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I know nothing about AFL but I just saw Dame Edna on TV and they showed a clip of her singing. Maybe there should be a list of people who have sung at the game.-- Gbleem 05:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
How can the AFL Grand Final be watched by more people than watch the Melbourne Cup? AFL isn't even that popular in NSW or Queensland. The reference [1] leads to an empty article from a Victorian newspaper. As such it should be viewd as an unreliable fact. 144.140.22.4 09:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The AFL is the most watched and supported ($) game in the world per population. Given that 1/3rd of Australia do not follow the game (due to the fact they feel playing another countries game is more important as it instantly becomes international) this is a phenomenal sport. Aussie Rules is developed from the Irish (1800's convict) game of Gaelic football combined with the indigenous aboriginal game of Mangrook. It is a high speed game which encompasses a greater variety of skill then any other game in the world. Whilst Soccer still represents the height of singular skill AFL proves to be the height of athletic diversity. The AFL's 700 strong playing list can kick, handpass and bounce an oval shaped ball with both sides of their body. Combined with this is the ability to cover over 20km (12 miles plus) during a game. Another skill is the athletic marking (completion) from kicks, often over 50m, by leaping over each others bodies to catch (referred to as a mark). Aussie Rules ia a true (the only true) 360 degree sport, there is no off-side. But you can also get bumped (Charged into by another player because you are near the ball, whether you have the ball or not) or tackled from any direction. It is a uniquely powerful sport that is now played competitively in over 30 countries in the world.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.110.94.65 ( talk) 13:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I think there should be some mention of the premiership flag - after all that is what the premiers really win, and it has huge symbolic importance. I also believe that the premiership cup is a much more recent invention. Any opinions? Albreda 10:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree. We are playing for the 'flag'. It's a bit like the 'pennant' (winner of the American League or National League) in Major League Baseball. 124.188.147.119 08:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC) soxdownunder
I think that the crowd for the 2006 final was not impeded by the mcg redevolpment. (as stated in the recent history section) Any comfirmations? Johnwrw 08:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
What I am saying is that the asterix next to the figure should be removed> Johnwrw 08:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the reference to the Brisbane Lions being the first club to win 3 Premierships in a row. Collingwood won 4, Carlton and Melbourne (twice) also won 3 Grand Finals on the trot. See here. ComaDivine 21:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
This table needs to be cleaned up to either add the nicknames after the teams that dont have them or remove them from the teams that do. Lynx Raven Raide 01:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The entire decade of the 1980s is skipped omitted for no obvious reason. Given the great grand finals include the 83/84/85 Hawthorn/Essendon battles, and the 1989 Geelong/Hawthorn contest, it seems odd to miss the whole decade. Aujoz ( talk) 07:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
What is the provenance of this statement With an official attendance of 97,302 at the 2007 AFL Grand Final,[2] is also the largest domestic club championship event in the world. There have been bigger crowds at Odsal Stadium and Stadium Australia for RL championship matches for starters. Typical kick 'n' Giggle hubristic onanism perhaps? Albatross2147 23:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't have the biggest TV audience either: http://www.thinktv.com.au//Media/Stats_&_Graphs/Top_Programs/Top_50_Programs_2007.pdf or seemingly the best attended sporting event http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/18/1981332.htm
RL Man you are ridiculous. The AFL only gets bigger crowds cos the MCG is bigger...why do you think it is bigger fuckhead, bums on seats paid for it. and the RL games you talked about are still less than than the 121 696 at pies vs blues in 1970. It's still irrelevant as any sport in the world could sell half a million tickets for the GF, from footy to hurling. The important factor is weekly, game after game attendance. 2009 saw the AFL rank third in the world for per game attendance after the American NFL and the German Priemer League, and in front of the English Priemer League, RL of any form not in top ten. Then if considered per population AFL is a mile in front of any sport. Wake up dickhead, you have no arguement....
P.S. keep playing with the dictionary, big words can easily disguise a poor arguement...
Does it count as a meeting, like if the drawn game was a meeting, does the replayed game count as the same meeting? I don't think it does but I wanted another opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.12.139.111 ( talk) 07:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
What time does it start? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.180.86 ( talk) 01:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no pic of the trophy! Like the ICC World Cup page. 116.240.160.200 ( talk) 14:35, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I assume most people who access this page just want to see who won a grand final on a particular year. There are lists of attendance for every year, norm smith medalists for every year. Even entertainers for every year. I would have though the first thing to be added would be list which TEAMS played, and which team WON. That is the point of the grand final after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.121.144.94 ( talk) 02:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Call me crazy, call me mad, but I would have thought that in amongst all these lists of who sang at the final and which television networks carried the game somewhere there would have been room for a list of the finalists and scores of each match. If you look closely there is a link at the bottom to the List of Australian Football League premiers - but given that the term "premiers" for a league's final position is largely unknown outside Australia, it won't help the majority of readers. At the very least, the link needs to be in a more prominent position; preferably, however, there needs to be a section in the article actually detailing the winners and finalists! Grutness... wha? 07:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
I just want to put it out there that I think this article is a mess at the moment (May 2012). Personally, I think it should be demoted from B-Class to C-Class until significant improvements can be made. A specific list of problems I have are given below:
I'm going to start working on some of the changes that are needed, but this list is here for anyone else who feels like contributing. Aspirex ( talk) 00:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Most wins is incorrect as it states Carlton alone has the record, the site referenced to "prove" this is factually inaccurate as Essendon is listed as having 14 premierships when it is actually 16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.246.207 ( talk) 13:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The history section of this article still has a very serious structural issue – in that the first few sections talk about the evolution of the match as an occasion and institution (e.g. when the MCG capacity was expanded, when the finals series changed, when it began receiving television coverage); but, the last few sections are doing nothing but restating results in prose. There is a need to keep the whole history section consistent in content, but really after the 1980s there isn't much left to say about the occasion, is there? Aspirex ( talk) 08:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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The location for the AFL Grand Final page says that it was always played at MCG, but on the 2020 & 2021 AFL Grand Final pages says the correct location of the Gabba (2020) and Optus Stadium (2021)??
Agree. There is no explanation as to why ... attempted to but it was removed -- Rulesfan ( talk) 04:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Relisting unlikely to result in a different outcome. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 20:26, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
– The term "grand final" is not a proper name, nor part of a proper name in these; it is not consistently capitalized in sources, any more than quarter-final or semi-final or final. This selection of articles stands for the list of 307 articles at User:Dicklyon/Grand_Finals (selecting just the most recent year of multi-year groups). We can get a bot to move them, assuming we find consensus here, as we've done with other recent sports downcasing RMs, most recently at Talk:1902 VFL grand final. There is still a longer list of "XXX Final" to be done later. Dicklyon ( talk) 22:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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I know nothing about AFL but I just saw Dame Edna on TV and they showed a clip of her singing. Maybe there should be a list of people who have sung at the game.-- Gbleem 05:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
How can the AFL Grand Final be watched by more people than watch the Melbourne Cup? AFL isn't even that popular in NSW or Queensland. The reference [1] leads to an empty article from a Victorian newspaper. As such it should be viewd as an unreliable fact. 144.140.22.4 09:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The AFL is the most watched and supported ($) game in the world per population. Given that 1/3rd of Australia do not follow the game (due to the fact they feel playing another countries game is more important as it instantly becomes international) this is a phenomenal sport. Aussie Rules is developed from the Irish (1800's convict) game of Gaelic football combined with the indigenous aboriginal game of Mangrook. It is a high speed game which encompasses a greater variety of skill then any other game in the world. Whilst Soccer still represents the height of singular skill AFL proves to be the height of athletic diversity. The AFL's 700 strong playing list can kick, handpass and bounce an oval shaped ball with both sides of their body. Combined with this is the ability to cover over 20km (12 miles plus) during a game. Another skill is the athletic marking (completion) from kicks, often over 50m, by leaping over each others bodies to catch (referred to as a mark). Aussie Rules ia a true (the only true) 360 degree sport, there is no off-side. But you can also get bumped (Charged into by another player because you are near the ball, whether you have the ball or not) or tackled from any direction. It is a uniquely powerful sport that is now played competitively in over 30 countries in the world.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.110.94.65 ( talk) 13:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
I think there should be some mention of the premiership flag - after all that is what the premiers really win, and it has huge symbolic importance. I also believe that the premiership cup is a much more recent invention. Any opinions? Albreda 10:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree. We are playing for the 'flag'. It's a bit like the 'pennant' (winner of the American League or National League) in Major League Baseball. 124.188.147.119 08:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC) soxdownunder
I think that the crowd for the 2006 final was not impeded by the mcg redevolpment. (as stated in the recent history section) Any comfirmations? Johnwrw 08:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
What I am saying is that the asterix next to the figure should be removed> Johnwrw 08:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the reference to the Brisbane Lions being the first club to win 3 Premierships in a row. Collingwood won 4, Carlton and Melbourne (twice) also won 3 Grand Finals on the trot. See here. ComaDivine 21:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
This table needs to be cleaned up to either add the nicknames after the teams that dont have them or remove them from the teams that do. Lynx Raven Raide 01:44, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The entire decade of the 1980s is skipped omitted for no obvious reason. Given the great grand finals include the 83/84/85 Hawthorn/Essendon battles, and the 1989 Geelong/Hawthorn contest, it seems odd to miss the whole decade. Aujoz ( talk) 07:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
What is the provenance of this statement With an official attendance of 97,302 at the 2007 AFL Grand Final,[2] is also the largest domestic club championship event in the world. There have been bigger crowds at Odsal Stadium and Stadium Australia for RL championship matches for starters. Typical kick 'n' Giggle hubristic onanism perhaps? Albatross2147 23:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't have the biggest TV audience either: http://www.thinktv.com.au//Media/Stats_&_Graphs/Top_Programs/Top_50_Programs_2007.pdf or seemingly the best attended sporting event http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/18/1981332.htm
RL Man you are ridiculous. The AFL only gets bigger crowds cos the MCG is bigger...why do you think it is bigger fuckhead, bums on seats paid for it. and the RL games you talked about are still less than than the 121 696 at pies vs blues in 1970. It's still irrelevant as any sport in the world could sell half a million tickets for the GF, from footy to hurling. The important factor is weekly, game after game attendance. 2009 saw the AFL rank third in the world for per game attendance after the American NFL and the German Priemer League, and in front of the English Priemer League, RL of any form not in top ten. Then if considered per population AFL is a mile in front of any sport. Wake up dickhead, you have no arguement....
P.S. keep playing with the dictionary, big words can easily disguise a poor arguement...
Does it count as a meeting, like if the drawn game was a meeting, does the replayed game count as the same meeting? I don't think it does but I wanted another opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.12.139.111 ( talk) 07:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
What time does it start? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.180.86 ( talk) 01:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
There is no pic of the trophy! Like the ICC World Cup page. 116.240.160.200 ( talk) 14:35, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I assume most people who access this page just want to see who won a grand final on a particular year. There are lists of attendance for every year, norm smith medalists for every year. Even entertainers for every year. I would have though the first thing to be added would be list which TEAMS played, and which team WON. That is the point of the grand final after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.121.144.94 ( talk) 02:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Call me crazy, call me mad, but I would have thought that in amongst all these lists of who sang at the final and which television networks carried the game somewhere there would have been room for a list of the finalists and scores of each match. If you look closely there is a link at the bottom to the List of Australian Football League premiers - but given that the term "premiers" for a league's final position is largely unknown outside Australia, it won't help the majority of readers. At the very least, the link needs to be in a more prominent position; preferably, however, there needs to be a section in the article actually detailing the winners and finalists! Grutness... wha? 07:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
I just want to put it out there that I think this article is a mess at the moment (May 2012). Personally, I think it should be demoted from B-Class to C-Class until significant improvements can be made. A specific list of problems I have are given below:
I'm going to start working on some of the changes that are needed, but this list is here for anyone else who feels like contributing. Aspirex ( talk) 00:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Most wins is incorrect as it states Carlton alone has the record, the site referenced to "prove" this is factually inaccurate as Essendon is listed as having 14 premierships when it is actually 16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.246.207 ( talk) 13:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The history section of this article still has a very serious structural issue – in that the first few sections talk about the evolution of the match as an occasion and institution (e.g. when the MCG capacity was expanded, when the finals series changed, when it began receiving television coverage); but, the last few sections are doing nothing but restating results in prose. There is a need to keep the whole history section consistent in content, but really after the 1980s there isn't much left to say about the occasion, is there? Aspirex ( talk) 08:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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The location for the AFL Grand Final page says that it was always played at MCG, but on the 2020 & 2021 AFL Grand Final pages says the correct location of the Gabba (2020) and Optus Stadium (2021)??
Agree. There is no explanation as to why ... attempted to but it was removed -- Rulesfan ( talk) 04:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Relisting unlikely to result in a different outcome. ( closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 20:26, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
– The term "grand final" is not a proper name, nor part of a proper name in these; it is not consistently capitalized in sources, any more than quarter-final or semi-final or final. This selection of articles stands for the list of 307 articles at User:Dicklyon/Grand_Finals (selecting just the most recent year of multi-year groups). We can get a bot to move them, assuming we find consensus here, as we've done with other recent sports downcasing RMs, most recently at Talk:1902 VFL grand final. There is still a longer list of "XXX Final" to be done later. Dicklyon ( talk) 22:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Heisenberg's uncertainty principlenot Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Proper nouns have a specific referent but this is not a defining property. Specificity in common name phrases is equally achieved by using the definite article (the) and by other modifying terms. Per the guidance at MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, we only capitalise a name phrase when it is consistently capitalised in sources. The evidence of Aspirex does not support this being capitalised either and searches I conducted confirmed their evidence. Cinderella157 ( talk) 11:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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