk) 23:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
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Do we know for sure that the new party name is A Just Russia - Patriots - For Truth? It's just I have been reading a few sources that say it's just A Just Russia - For Truth. Caretaker John ( talk) 13:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
@ My very best wishes: I noticed conflicting information in the establishment section. Earlier it says "Surkov openly initiated the project to create A Just Russia" and then quotes him (although this quote does not seem to refer to this party in particular) while at the end of the section, it states "Vladislav Surkov, the leading force behind United Russia opposed the creation of the new party". Mellk ( talk) 20:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
What does this even mean? consider the follwing quote:
A Just Russia — For Truth[a] (SRZP;[18][19] Russian: Справедливая Россия — За правду; СРЗП, romanized: Spravedlivaya Rossiya — Za pravdu; SRZP),[20][21][22] formerly A Just Russia (SR), is a social-democratic[3][13][23] political party in Russia. The party, part of the "systemic opposition", is considered to be pro-Kremlin.[24][25]
Now, if I change a few words around, it could read like this:
The US Green Party — is a social-democratic[3][13][23] political party in the United States. The party, part of the "systemic opposition" within the two party system, is considered to be pro-Washington.[24][25]
Obviously, it would read and look really silly. So why then does every Russian political party article have this vaguely defined term, "Pro-Kremlin" in the lede of their articles? What does that even mean? Are they pro-Putin? Pro-Russian establishment? Pro-Russian government? Russian patriots?
What does this even mean?
PeaceThruPramana26 (
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But the sources (or one of them anyway, since the other source doesn't even mention this political party at all) don't say this. They leave it vaguely undefined.
With the party displaying Z and V banners around cities in relation to the "special operation" and long declaring their absolute support for Putin, it is quite self-explanatory, no?
No, I'd disagree with this interpretation. I reiterate my initial statement: Would one consider the Democratic Party to be a 'Pro-Bush' party since the senate delegation went [ in favour] of the Iraq War and impugned the character and patriotism of those who questioned their vote? I can't help but feel these purposefully vague, undefined terms (which btw, I can't say that you properly defined it since you used no sources or referred to no Wikipedia policy) are used to create insinuations in articles where they can't do so because the evidence doesn't support it: Can't actually find any evidence to suggest that the party supports Putin? Just slander them as 'pro-Kremlin' in a vaguely undefined way (even the Russian media does this! So it's not merely an 'East vs West' question but a genuine, sincere inquiry that I am trying to find an answer to). PeaceThruPramana26 ( talk) 21:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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I've changed 'Fatherland' to 'Motherland', which is the correct translation. Fatherland in Russian is 'otechestvo', whereas 'rodina' is motherland. Shotlandiya 15:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
This article should include the Russian name, and the best possible translation of the name, as well... Russian experts needed! — Nightst a llion (?) 20:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
As a Russian speaker I would have said "Just Russia" would be more accurate than "Fair Russia" but can see the confusion, but I'm not particularly minded to start an edit war as I think the explanation above does it justice. Shotlandiya 12:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I vote to change the name to "Just Russia". "Fair" and "Just" are not equivalent, and the latter describes the intended meaning much more effectively.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.53.239 ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Gryzlov is the current leader of United Russia, not an ex-leader. Netrat_msk ( talk) 16:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The party website's 'International' section translates the name as A Just Russia. This translation is also used on Socialist International's website. It might be wise to use that translation of the party in Wikipedia too, if nobody objects. -- Autospark ( talk) 01:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Accusation to this parties in nationalism breach Wikipedia:NPOV. In program of this parties speaks of inverse http://www.spravedlivo.ru/information/section_11 . Gnomsovet ( talk) 19:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
http://thetroublewithcentrism.blogspot.com/2008/01/left-centrism-britains-once-big-three.html 95.52.118.189 ( talk) 06:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The party's nationalist ideology and connexions are often referred to in the media: [1], [2]. It is still very far away from EU style centre-left parties.
Наибольшее внимание в этом плане привлекли «Справедливая» и «Единая Россия» как партии правящего бюрократического слоя. Первая на протяжении всего года оказывалась втянутой в скандалы, связанные с привлечением в партию ксенофобов разной степени известности. Особенно показателен случай с красноярским антисемитом Олегом Пащенко. Скандал разразился еще весной 2007 года, когда Пащенко стал кандидатом в депутаты Законодательного собрания Краснодарского края (объединенного к тому моменту с несколькими автономными округами в один субъект федерации). В феврале лидер «справедливороссов» Сергей Миронов лично обещал выгнать Пащенко из партии, однако это заявление не помешало Пащенко не только стать депутатом краевого Заксобрания, но и несколько месяцев спустя попасть в список кандидатов в депутаты уже федеральных выборов. Впрочем, и помимо Пащенко, у партии неоднократно возникали различного рода «националистические» неприятности. В частности, осенью произошла довольно странная история, связанная с преследованием члена партии, кандидата в Госдуму мэра Ставрополя Александра Кузьмина. Во время обыска в его рабочем кабинете, проведенного в рамках дела о злоупотреблениях служебными полномочиями, была найдена нацистская символика. О взглядах Кузьмина сложно сказать что-то определенное, хотя, безусловно, он пользовался поддержкой националистов (в частности, на региональных выборах в марте его от имени КРО поддержал Дмитрий Рогозин). Не вызывает сомнения, что преследование Кузьмина спровоцировано жесткой конфронтацией с краевой администрацией и конкуренцией с «Единой Россией». Но трудно представить, что нацистская атрибутика была мэру подброшена, хотя и понять, зачем она хранилась в служебном кабинете, совершенно невозможно. Впрочем, из десятка кандидатов-националистов, включенных в список «Справедливой России», по результатам выборов в Государственную Думу прошел лишь один — подписант «письма пятисот» Анатолий Грешневников.
-- Miacek (t) 20:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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Do we know for sure that the new party name is A Just Russia - Patriots - For Truth? It's just I have been reading a few sources that say it's just A Just Russia - For Truth. Caretaker John ( talk) 13:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
@ My very best wishes: I noticed conflicting information in the establishment section. Earlier it says "Surkov openly initiated the project to create A Just Russia" and then quotes him (although this quote does not seem to refer to this party in particular) while at the end of the section, it states "Vladislav Surkov, the leading force behind United Russia opposed the creation of the new party". Mellk ( talk) 20:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
What does this even mean? consider the follwing quote:
A Just Russia — For Truth[a] (SRZP;[18][19] Russian: Справедливая Россия — За правду; СРЗП, romanized: Spravedlivaya Rossiya — Za pravdu; SRZP),[20][21][22] formerly A Just Russia (SR), is a social-democratic[3][13][23] political party in Russia. The party, part of the "systemic opposition", is considered to be pro-Kremlin.[24][25]
Now, if I change a few words around, it could read like this:
The US Green Party — is a social-democratic[3][13][23] political party in the United States. The party, part of the "systemic opposition" within the two party system, is considered to be pro-Washington.[24][25]
Obviously, it would read and look really silly. So why then does every Russian political party article have this vaguely defined term, "Pro-Kremlin" in the lede of their articles? What does that even mean? Are they pro-Putin? Pro-Russian establishment? Pro-Russian government? Russian patriots?
What does this even mean?
PeaceThruPramana26 (
talk) 02:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
But the sources (or one of them anyway, since the other source doesn't even mention this political party at all) don't say this. They leave it vaguely undefined.
With the party displaying Z and V banners around cities in relation to the "special operation" and long declaring their absolute support for Putin, it is quite self-explanatory, no?
No, I'd disagree with this interpretation. I reiterate my initial statement: Would one consider the Democratic Party to be a 'Pro-Bush' party since the senate delegation went [ in favour] of the Iraq War and impugned the character and patriotism of those who questioned their vote? I can't help but feel these purposefully vague, undefined terms (which btw, I can't say that you properly defined it since you used no sources or referred to no Wikipedia policy) are used to create insinuations in articles where they can't do so because the evidence doesn't support it: Can't actually find any evidence to suggest that the party supports Putin? Just slander them as 'pro-Kremlin' in a vaguely undefined way (even the Russian media does this! So it's not merely an 'East vs West' question but a genuine, sincere inquiry that I am trying to find an answer to). PeaceThruPramana26 ( talk) 21:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)