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I've closed the poll on the external links. The result was: use the other set of links. So that's exactly what I do. Any attempt to change back to the set of links which didn't make will be considered vandalism and be removed immediately. Oh, and maybe needless to say...but I lifted the protection as well ;). Happy editing, my fellow wikipedians. Those about to rock, we salute you.—?? S??THING (?) 08:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The way this poll was conducted was highly objectionable.I voted on one side and found that I ended up being blocked with the unfair explanation being given that I was a 'sockpuppet'. Not just me, but all those who voted in the same way, ended up being blocked and having their votes removed. This seems to have been a coordinated move on the part of those with more rights than others.Did anyone bother to check whether these voters whose votes were removed were legitimate, by tracing their IPs? I myself have been contributing to the AC/DC page for some months now and it seems to me that all of us who voted against the external links were unfairly lumped into the arbitarily labelled category of 'Sockpuppets' so that there would be only one result to the vote.Furthermore, once all the participants were so labelled and banned from editing, there ceased to be any more debate. This would suit only one objective - a stage managed win for one side. Now, that is vandalism. The Archer 13:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Last night, Helltopay27 added Classic metal to the genre listing. Now, this morning, an unregistered user removed it and I was just about to remove it myself when it was initally added last night, but when I read the classic metal article, it read:
"Classic metal bands are typically characterized by thumping fast basslines, not so fast heavy, but "clean", riffs, extended lead guitar solos, high pitched vocals and anthemic choruses."
Now, in my opinion, this sounds a lot like a typical AC/DC song. However, I'm not an expert in music, so, I would like everyone's opinions on whether you consider AC/DC a classic metal band or not and whether we should include this in the article before I add it back in or not. HK51 08:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I've reincluded the quotes from the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame induction, under that section in the article.I don't see any reason for them to have been removed in the first place. The Archer 14:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC) The references for the above are -
http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/12027761
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/ac-dc/biography.html I would appreciate it if someone would help me reference the quotes from the Hall of Fame induction to these links, on the main page.Thanks! The Archer 19:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I see no problem with including this quote - it's sourced and relevant. Anyone who wants to exclude it should state their reasons here, or leave it in. Unfortunately due to my techno-dunce status, I don't know how to reference it in the article :oI Bretonbanquet 19:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
There you go, referenced everything for you. For future *ahem* reference (pun most definitely intended ;-) ), to reference a quote, just place the link in between two square brackets. i.e. - [www.example.com]. The article's really starting to take shape now I think, nice work everyone. Happy editing guys! :-) HK51 20:04, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! HK 51, though I think that we'll have to wait and see what consensus there is, before that section takes final shape. Regards, The Archer 19:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, well let's see what people say - any other opinions on this one? We can see if there's a concensus either way. And thanks for referencing it by the way, HK51 :o) Bretonbanquet 21:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmmmm, I think Tyler's comments should be left out, there's no real significance to them. But I do think a link should be left to them. Johnson's quote from the award ceremony (the one with the lyrics from Let There Be Rock) should stay. I think they show Johnson's respect for Scott and also I think it's important to include at least part of the acceptance speech, to show how well the award was received by the band. HK51 21:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking something along the lines of:
'During their induction to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in March 2003, AC/DC performed "Highway To Hell" and "You Shook Me All Night Long" with guest vocals by Steven Tyler of Aerosmith, who inducted the band into the hall, calling the band's power chord the ""The thunder from down under that gives you the second most powerful surge that can flow through your body."
The band thanked their fans for their support in an acceptance speech and Brian Johnson quoted the band's 1977 song "Let There Be Rock," written by Bon Scott. "In the beginning, back in 1955, man didn't know about the rock 'n roll show and all that jive. The white man had the schmaltz, the black man had the blues, but no one knew what they was gonna do, but Tchaikovsky had the news, he said, let there be rock" he later said, "Bon Scott wrote that. And it's a real privilege to accept these awards tonight." '
What are everyone else's thoughts on this layout then? HK51 21:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of their relative standing, or whether Steven Tyler was drunk or not, the quote (the whole quote) does put in perspective the impression that AC/DC creates among their fans and peers.A description of AC/DC's history or their success in the music industry, may not convey the effect that their music has had on fans and indeed the reason behind their popularity and success.That quote is actually quite colourful and clever too and it does not slow things down at all.On the contrary, it sounds well crafted and explains why AC/DC is often described as the definitive Hard Rock Band, without saying so. My viewpoint aside, since there is a separate Hall of Fame section as it is, there is not much cause to say that the quote slows down the article (which it doesn't, to anyone interested in AC/DC). Also, Tyler's own status as the acclaimed and successful frontman of one of AC/DC's greatest contemporaries, along with the fact that he inducted the Band and that this quote was essentially his induction speech, explaining who or what AC/DC stood for, lends enough weight to the quote. The fact of the matter is, AC/DC is a band that sings lyrics about Rock N Roll, Booze, Sex and more Rock N Roll, laced with tongue in cheek humour and fun, for the most part and there have been very few deviations from that theme. Tyler's quote captures the essence of the effect that AC/DC has on it's fans while staying in tune with the sense of fun and excitement that their music has. The "make soup out of your girlfriend's panties" portion while ribald, is very much part of the quote and the whole quote in it's entirety was reproduced on music news sites that reported the event and i've come across many.However, "the second most powerful surge that can flow through your body", does sound out of place and overdone.
Brian Johnson's quote from one of the most popular and definitive Bon Scott era songs, with the theme again being "Rock N' Roll" is entirely legit and as already said above, shows his respect for Bon Scott.
I think that the article should go back to showing the full quote from Steven Tyler, perhaps leaving out the powerful surge part. The Archer 19:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
That's actually a point of view. As long as the quote is legitimate, it's not Steven Tyler's intelligence that is under consideration here. Considering the circumstances and the subject material, an urbane comment on AC/DC from one of the 'suits' (incidentally, the band's own comment on the Music Execs attending the induction) present, could hardly have done better.I've already explained the context in which the quote should be taken and considered for inclusion.It would have been daft if an editor on Wikipedia had written that quote perhaps, but not coming from Steven Tyler commenting on AC/DC, in that setting.I think that we need some consensus on this. The Archer 22:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I still think we should just leave his comment about the band's power chord. Leaving the rest of it in, in my opinion, does clutter-up the article and slow it down quite a bit. The article is long enough as it is. HK51 17:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
"Some think it was murder, and that Bon Scott was killed by the exhaust from the Rolls Royce being redistributed in to the car, and some think Kinnear didn't even exist."
What Rolls Royce? Are we talking about Kinnear's car, the one that Bon died in? If so, it was a Renault 5 - where did Rolls Royce come from? That's funny, but very wrong. Bretonbanquet 17:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it necesary to have names like Paul Matters or Russel Coleman in the infobox? They aren't named anywhere else on the article nor the minor members article. I think it will be better to have them listed in the minor members article and remove them from the infobox. No-Bullet 17:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
They are in the minor members article - I'm pretty sure I put everyone who's relevant in that article, so as not to clutter up the main AC/DC article, and to stop people starting lots of little individual articles for each one. Like you, I'm not sure those guys need to be in the infobox - I reckon the Young brothers would be hard-pressed to remember them anyway! Bretonbanquet 17:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think they should be in the infobox either, none of them were really proper members of the band were they? They were just there as occaional fill-ins and probably only played a few gigs amongst them. We should wait to hear a few more views on this before we delete them from the 'box though. HK51 20:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I would say that the infobox should contain current members, plus Scott, Wright, Slade, Mark Evans and maybe Dave Evans - all the others were pretty minor really, and could be covered by "other members" and a link to the minor members article. It's important to have Scott there at the very least - he's an absolute must. Bretonbanquet 23:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Yep, I'd 100% agree with what Bretonbanquet said. And I think Dave Evans should definitely be included. Although he didn't do much to shape the band's sound etc. he is quite an important part of the band's history. HK51 23:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree too. Despite the Young brothers' dislike of Dave Evans, he was their first frontman and they had a single with him.Mark Evans, Simon Wright and Chris Slade should all be included too. That goes without saying. The Archer 19:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'll erase those names from the infobox and leave only the most importants. No-Bullet 00:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I found several images on Dave Evans's official website of several of the minor members of AC/DC (see the 'Photos' section) which I think would be great to include their articles (as pictures of these guys are quite hard to find!). Trouble is I've never uploaded an image before (that I didn't create myself) and was wondering what has to be done to insure I'm not infringing copyright etc. by uploading them. I think it might be better for someone with the know-how to upload and display them! HK51 17:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Whoever passed the article didn't take it off the nominee list and add it to the Good Article section. I'm going to go ahead and do this now, anyone who disagrees can just make it a nominee again and explain why here. HK51 10:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeh, you're right. Looking at the guy's talk-page it doesn't look like he's the sort for reviewing articles! Right-o, back to nominee it goes. HK51 10:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Soothing has suggested the following links be changed to this format: (See my talk page)
The reason being is that nowhere on acdcrocks.com does it say that it's an official site, as I have said previously. Google does not list it that way either, btw. Furthermore, AC/DC's publishing company and business partner for 30+ years is Albert's Music while Sony has distributed recordings for AC/DC for only the last 3. They had to securing a contract through Albert's, not the other way around. In any event, if any page should be considered official, history should be the first consideration and AC/DC's entire career has been w/Albert's. Sony/Epic is just another company in a long list of distributors for the band, historically speaking.
I also propose we rid ourselves of any link to Rolling Stone and Music Brains. In the first place, Rolling stone shows nothing but contempt for AC/DC as has been pointed out previously in the last external links argument/discussion. Secondly, Music Brains offers nothing which cannot already be seen on Wikipedia's AC/DC page. It does offer a small bit of info on AC/DC bootlegs but much of that info is inaccurate as far as I can see. NCC17 15:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
That's far enough about the record company sites, but we do need some links other than the official sites. All the articles I've looked at have them, Aerosmith and Metallica to them a few. HK51 15:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I assume you mean fair enough but, yes, I agree that we do need links from other sites and that's why I and many others had previously posted these below on the AC/DC page. Before Fair Deal gutted them all, they were on this site for nearly two years with no complaints.
I'm of the opinion that all or the majority of them be brought back to replace the the useless Music Brains link and the link to Rolling Stone magazine. Having Rolling Stone magazine linked on the AC/DC page is akin to a John Kerry page having a link to swiftvets.com. NCC17 18:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Done :) I hope there's no objections. If anyone's wondering on the order I've listed them, it's purely alphabetical. HK51 00:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
If at all the Rolling Stone link has to be on there, I would have preferred that it be the last one on the list. As it is, I'm not sure how it appears so high on the list, if it is indeed alphabetical. The Archer 06:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
You do have a valid point about the Rolling Stone link, HK51. I still think the Music Brains link is worthless and offers misleading information but I can live w/it seeing as how the better links are posted again.
Since they are both there, I believe they (RS & MB) should be included in alphabetical order, as well. Does anybody object to that? NCC17 08:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
No objections, nope, you haven't placed them in alphabetical order though. Everything that begins 'AC/DC' should've been listed first, which includes the RS and MS link. Meh...the order doesn't matter much anyway! Just makes it look neater IMO. I shall leave it as is, as I don't want another edit war over it. HK51 16:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I was going alphabetically by the names RS & MB. After all, it seems to me that they could all be technically called AC/DC pages. I left the ODP link where it was because that's where Soothing had it placed before (under the record company profile pages) and also because it links to many other AC/DC pages. NCC17 17:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
This layout or the one HK51 came up with above is fine by me. My layout does purposely de-emphasize the RS link because many of us feel they are negatively biased against AC/DC as shown before here in their album reviews. NCC17 21:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
That's alright then, no more complaints from me. Unless anyone else has anything to add. HK51 17:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
For God's sake leave the links alone! 142.166.234.41 or Fair Deal or whoever you are, you can't just jump into a page and delete important links without discussing it with everyone here. I don't care what you think, you should have discussed it here first. And also, maybe it needs some work to one day become a FA but at the moment it's well up to GA standards. If anyone has any other issues with the external links, or anything else about the article for that matter, please discuss it here first. We do not want another edit war starting, especially now that this article is a GA nominee. HK51 00:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Soothing, there does not seem to be anything right in the anonymous removal of links, especially when this is a volatile issue here and it should have been discussed. Your condemnation of the response to the edits would seem evenhanded, if only you would not turn a blind eye to the actions of Fair Deal, or whoever it is from the NC area that is perpetrating the vandalism in question.Otherwise, it would seem that the only objective of the repeated warnings to NCC17, regardless of the reason, would be to protect the vandal in question and punish someone whose only crime seems to be pointing out that vandalism. The Archer 15:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- i really like this article now -ishmaelblues
AC/DC is not heavy metal, it's hard rock and rock & roll, why do you keep adding it into the infobox? No-Bullet 23:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I keep adding it back in because it was there before I started contributing to this page and I think it should stay there. There are certain songs I personally would class as Heavy metal. Just because the band disagrees with this classing their music as this genre, does not make it untrue. HK51 01:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Because the term "Heavy Metal" means different things to different people, this is going to be hard to resolve. Personally, I wouldn't class AC/DC as heavy metal because then how would you class a band like Iron Maiden? They're clearly worlds apart, yet are they both heavy metal? I don't think so. But then a lot of people, particularly those who don't really know much about heavy music, would class AC/DC as metal. So without a real definition of Heavy Metal, this is going to be difficult. For myself, I would class early AC/DC as hard blues rock, with the later Johnson-era stuff just being hard rock or hard boogie rock. Bretonbanquet 11:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
What I'm saying is that are certain songs written in the Brian Johnson era that do sound like heavy metal and just because these songs are few and far between doesn't mean we should not include their genre. I mean, we have blues rock in there (and rightly so) and AC/DC have very few blues rock songs, Ride On is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. So, my point is, AC/DC are a hard rock and rock and roll band, with a few heavy metal and blues rock songs. HK51 12:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
That's pretty much the way I look at it - I think it's the kind of thing that gets edited in and out several times a month, and life's too short to argue about it. If people want it in, fine, if they don't, fine. Short of having a big vote which everyone would agree to stick to, there's no real solution. At the moment, I'd say it's about equal for inclusion or exclusion. Bretonbanquet 13:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see more references in this article as a whole. For example, the quote, "The band were tagged as a punk rock band by the British press, ..." needs some referencing or clarification. The whole of the press certainly didn't. Which part of the press? Had the writer misunderstood British tongue in cheek humour? I don't know but it sounds most unlikely. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Candorwien ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I've decided to pass this nomination and make the page a good article. Here are a few suggestions toward featured status:
On the bright side, praise goes to the editors here for thorough and balanced coverage. It doesn't read like fancruft or an industry puff piece. The tone and scope are handled admirably. Congratulations, and keep improving. Durova 14:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
We can merge the Minor members of AC/DC article with that table and create Past members of AC/DC. No-Bullet 22:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Why is this article in the bollywood Walk of Fame category? None AC/DC's members appear to be on the list of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. HK51 00:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a promo video of Dave Evans singing for AC/DC here, perhaps this should be incorporated into the article some way? - Deathrocker 22:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
is anyone sure that ac/dc's new album will be called " Strap It On"? if so, please respond. -- Ac-dcfreak785 13:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Please don't keep editing an entire pharagraph on the lead section. AC/DC is an australian band, even if most of the members are british, the band was formed in Australia. Thanks. No-Bullet 02:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I keep changing the article to say that they're a British band. This is because almost all members (both current and previous) are British, they were born in Britain, and they have primarily British influences. They are also often regarded as a British band, and are included in polls of British bands. My edit keeps on getting changed back to saying they're Australian, and Australian only. And now I'm being accused of vandalism, and threatened with being blocked. I am not deliberately trying to give false facts on the article, I am trying to improve it. Surely I can't be banned for that?
PS: I have only just found out how to use the talk page. It's not exactly obvious, and the help page was anything but helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suicidal Lemming ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 17 September 2006.
No problem - when other concerned users like No-Bullet come along, all this can be discussed and a conclusion agreeable to all can be implemented. Bretonbanquet 15:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
They technically originated in Britain anway, as that was where they were born. I think it would be best to say that they're both, because I'm not going to simply leave it as just Australian. Suicidal Lemming 18:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it's best to say that they're a British-Australian band, and have a short paragraph explaining the situation. But yes, I'd be very happy with a compromise. Suicidal Lemming 16:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I think calling the band Australian-British is miss leading. The whole article refers to the band as Australian, the band was formed in Sydney Australia according to the bio they all have residences in Australia, the Youngs refer to Sydney as home. Bon Scott is buried in Fremantle Western Australia where he grewup went to prison. The members played in other AUstralian bands prior to forming, they also work in Australia. so besides being born in Scotland and emigrating to Australia with their parents what is British about the band. Gnangarra 16:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Their influences, and the fact that they regard themselves as British. It will be changed to correct it, no doubt about that. I'll make the change then. Suicidal Lemming 19:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've now made the change, I hope it's satisfactory. It shall be left this way, and no more reverts to this new info please. Suicidal Lemming 19:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
You mean dictatorial in the sense that several of us discussed it on here and agreed on Australian / British? You have dictatorially changed it to something that nobody except you wants. I'll change it back, and we'll continue the discussion here like we are supposed to, if that's OK with you. Bretonbanquet 00:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Just my two cents on the nationality question: Angus, Malcolm and Bon were all born in Scotland but emigrated to Australia at very young ages. Bon was 6, for example. Each of their families became Australian citizens and have lived the rest of their lives in Oz. AC/DC was also formed while each member was a citizen of Oz. Cliff Williams, an Englishman, joined the band in '78 becoming a permanent member and Brian, a Geordie, replaced Bon in 1980 after, of course, Bon's untimely death. Phil Rudd, the other longtime member was also born Melbourne, AU.
Here's where things get difficult. Angus now lives in Holland, and both Brian and Cliff reside in Florida. Brian, in fact, has lived in Florida for around 20 years now. At last report, Phil was living in Tauranga, NZ and has lived in and operated various businesses for many years in thet country. Frankly, I'm not certain where Malcolm permanently resides but it's pretty well known that the Youngs return to Oz during Christmas and other special occasions. For example, when they've received awards from the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA).
So, are we to include every country that can make some claim on AC/DC members? If we do that, the article would have to read Aussie/English/Scottish/Yankee/Dutch/New Zealander etc and so on! lol
My point is that the band was formed in Australia. No matter how many lineups they've been through, the seminal players (Ang & Mal) were Aussie's when they created AC/DC and I think that's how the article should read. NCC17 14:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Well actually, America and Holland etc. have no claim whatsoever on the band. Just because they lived there at some point doesn't mean thay are a part of that country. And that's exactly the point I've been making. Agreed, they have spent enough time in Australia to be considered Australian, but considering that almost every single one of them is actually regarded as British, it makes the band both. The band will remain as Australia/Britain, and it will not changed. We've agreed on it, and you will all stop reverting it back to the mistake of before. Suicidal Lemming 15:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Stop reverting to the mistake made in the AC/DC article Please stop changing the AC/DC article back to the mistake made before. We have discussed it, and all agreed that it is true that they are both British and Australian. All you are doing is creating arguments, making large mistakes and getting yourself into a revert war that you can't win. Stop it now, and leave it as it is. Suicidal Lemming 15:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Please keep this discussion here only and refrain from personal attacks, I am only referring to the sources/references used in this article to correct the information in the Info box. I have asked for Verifiable reference to the claim the band is British which have yet be provided. Additionally please dont remove {{ fact}} until you are able to provide a reference for the claim. Gnangarra 17:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
You know where I stand. There is literally 0 chance of getting me to change my mind, so it's best just to stop now. Suicidal Lemming 17:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Almost every single members are British - check their pages and history. That is proof, and I have verified my claim. Why would I need an opinion from the Rolling Stones Magazine when the facts are right there? Personal attack, well, I didn't actually know about that rule, and I apologise. It was a fairly immature thing to do. I'll cross that out on his talk page. Also, I'm not the only one constantly reverting, so it's not fair to say only I did it, now is it. Suicidal Lemming 17:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Why would we change the article to fit in with what the Rolling Stone Magazine has said, or what Elton John has said? They themselves may not be in full possession of the facts, unlike us. The article should not be changed because someone important has an opinion - the article should be made to fit in with the facts. By this logic, AC/DC are both Australian and British. It is incorrect to state otherwise. Suicidal Lemming 18:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
If it were just a handful, then it would be an Australian band only, but almost all of them come from Britain. They are British citizens with British heritage. Personally, I would find that to be acceptable proof. Why would this not count? Suicidal Lemming 18:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I second Gnangarra's opinion; nowhere have I seen AC/DC touted as a British band or a British-Australian band. AC/DC are an Australian band - formed in Australia, influenced by the Australian pub rock scene, had many of their early albums released seperately or, in one case exclusively, in Australia. I just don't see a British influence there at all, I mean, the only proper British citizens in the band are Cliff Williams and Brian Johnson who both joined a good while after the band initially formed. The Young brothers, although born in Scotland, grew up in Australia and I'm quite confident that they're Australian citizens and would declare themselves so. And I really don't see why their British roots should be mentioned in the leading paragraph. It's virtually unimportant. There's already an extensive section about the Young brothers time in Scotland and of course there's also their own articles. HK51 20:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
And another thing: Why have you placed Britain in the origins part of the infobox? It is downright wrong to say the band originates from Britain. They were formed in Australia and shaped their sound there, they originate from Australia HK51 20:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I've reached the point where I'm past caring, but "origin" is a fairly pointless thing to have in the infobox anyway, and "nationality" is more important in my opinion. AC/DC kicked off in Australia, but moved away in '76 because they outgrew the music scene there so quickly, and collectively never had a base there again. Two years in Australia and 30 elsewhere, mainly in Britain. The other thing I wanted to say is that OK, Cliff Williams joined 3 years after the band formed, but has been a member for 29 years, with Johnson present for 26. To say they're an Australian band is misleading, no matter how "accepted" it is. This isn't a great article, and rucking about things like this makes it all a bit of a farce. Bretonbanquet 23:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know who's saying they're a British band - I'm certainly not. What I am saying, and which is incontrovertible, is that at least two very long-standing members of the band are British, thus to say they're an Australian band is misleading. I don't know why anyone needs a source to prove it. Do you want 32 sources that say Johnson and Williams are British? If we are still banging on about "origin", I just don't see the relevance of it beyond explaining the beginnings of the band in the article.
Also there is a huge difference between AC/DC being Australian and them being "generally accepted" or "considered" to be Australian. If we are just pointing out the fact that the music media consider them to be Australian, we should make it clear. If we are blindly taking the music media's opinion to be fact without bothering ourselves whether it's true or not, then that's a sad state of affairs. I shan't be bothering to push this any further, so put what you like, but it'll still be misleading. Bretonbanquet 11:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
AC/DC is a band that was formed (or born to use the biographical equivalent) in Australia. Some of the members had British/Scottish roots and those indisputable facts are reflected in their own biographies. This article is about the Australian band called AC/DC. -- I@n 13:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Would this be acceptable? Suicidal Lemming 20:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with classing the band's nationality as Australian-British and keeping the origin Australia. I'll wait for a few more views on this before I change it. HK51 21:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I am referring this dispute to WP:RfC for input please leave the article in its current state. Gnangarra 11:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
As the editor who promoted this to GA status just a few weeks ago, I find it distressing to see this article on RfC. As a neutral party, I'll summarize what I see in this dispute:
Since the version of the article I approved for GA listed the band as Australian, let's take that as baseline (fair or not). The claim that some editors seem to be making is that - in some way - they're better described as a hyphenated Australian-British band. Per WP:V, burden of proof lies with the people who want to redefine this as a hyphenated band.
Fair disclosure: I'm not a rock historian and most of the editors here know AC/DC better than I do. I'm also neutral in the sense of having no national pride at stake (I'm a Yank). So how would these solutions strike the editors here:
Does this look fair to everyone? Durova 04:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
An anon editor has added a trivia section which seems to have been sourced from http://www.angelfire.com/al/ACDCpage/FAQ.html. Some of these (eg. "Dracula Rocks" don't appear to be verifiable - no such movie I can find) which gives me doubts about all of them. Can any trivia experts comment? I personally hate trivia sections and wouldn't be opposed to it being removed. -- I@n 15:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
If you ever do find a reliable source for this information, it would be best to incorporate it into the List of tributes to AC/DC in popular culture article. HK51 22:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I suggest to replace this:
Original line-up
with this:
Classic line-up
since the 'original lineup' with mark evans isn't as relevant as the "Bon Scott era". What do you think? No-Bullet 00:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I prefer having the 'Classic' line-up as it was AC/DC's first stable line-up. HK51 06:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
"Although the group is generally considered to be a pioneer of hard rock and Heavy metal music, along with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath,[4] the members have always referred to their music as "rock 'n' roll"" I think Deep Purple should be added to the list as they are one of the major influence to the development of both hard rock and heavy metal, not as popular as sabath and zep but still very influential. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.111.8.97 ( talk) 15:12, 10 October, 2006.
During the intro section the last paragraph has a typo. It says "Well know band" and should be well known band. However, I can't find a way to change it, so you guys will have to do it. 20:43 PM CST Presidentjlh (UTC)
I'm not to sure we want to write that Cliff Williams "announced his retirement from the band". Literally all of the Williams news dials back to an interview he gave with Gulfshore Life in which he said "after this tour I’m backing off of touring and recording". The publication decided to report that as his "retirement" and various other music news outlets picked up on that. However, check Rolling Stone's article here. They correctly report that he "hinted at retirement" and that's a much more accurate description of what actually happened. I don't think we should be in the business of trying to interpret primary source material, but we should be realistic about what's really happening here. -- Laser brain (talk) 12:22, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Now the Daily Mail source is back again, which is incorrectly reporting what Williams said to Gulfshore Life. I don't think this is the way to do this. @ Mlpearc: I would appreciate your joining the discussion here instead of just reverting the recent changes. -- Laser brain (talk) 13:22, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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I think we should add heavy metal. I think the only reason why people don't consider AC/DC metal is because they don't down-tune their guitars and have blast beats and stuff like that. But songs such as "Hell's Bells", "Let There Be Rock", "For Those About to Rock (We Salute You)" and "Whole Lotta Rosie" ARE metal songs. They are way heavier and louder than Led Zeppelin. The heavy riffs, strong vocals, etc. make AC/DC a metal band. Not all AC/DC songs are metal. But some AC/DC songs are metal. Also, heavy metal has citations. Statik N ( talk) 02:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
I know exactlly what you mean, but that still has nothing to do with AC/DC - Mlpearc ( open channel) 19:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
IMO, I think the article needs to be consistent. The current situation seems to be one reporter (José Norberto Flesch) reporting that Axl has joined the band. The other "journalists" seem to be running with it. Does this constitute a reliable source or not? If so, we should list Axl as a current member. If not, we should not list him as a current member. My personal opinion is that this single source is not reliable, but we should word the article just like the band would, ambiguously. -- Bark ( talk) 19:24, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this band rarely makes official statements, this band has never been in this situation before either. Mlpearc ( open channel) 14:43, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
The current members are Angus Young (Australian), Chris Slade (Welsh), Stevie Young (Scottish) and Axl Rose (American). How is this band still Australian? Kailash29792 (talk) 04:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
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I've closed the poll on the external links. The result was: use the other set of links. So that's exactly what I do. Any attempt to change back to the set of links which didn't make will be considered vandalism and be removed immediately. Oh, and maybe needless to say...but I lifted the protection as well ;). Happy editing, my fellow wikipedians. Those about to rock, we salute you.—?? S??THING (?) 08:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The way this poll was conducted was highly objectionable.I voted on one side and found that I ended up being blocked with the unfair explanation being given that I was a 'sockpuppet'. Not just me, but all those who voted in the same way, ended up being blocked and having their votes removed. This seems to have been a coordinated move on the part of those with more rights than others.Did anyone bother to check whether these voters whose votes were removed were legitimate, by tracing their IPs? I myself have been contributing to the AC/DC page for some months now and it seems to me that all of us who voted against the external links were unfairly lumped into the arbitarily labelled category of 'Sockpuppets' so that there would be only one result to the vote.Furthermore, once all the participants were so labelled and banned from editing, there ceased to be any more debate. This would suit only one objective - a stage managed win for one side. Now, that is vandalism. The Archer 13:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Last night, Helltopay27 added Classic metal to the genre listing. Now, this morning, an unregistered user removed it and I was just about to remove it myself when it was initally added last night, but when I read the classic metal article, it read:
"Classic metal bands are typically characterized by thumping fast basslines, not so fast heavy, but "clean", riffs, extended lead guitar solos, high pitched vocals and anthemic choruses."
Now, in my opinion, this sounds a lot like a typical AC/DC song. However, I'm not an expert in music, so, I would like everyone's opinions on whether you consider AC/DC a classic metal band or not and whether we should include this in the article before I add it back in or not. HK51 08:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I've reincluded the quotes from the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame induction, under that section in the article.I don't see any reason for them to have been removed in the first place. The Archer 14:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC) The references for the above are -
http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/12027761
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/ac-dc/biography.html I would appreciate it if someone would help me reference the quotes from the Hall of Fame induction to these links, on the main page.Thanks! The Archer 19:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I see no problem with including this quote - it's sourced and relevant. Anyone who wants to exclude it should state their reasons here, or leave it in. Unfortunately due to my techno-dunce status, I don't know how to reference it in the article :oI Bretonbanquet 19:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
There you go, referenced everything for you. For future *ahem* reference (pun most definitely intended ;-) ), to reference a quote, just place the link in between two square brackets. i.e. - [www.example.com]. The article's really starting to take shape now I think, nice work everyone. Happy editing guys! :-) HK51 20:04, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! HK 51, though I think that we'll have to wait and see what consensus there is, before that section takes final shape. Regards, The Archer 19:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, well let's see what people say - any other opinions on this one? We can see if there's a concensus either way. And thanks for referencing it by the way, HK51 :o) Bretonbanquet 21:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Hmmmm, I think Tyler's comments should be left out, there's no real significance to them. But I do think a link should be left to them. Johnson's quote from the award ceremony (the one with the lyrics from Let There Be Rock) should stay. I think they show Johnson's respect for Scott and also I think it's important to include at least part of the acceptance speech, to show how well the award was received by the band. HK51 21:44, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking something along the lines of:
'During their induction to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in March 2003, AC/DC performed "Highway To Hell" and "You Shook Me All Night Long" with guest vocals by Steven Tyler of Aerosmith, who inducted the band into the hall, calling the band's power chord the ""The thunder from down under that gives you the second most powerful surge that can flow through your body."
The band thanked their fans for their support in an acceptance speech and Brian Johnson quoted the band's 1977 song "Let There Be Rock," written by Bon Scott. "In the beginning, back in 1955, man didn't know about the rock 'n roll show and all that jive. The white man had the schmaltz, the black man had the blues, but no one knew what they was gonna do, but Tchaikovsky had the news, he said, let there be rock" he later said, "Bon Scott wrote that. And it's a real privilege to accept these awards tonight." '
What are everyone else's thoughts on this layout then? HK51 21:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of their relative standing, or whether Steven Tyler was drunk or not, the quote (the whole quote) does put in perspective the impression that AC/DC creates among their fans and peers.A description of AC/DC's history or their success in the music industry, may not convey the effect that their music has had on fans and indeed the reason behind their popularity and success.That quote is actually quite colourful and clever too and it does not slow things down at all.On the contrary, it sounds well crafted and explains why AC/DC is often described as the definitive Hard Rock Band, without saying so. My viewpoint aside, since there is a separate Hall of Fame section as it is, there is not much cause to say that the quote slows down the article (which it doesn't, to anyone interested in AC/DC). Also, Tyler's own status as the acclaimed and successful frontman of one of AC/DC's greatest contemporaries, along with the fact that he inducted the Band and that this quote was essentially his induction speech, explaining who or what AC/DC stood for, lends enough weight to the quote. The fact of the matter is, AC/DC is a band that sings lyrics about Rock N Roll, Booze, Sex and more Rock N Roll, laced with tongue in cheek humour and fun, for the most part and there have been very few deviations from that theme. Tyler's quote captures the essence of the effect that AC/DC has on it's fans while staying in tune with the sense of fun and excitement that their music has. The "make soup out of your girlfriend's panties" portion while ribald, is very much part of the quote and the whole quote in it's entirety was reproduced on music news sites that reported the event and i've come across many.However, "the second most powerful surge that can flow through your body", does sound out of place and overdone.
Brian Johnson's quote from one of the most popular and definitive Bon Scott era songs, with the theme again being "Rock N' Roll" is entirely legit and as already said above, shows his respect for Bon Scott.
I think that the article should go back to showing the full quote from Steven Tyler, perhaps leaving out the powerful surge part. The Archer 19:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
That's actually a point of view. As long as the quote is legitimate, it's not Steven Tyler's intelligence that is under consideration here. Considering the circumstances and the subject material, an urbane comment on AC/DC from one of the 'suits' (incidentally, the band's own comment on the Music Execs attending the induction) present, could hardly have done better.I've already explained the context in which the quote should be taken and considered for inclusion.It would have been daft if an editor on Wikipedia had written that quote perhaps, but not coming from Steven Tyler commenting on AC/DC, in that setting.I think that we need some consensus on this. The Archer 22:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I still think we should just leave his comment about the band's power chord. Leaving the rest of it in, in my opinion, does clutter-up the article and slow it down quite a bit. The article is long enough as it is. HK51 17:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
"Some think it was murder, and that Bon Scott was killed by the exhaust from the Rolls Royce being redistributed in to the car, and some think Kinnear didn't even exist."
What Rolls Royce? Are we talking about Kinnear's car, the one that Bon died in? If so, it was a Renault 5 - where did Rolls Royce come from? That's funny, but very wrong. Bretonbanquet 17:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it necesary to have names like Paul Matters or Russel Coleman in the infobox? They aren't named anywhere else on the article nor the minor members article. I think it will be better to have them listed in the minor members article and remove them from the infobox. No-Bullet 17:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
They are in the minor members article - I'm pretty sure I put everyone who's relevant in that article, so as not to clutter up the main AC/DC article, and to stop people starting lots of little individual articles for each one. Like you, I'm not sure those guys need to be in the infobox - I reckon the Young brothers would be hard-pressed to remember them anyway! Bretonbanquet 17:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think they should be in the infobox either, none of them were really proper members of the band were they? They were just there as occaional fill-ins and probably only played a few gigs amongst them. We should wait to hear a few more views on this before we delete them from the 'box though. HK51 20:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I would say that the infobox should contain current members, plus Scott, Wright, Slade, Mark Evans and maybe Dave Evans - all the others were pretty minor really, and could be covered by "other members" and a link to the minor members article. It's important to have Scott there at the very least - he's an absolute must. Bretonbanquet 23:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Yep, I'd 100% agree with what Bretonbanquet said. And I think Dave Evans should definitely be included. Although he didn't do much to shape the band's sound etc. he is quite an important part of the band's history. HK51 23:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree too. Despite the Young brothers' dislike of Dave Evans, he was their first frontman and they had a single with him.Mark Evans, Simon Wright and Chris Slade should all be included too. That goes without saying. The Archer 19:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'll erase those names from the infobox and leave only the most importants. No-Bullet 00:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I found several images on Dave Evans's official website of several of the minor members of AC/DC (see the 'Photos' section) which I think would be great to include their articles (as pictures of these guys are quite hard to find!). Trouble is I've never uploaded an image before (that I didn't create myself) and was wondering what has to be done to insure I'm not infringing copyright etc. by uploading them. I think it might be better for someone with the know-how to upload and display them! HK51 17:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Whoever passed the article didn't take it off the nominee list and add it to the Good Article section. I'm going to go ahead and do this now, anyone who disagrees can just make it a nominee again and explain why here. HK51 10:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeh, you're right. Looking at the guy's talk-page it doesn't look like he's the sort for reviewing articles! Right-o, back to nominee it goes. HK51 10:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Soothing has suggested the following links be changed to this format: (See my talk page)
The reason being is that nowhere on acdcrocks.com does it say that it's an official site, as I have said previously. Google does not list it that way either, btw. Furthermore, AC/DC's publishing company and business partner for 30+ years is Albert's Music while Sony has distributed recordings for AC/DC for only the last 3. They had to securing a contract through Albert's, not the other way around. In any event, if any page should be considered official, history should be the first consideration and AC/DC's entire career has been w/Albert's. Sony/Epic is just another company in a long list of distributors for the band, historically speaking.
I also propose we rid ourselves of any link to Rolling Stone and Music Brains. In the first place, Rolling stone shows nothing but contempt for AC/DC as has been pointed out previously in the last external links argument/discussion. Secondly, Music Brains offers nothing which cannot already be seen on Wikipedia's AC/DC page. It does offer a small bit of info on AC/DC bootlegs but much of that info is inaccurate as far as I can see. NCC17 15:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
That's far enough about the record company sites, but we do need some links other than the official sites. All the articles I've looked at have them, Aerosmith and Metallica to them a few. HK51 15:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I assume you mean fair enough but, yes, I agree that we do need links from other sites and that's why I and many others had previously posted these below on the AC/DC page. Before Fair Deal gutted them all, they were on this site for nearly two years with no complaints.
I'm of the opinion that all or the majority of them be brought back to replace the the useless Music Brains link and the link to Rolling Stone magazine. Having Rolling Stone magazine linked on the AC/DC page is akin to a John Kerry page having a link to swiftvets.com. NCC17 18:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Done :) I hope there's no objections. If anyone's wondering on the order I've listed them, it's purely alphabetical. HK51 00:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
If at all the Rolling Stone link has to be on there, I would have preferred that it be the last one on the list. As it is, I'm not sure how it appears so high on the list, if it is indeed alphabetical. The Archer 06:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
You do have a valid point about the Rolling Stone link, HK51. I still think the Music Brains link is worthless and offers misleading information but I can live w/it seeing as how the better links are posted again.
Since they are both there, I believe they (RS & MB) should be included in alphabetical order, as well. Does anybody object to that? NCC17 08:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
No objections, nope, you haven't placed them in alphabetical order though. Everything that begins 'AC/DC' should've been listed first, which includes the RS and MS link. Meh...the order doesn't matter much anyway! Just makes it look neater IMO. I shall leave it as is, as I don't want another edit war over it. HK51 16:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, I was going alphabetically by the names RS & MB. After all, it seems to me that they could all be technically called AC/DC pages. I left the ODP link where it was because that's where Soothing had it placed before (under the record company profile pages) and also because it links to many other AC/DC pages. NCC17 17:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
This layout or the one HK51 came up with above is fine by me. My layout does purposely de-emphasize the RS link because many of us feel they are negatively biased against AC/DC as shown before here in their album reviews. NCC17 21:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
That's alright then, no more complaints from me. Unless anyone else has anything to add. HK51 17:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
For God's sake leave the links alone! 142.166.234.41 or Fair Deal or whoever you are, you can't just jump into a page and delete important links without discussing it with everyone here. I don't care what you think, you should have discussed it here first. And also, maybe it needs some work to one day become a FA but at the moment it's well up to GA standards. If anyone has any other issues with the external links, or anything else about the article for that matter, please discuss it here first. We do not want another edit war starting, especially now that this article is a GA nominee. HK51 00:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Soothing, there does not seem to be anything right in the anonymous removal of links, especially when this is a volatile issue here and it should have been discussed. Your condemnation of the response to the edits would seem evenhanded, if only you would not turn a blind eye to the actions of Fair Deal, or whoever it is from the NC area that is perpetrating the vandalism in question.Otherwise, it would seem that the only objective of the repeated warnings to NCC17, regardless of the reason, would be to protect the vandal in question and punish someone whose only crime seems to be pointing out that vandalism. The Archer 15:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- i really like this article now -ishmaelblues
AC/DC is not heavy metal, it's hard rock and rock & roll, why do you keep adding it into the infobox? No-Bullet 23:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I keep adding it back in because it was there before I started contributing to this page and I think it should stay there. There are certain songs I personally would class as Heavy metal. Just because the band disagrees with this classing their music as this genre, does not make it untrue. HK51 01:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Because the term "Heavy Metal" means different things to different people, this is going to be hard to resolve. Personally, I wouldn't class AC/DC as heavy metal because then how would you class a band like Iron Maiden? They're clearly worlds apart, yet are they both heavy metal? I don't think so. But then a lot of people, particularly those who don't really know much about heavy music, would class AC/DC as metal. So without a real definition of Heavy Metal, this is going to be difficult. For myself, I would class early AC/DC as hard blues rock, with the later Johnson-era stuff just being hard rock or hard boogie rock. Bretonbanquet 11:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
What I'm saying is that are certain songs written in the Brian Johnson era that do sound like heavy metal and just because these songs are few and far between doesn't mean we should not include their genre. I mean, we have blues rock in there (and rightly so) and AC/DC have very few blues rock songs, Ride On is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. So, my point is, AC/DC are a hard rock and rock and roll band, with a few heavy metal and blues rock songs. HK51 12:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
That's pretty much the way I look at it - I think it's the kind of thing that gets edited in and out several times a month, and life's too short to argue about it. If people want it in, fine, if they don't, fine. Short of having a big vote which everyone would agree to stick to, there's no real solution. At the moment, I'd say it's about equal for inclusion or exclusion. Bretonbanquet 13:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see more references in this article as a whole. For example, the quote, "The band were tagged as a punk rock band by the British press, ..." needs some referencing or clarification. The whole of the press certainly didn't. Which part of the press? Had the writer misunderstood British tongue in cheek humour? I don't know but it sounds most unlikely. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Candorwien ( talk • contribs) 09:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I've decided to pass this nomination and make the page a good article. Here are a few suggestions toward featured status:
On the bright side, praise goes to the editors here for thorough and balanced coverage. It doesn't read like fancruft or an industry puff piece. The tone and scope are handled admirably. Congratulations, and keep improving. Durova 14:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
We can merge the Minor members of AC/DC article with that table and create Past members of AC/DC. No-Bullet 22:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Why is this article in the bollywood Walk of Fame category? None AC/DC's members appear to be on the list of stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. HK51 00:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
There is a promo video of Dave Evans singing for AC/DC here, perhaps this should be incorporated into the article some way? - Deathrocker 22:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
is anyone sure that ac/dc's new album will be called " Strap It On"? if so, please respond. -- Ac-dcfreak785 13:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Please don't keep editing an entire pharagraph on the lead section. AC/DC is an australian band, even if most of the members are british, the band was formed in Australia. Thanks. No-Bullet 02:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I keep changing the article to say that they're a British band. This is because almost all members (both current and previous) are British, they were born in Britain, and they have primarily British influences. They are also often regarded as a British band, and are included in polls of British bands. My edit keeps on getting changed back to saying they're Australian, and Australian only. And now I'm being accused of vandalism, and threatened with being blocked. I am not deliberately trying to give false facts on the article, I am trying to improve it. Surely I can't be banned for that?
PS: I have only just found out how to use the talk page. It's not exactly obvious, and the help page was anything but helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suicidal Lemming ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 17 September 2006.
No problem - when other concerned users like No-Bullet come along, all this can be discussed and a conclusion agreeable to all can be implemented. Bretonbanquet 15:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
They technically originated in Britain anway, as that was where they were born. I think it would be best to say that they're both, because I'm not going to simply leave it as just Australian. Suicidal Lemming 18:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it's best to say that they're a British-Australian band, and have a short paragraph explaining the situation. But yes, I'd be very happy with a compromise. Suicidal Lemming 16:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I think calling the band Australian-British is miss leading. The whole article refers to the band as Australian, the band was formed in Sydney Australia according to the bio they all have residences in Australia, the Youngs refer to Sydney as home. Bon Scott is buried in Fremantle Western Australia where he grewup went to prison. The members played in other AUstralian bands prior to forming, they also work in Australia. so besides being born in Scotland and emigrating to Australia with their parents what is British about the band. Gnangarra 16:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Their influences, and the fact that they regard themselves as British. It will be changed to correct it, no doubt about that. I'll make the change then. Suicidal Lemming 19:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I've now made the change, I hope it's satisfactory. It shall be left this way, and no more reverts to this new info please. Suicidal Lemming 19:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
You mean dictatorial in the sense that several of us discussed it on here and agreed on Australian / British? You have dictatorially changed it to something that nobody except you wants. I'll change it back, and we'll continue the discussion here like we are supposed to, if that's OK with you. Bretonbanquet 00:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Just my two cents on the nationality question: Angus, Malcolm and Bon were all born in Scotland but emigrated to Australia at very young ages. Bon was 6, for example. Each of their families became Australian citizens and have lived the rest of their lives in Oz. AC/DC was also formed while each member was a citizen of Oz. Cliff Williams, an Englishman, joined the band in '78 becoming a permanent member and Brian, a Geordie, replaced Bon in 1980 after, of course, Bon's untimely death. Phil Rudd, the other longtime member was also born Melbourne, AU.
Here's where things get difficult. Angus now lives in Holland, and both Brian and Cliff reside in Florida. Brian, in fact, has lived in Florida for around 20 years now. At last report, Phil was living in Tauranga, NZ and has lived in and operated various businesses for many years in thet country. Frankly, I'm not certain where Malcolm permanently resides but it's pretty well known that the Youngs return to Oz during Christmas and other special occasions. For example, when they've received awards from the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA).
So, are we to include every country that can make some claim on AC/DC members? If we do that, the article would have to read Aussie/English/Scottish/Yankee/Dutch/New Zealander etc and so on! lol
My point is that the band was formed in Australia. No matter how many lineups they've been through, the seminal players (Ang & Mal) were Aussie's when they created AC/DC and I think that's how the article should read. NCC17 14:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Well actually, America and Holland etc. have no claim whatsoever on the band. Just because they lived there at some point doesn't mean thay are a part of that country. And that's exactly the point I've been making. Agreed, they have spent enough time in Australia to be considered Australian, but considering that almost every single one of them is actually regarded as British, it makes the band both. The band will remain as Australia/Britain, and it will not changed. We've agreed on it, and you will all stop reverting it back to the mistake of before. Suicidal Lemming 15:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Stop reverting to the mistake made in the AC/DC article Please stop changing the AC/DC article back to the mistake made before. We have discussed it, and all agreed that it is true that they are both British and Australian. All you are doing is creating arguments, making large mistakes and getting yourself into a revert war that you can't win. Stop it now, and leave it as it is. Suicidal Lemming 15:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Please keep this discussion here only and refrain from personal attacks, I am only referring to the sources/references used in this article to correct the information in the Info box. I have asked for Verifiable reference to the claim the band is British which have yet be provided. Additionally please dont remove {{ fact}} until you are able to provide a reference for the claim. Gnangarra 17:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
You know where I stand. There is literally 0 chance of getting me to change my mind, so it's best just to stop now. Suicidal Lemming 17:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Almost every single members are British - check their pages and history. That is proof, and I have verified my claim. Why would I need an opinion from the Rolling Stones Magazine when the facts are right there? Personal attack, well, I didn't actually know about that rule, and I apologise. It was a fairly immature thing to do. I'll cross that out on his talk page. Also, I'm not the only one constantly reverting, so it's not fair to say only I did it, now is it. Suicidal Lemming 17:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Why would we change the article to fit in with what the Rolling Stone Magazine has said, or what Elton John has said? They themselves may not be in full possession of the facts, unlike us. The article should not be changed because someone important has an opinion - the article should be made to fit in with the facts. By this logic, AC/DC are both Australian and British. It is incorrect to state otherwise. Suicidal Lemming 18:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
If it were just a handful, then it would be an Australian band only, but almost all of them come from Britain. They are British citizens with British heritage. Personally, I would find that to be acceptable proof. Why would this not count? Suicidal Lemming 18:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I second Gnangarra's opinion; nowhere have I seen AC/DC touted as a British band or a British-Australian band. AC/DC are an Australian band - formed in Australia, influenced by the Australian pub rock scene, had many of their early albums released seperately or, in one case exclusively, in Australia. I just don't see a British influence there at all, I mean, the only proper British citizens in the band are Cliff Williams and Brian Johnson who both joined a good while after the band initially formed. The Young brothers, although born in Scotland, grew up in Australia and I'm quite confident that they're Australian citizens and would declare themselves so. And I really don't see why their British roots should be mentioned in the leading paragraph. It's virtually unimportant. There's already an extensive section about the Young brothers time in Scotland and of course there's also their own articles. HK51 20:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
And another thing: Why have you placed Britain in the origins part of the infobox? It is downright wrong to say the band originates from Britain. They were formed in Australia and shaped their sound there, they originate from Australia HK51 20:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I've reached the point where I'm past caring, but "origin" is a fairly pointless thing to have in the infobox anyway, and "nationality" is more important in my opinion. AC/DC kicked off in Australia, but moved away in '76 because they outgrew the music scene there so quickly, and collectively never had a base there again. Two years in Australia and 30 elsewhere, mainly in Britain. The other thing I wanted to say is that OK, Cliff Williams joined 3 years after the band formed, but has been a member for 29 years, with Johnson present for 26. To say they're an Australian band is misleading, no matter how "accepted" it is. This isn't a great article, and rucking about things like this makes it all a bit of a farce. Bretonbanquet 23:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't know who's saying they're a British band - I'm certainly not. What I am saying, and which is incontrovertible, is that at least two very long-standing members of the band are British, thus to say they're an Australian band is misleading. I don't know why anyone needs a source to prove it. Do you want 32 sources that say Johnson and Williams are British? If we are still banging on about "origin", I just don't see the relevance of it beyond explaining the beginnings of the band in the article.
Also there is a huge difference between AC/DC being Australian and them being "generally accepted" or "considered" to be Australian. If we are just pointing out the fact that the music media consider them to be Australian, we should make it clear. If we are blindly taking the music media's opinion to be fact without bothering ourselves whether it's true or not, then that's a sad state of affairs. I shan't be bothering to push this any further, so put what you like, but it'll still be misleading. Bretonbanquet 11:06, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
AC/DC is a band that was formed (or born to use the biographical equivalent) in Australia. Some of the members had British/Scottish roots and those indisputable facts are reflected in their own biographies. This article is about the Australian band called AC/DC. -- I@n 13:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Would this be acceptable? Suicidal Lemming 20:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with classing the band's nationality as Australian-British and keeping the origin Australia. I'll wait for a few more views on this before I change it. HK51 21:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I am referring this dispute to WP:RfC for input please leave the article in its current state. Gnangarra 11:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
As the editor who promoted this to GA status just a few weeks ago, I find it distressing to see this article on RfC. As a neutral party, I'll summarize what I see in this dispute:
Since the version of the article I approved for GA listed the band as Australian, let's take that as baseline (fair or not). The claim that some editors seem to be making is that - in some way - they're better described as a hyphenated Australian-British band. Per WP:V, burden of proof lies with the people who want to redefine this as a hyphenated band.
Fair disclosure: I'm not a rock historian and most of the editors here know AC/DC better than I do. I'm also neutral in the sense of having no national pride at stake (I'm a Yank). So how would these solutions strike the editors here:
Does this look fair to everyone? Durova 04:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
An anon editor has added a trivia section which seems to have been sourced from http://www.angelfire.com/al/ACDCpage/FAQ.html. Some of these (eg. "Dracula Rocks" don't appear to be verifiable - no such movie I can find) which gives me doubts about all of them. Can any trivia experts comment? I personally hate trivia sections and wouldn't be opposed to it being removed. -- I@n 15:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
If you ever do find a reliable source for this information, it would be best to incorporate it into the List of tributes to AC/DC in popular culture article. HK51 22:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I suggest to replace this:
Original line-up
with this:
Classic line-up
since the 'original lineup' with mark evans isn't as relevant as the "Bon Scott era". What do you think? No-Bullet 00:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I prefer having the 'Classic' line-up as it was AC/DC's first stable line-up. HK51 06:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
"Although the group is generally considered to be a pioneer of hard rock and Heavy metal music, along with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath,[4] the members have always referred to their music as "rock 'n' roll"" I think Deep Purple should be added to the list as they are one of the major influence to the development of both hard rock and heavy metal, not as popular as sabath and zep but still very influential. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.111.8.97 ( talk) 15:12, 10 October, 2006.
During the intro section the last paragraph has a typo. It says "Well know band" and should be well known band. However, I can't find a way to change it, so you guys will have to do it. 20:43 PM CST Presidentjlh (UTC)
I'm not to sure we want to write that Cliff Williams "announced his retirement from the band". Literally all of the Williams news dials back to an interview he gave with Gulfshore Life in which he said "after this tour I’m backing off of touring and recording". The publication decided to report that as his "retirement" and various other music news outlets picked up on that. However, check Rolling Stone's article here. They correctly report that he "hinted at retirement" and that's a much more accurate description of what actually happened. I don't think we should be in the business of trying to interpret primary source material, but we should be realistic about what's really happening here. -- Laser brain (talk) 12:22, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Now the Daily Mail source is back again, which is incorrectly reporting what Williams said to Gulfshore Life. I don't think this is the way to do this. @ Mlpearc: I would appreciate your joining the discussion here instead of just reverting the recent changes. -- Laser brain (talk) 13:22, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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I think we should add heavy metal. I think the only reason why people don't consider AC/DC metal is because they don't down-tune their guitars and have blast beats and stuff like that. But songs such as "Hell's Bells", "Let There Be Rock", "For Those About to Rock (We Salute You)" and "Whole Lotta Rosie" ARE metal songs. They are way heavier and louder than Led Zeppelin. The heavy riffs, strong vocals, etc. make AC/DC a metal band. Not all AC/DC songs are metal. But some AC/DC songs are metal. Also, heavy metal has citations. Statik N ( talk) 02:04, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
I know exactlly what you mean, but that still has nothing to do with AC/DC - Mlpearc ( open channel) 19:32, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
IMO, I think the article needs to be consistent. The current situation seems to be one reporter (José Norberto Flesch) reporting that Axl has joined the band. The other "journalists" seem to be running with it. Does this constitute a reliable source or not? If so, we should list Axl as a current member. If not, we should not list him as a current member. My personal opinion is that this single source is not reliable, but we should word the article just like the band would, ambiguously. -- Bark ( talk) 19:24, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this band rarely makes official statements, this band has never been in this situation before either. Mlpearc ( open channel) 14:43, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
The current members are Angus Young (Australian), Chris Slade (Welsh), Stevie Young (Scottish) and Axl Rose (American). How is this band still Australian? Kailash29792 (talk) 04:44, 16 November 2016 (UTC)