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This article should perhaps somehow mention the ability of many old-school printers to form diacritics etc. using backspace. Since ascii does not have characters like "é". E.g.:
é = e backspace '
e = e backspace e
e = e backspace _
212.178.135.35 ( talk) 11:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
I made some bold removals as uncited opinion such as:
Most modern character-encoding schemesWhen was this written? Unicode is the only modern encoding system in use today;
ASCII has practically speaking been replaced (because of limited language support), e.g. with extended ASCII encodings, and most recently by Unicode (which supports all languages); its ASCII-compatible UTF-8 encoding (which is dominant on the web). ASCII only supports English (and few minority lanuages) and doesn't handle e.g. many loan words or given names of all American people.because
Despite being an American standard, ASCII, unlike e.g. modern UTF-8 or other extended ASCII supersets, doesn't support symbols such as the cent, ¢ (or €, ©), though it does support the dollar, $..
Obviously WP:BRD applies but anyone reverting needs to reinstate the CS1/2 fixes I applied.
An observation: the lead should summarise the body but looks to me to be thin on the technical content? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 17:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
The word resume seems to be a poor choice as an example of the need for diacritics
https://novoresume.com/career-blog/how-to-spell-resume DGerman ( talk) 20:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
As best as I can tell, any statements about what was IN this never-published standard have come from the IBM manuals ... "used by IBM 2260 & 2265 Display Stations and IBM 2848 Display Control". From what I've read, though, those manuals do not actually claim to be following an unpublished standard, but merely refer to ASCII and go into how their use differs from the '63 standard.
That is, the table's claim that certain characters moved and then moved back are quite suspect. Did I miss a reference here, one that doesn't in-turn point back to this article (the dreaded circular fact-check that is quite the plague). I've read everything I can, but I just can't find the actual data to support these claims.
I guess what I'm saying is - it is notable and given the platform - quite useful to know that IBM deviated from the standard and how, but it does not seem worthy of claiming it is from an "approved but never published standard" without putting in a BIG caveat, you know, that cool NEEDS A REFERENCE edit-mark.
It's heartbreaking because the '67 standard makes it PAINFULLY clear that a '65 standard DID EXIST, but ... that is just lost to history I guess. I was hoping the NYPL business library archive might have something on this, but it seems that ANSI never left anything with the library (Yes, I asked). [ four paragraphs, single comment, sorry for the length ] Vollink ( talk) 21:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not confident about this, but wasn't Old Latin written with a subset of the alphabet without diacritics? As opposed to Archaic or Classical Latin. DAVilla ( talk) 02:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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This article should perhaps somehow mention the ability of many old-school printers to form diacritics etc. using backspace. Since ascii does not have characters like "é". E.g.:
é = e backspace '
e = e backspace e
e = e backspace _
212.178.135.35 ( talk) 11:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
I made some bold removals as uncited opinion such as:
Most modern character-encoding schemesWhen was this written? Unicode is the only modern encoding system in use today;
ASCII has practically speaking been replaced (because of limited language support), e.g. with extended ASCII encodings, and most recently by Unicode (which supports all languages); its ASCII-compatible UTF-8 encoding (which is dominant on the web). ASCII only supports English (and few minority lanuages) and doesn't handle e.g. many loan words or given names of all American people.because
Despite being an American standard, ASCII, unlike e.g. modern UTF-8 or other extended ASCII supersets, doesn't support symbols such as the cent, ¢ (or €, ©), though it does support the dollar, $..
Obviously WP:BRD applies but anyone reverting needs to reinstate the CS1/2 fixes I applied.
An observation: the lead should summarise the body but looks to me to be thin on the technical content? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 17:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
The word resume seems to be a poor choice as an example of the need for diacritics
https://novoresume.com/career-blog/how-to-spell-resume DGerman ( talk) 20:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
As best as I can tell, any statements about what was IN this never-published standard have come from the IBM manuals ... "used by IBM 2260 & 2265 Display Stations and IBM 2848 Display Control". From what I've read, though, those manuals do not actually claim to be following an unpublished standard, but merely refer to ASCII and go into how their use differs from the '63 standard.
That is, the table's claim that certain characters moved and then moved back are quite suspect. Did I miss a reference here, one that doesn't in-turn point back to this article (the dreaded circular fact-check that is quite the plague). I've read everything I can, but I just can't find the actual data to support these claims.
I guess what I'm saying is - it is notable and given the platform - quite useful to know that IBM deviated from the standard and how, but it does not seem worthy of claiming it is from an "approved but never published standard" without putting in a BIG caveat, you know, that cool NEEDS A REFERENCE edit-mark.
It's heartbreaking because the '67 standard makes it PAINFULLY clear that a '65 standard DID EXIST, but ... that is just lost to history I guess. I was hoping the NYPL business library archive might have something on this, but it seems that ANSI never left anything with the library (Yes, I asked). [ four paragraphs, single comment, sorry for the length ] Vollink ( talk) 21:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not confident about this, but wasn't Old Latin written with a subset of the alphabet without diacritics? As opposed to Archaic or Classical Latin. DAVilla ( talk) 02:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)