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I've protected this page, because there seems to be an editwar over what URLs should be included in the external links. I guess we should put it to a vote so this dispute can end.
User NCC17 and Cirreus want the section to look like this:
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Whereas several others want it to have it looking like this:
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For the record, Circeus suggested the above compromise in regards to Fair Deal's previous complaint over the links. If you call in an administrator to settle things as Fair Deal did, you ought to abide by their decision. NCC17 18:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
From a review of the the RS Record Guide:
" The first page gives us reviews of albums by Aalon (who?), Abba, AC/DC, Ace (Aalon’s partners in oblivion), Johnny Ace, Ace Spectrum, and David Ackles. The high-scoring album on the page is The Johnny Ace Memorial Album (at 4 stars), while the low-scorers are the three AC/DC albums High Voltage, Let There Be Rock, and Powerage, all of which get a “box” (not even a single star!), meaning:
“Worthless: records that need never (or should never) have been created. Reserved for the most pathetic bathwater.”
Damn, that’s harsh. Sure, High Voltage is no conceptual disco set in a futurist urban landscape, like the 2-star-rated Cream City by Aalon, but it’s the AC/DC of the Bon Scott era, the source of some surprisingly heartfelt lyrics and arguably Angus Young’s most bluesy-nutso stage, that the RS Guide has just blithely dismissed as offending “anyone within sight or earshot.” By comparison, the AllMusic Guide (AMG hereafter, representing current conventional critical wisdom unless I disagree with them) gives the AC/DC albums 4½, 4½, and 3½ stars, respectively."
NCC17 01:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with No-Bullet on this, just because we disagree with their rankings doesn't mean we should leave out one of the most well-known sites, it's not really showing a NPOV is it? And yes, acdcrocks.com is the official site, accadacca.net is not. Oh, and stop using your sock-puppets to vote, it's not really fair. HK51 13:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Rolling Stone is not a nuetral source when concerning ac/dc. the magizine has consitintly since there first review of high voltage shunned and delibratly underrated and belittled the band, often ranking the bands musics and member noticably below reason in th epov of rock listeners and not nessesarly AC/DC fans. - Ishmaelblues
read the ac/dc bio on the stone site
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/acdc/biography
its full of back handed insults an attempts to make the band seem smaller than they are. the magizine is woefully pov and not wikipedia quality to use in this case
-ishmaelblues
Could an editor or user with better knowledge than me look into having outside parties look at this article? I admit that I'm not a Wiki-Lawyer, but it is my understanding that there is a process to take these disputes to a higher level and involve outside, uninterested parties. I think one of the issues that we need to look at is what the definition of a current member is and is not when it comes to bands. I would also like to have outside people looking at the article to address the concerns of the user named Bark. Thank you. 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 23:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble
I'm sorry to make another section, but everything up above is very muddy and hard to follow along with. I have read the body of the article and while I don't really have a problem with how the article is worded (it doesn't seem very up to date though - no mention of Coachella, brief mention of the Grammys, etc.), I still have an issue with the sidebar and listing Chris as only a live member. I looked up the definition of member in the Cambridge dictionary and it says: (noun) a person or thing that is part of a group. Would Chris not be part of the group, even if temporary? On the sidebar, you have two choices, Member and Past Members. Doesn't it seem wrong to list him as a past member when he's currently a part of the group? Is there an issue with having both Chris and Phil listed as members together since there hasn't been any resolution on Phil yet? Could we not move Chris back to past members should Phil return?
The second issue I have is listing Chris as a current live member. Again, he is doing more than just live work. He is also doing publicity photos and has done the music video, "Rock the Blues Away." I can see the reason for not wanting to remove Rudd from the list of current members without anything concrete from the band. The band doesn't give concrete answers very often. When Rudd was fired in 1983, it was a tiny blurb in a magazine article. I'm not even saying that he's fired or that Chris is permanent at this point. Nobody knows. I am not opposed to keeping Rudd as a current member. I wonder if there's a way to have both Chris and Rudd listed as current members that we can all agree on? Chris is, without a doubt, doing all the duties that Phil would be doing if he weren't absent. I'm not looking for an either/or here, but a compromise where we can reflect actual circumstances in absence of any real information from the band. I want it to be factual for younger people and casual observers who may be exposed to the band for the first time, coming here to this site, to understand what they are seeing in the band. They may ask, why is Phil Rudd listed in the album, but this bald headed guy is playing drums? Does this article explain that? Yes, very vaguely in the narrative, but it doesn't very well in the quick look areas like the sidebar and down in the members section.
I don't want an edit war. I am not able to edit this semi-protected page or else I'd take a stab at it. Should a new section be added to the article to explain what is going on with the drummers the best we can without concrete information? It is a controversy, but one hard to find reliable sources because some news stories list Slade as the new drummer, others say he's filling in for Phil, etc. etc. The article writers don't even know how to word it. Nobody really knows. We could find reliable sources going either way. In conclusion, the reality is that Chris, at the very least, is filling in for Phil in Phil's absence. That doesn't mean that Phil is out. It doesn't mean Chris is permanent. But in reality, Chris has done all the duties that Phil would, not just live work. While the official statement mentions the tour, he has done more than just tour. As far as a future album, that we don't and cannot know. I'm not even sure if the band knows or cares at this point. They seem to be focused on their current tour. Furthermore, I don't think that question needs to be answered at this point for this article. Can we come to a compromise? 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 15:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC) Jack B. Nimble
I have reverted the edit that places Slade in the current line-up. Though I don't think Rudd is likely to come back, we can't change membership based on one live performance because we "think" it means he will do the whole tour. IMO its too soon to make a change and there is no source to support the edit. Flat Out let's discuss it 06:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if Rudd will return or not but it's a fact that Chris Slade is a band member now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasp-1992 ( talk • contribs) 03:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
we don't guess, or make assumptions based on photos or feelings etc. We wait for a reliable source. If you have sources for the changes please cite them. Flat Out let's discuss it 22:25, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Bb what are your thoughts here? The band is touring with Slade, Rudd's status is up in the air but seeing as they are only playing live for the foreseeable future (at least a year) it is possibly a moot point. Flat Out let's discuss it 20:02, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Just got back from a break. I don't see any sources saying that Rudd has left. Slade has been announced for the tour but not as a full-time member or anything else. As far as I can see he's a temporary member. Anything chucked into any AC/DC article without a reliable source will be removed. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 16:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
How about an interview that the LA Times just did with Brian Johnson dated April 9th, 2015? http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-coachella-acdc-20150409-story.html#page=1 In that article, Brian Johnson states: "You pick yourself up, dust yourself down and just keep going," said the frontman, instantly recognizable in his trademark black T-shirt and flat cap. "You live on, and you have a wonderful memory of them always with you, but you're not going to stop doing what you do. Otherwise, you die inside, you know? And we would die — I would, if I didn't do what I was doing. There'd be nothing." He paused as though suddenly aware of how serious he sounded. Then he laughed.
Notice the pronoun "them". 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 01:12, 12 April 2015 (UTC)Jack Sprat
Phil Rudd has left because because of legal troubles. Chris Slade replaced him. Their live performance at the Grammys can be threated as a "official statement". Wasp-1992 ( talk) 19:02, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
What in the world... was the compromise we reached that ACDC now has 2 active drummers? Putting both Rudd and Slade in the info box is NOT a valid compromise. It is up to debate which one is the official member, but nobody thinks the band has 2 drummers. We must keep it at Rudd until the issue is resolved, as he is the most recent confirmed drummer. Joshua0228 ( talk) 21:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Why this case is so complicated? The facts are very simple: -Chris Slade appears on official band photos -Chris Slade is a part of the Rock Or Bust world tour. -Chris Slade even confirmed by himself that he is back in the band on facebook. Wasp-1992 ( talk) 01:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Nah. They won't talk about it. They are probably reading this talk page right now and laughing as their loyal fans duke it out over small legal technicalities. If I was Slade I would be laughing as people tried to figure out what I am. Joshua0228 ( talk) 03:23, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
"CHRIS SLADE is the current drummer for AC/DC. Previously drumming for Michael Schenker, Manfred Mann's Earthband, Uriah Heep, ASIA, Tom Jones, The Firm, Gary Moore, Jimmy Page, David Gilmour, Gary Numan, Olivia Newton John, Count Basie etc. etc" Source: https://facebook.com/page/about.php?id=250282005103235&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_highlights Wasp-1992 ( talk) 00:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Bon Scott and Malcolm Young are still listed as members on the official website. Maybe the band has given them positions for life in the band, like they do to the leaders in North Korea (DPRK)? Why aren't they listed as official members then if we're going to use the official website as the end all, be all for defining who is a member or not? What the definition of a member is may be the better question here? Furthermore, the term being used in the article here is "current member" and currently, Slade is a member. To call him a former member like he is in the sidebar, while he's currently performing all the duties of the band's drummer reeks of politics more than reality. If some hipster from Coachella were to be exposed to the band for the first time, look them up here on Wikipedia, and see that Phil Rudd is the current drummer, would that make sense? It's not what they witnessed, is it? This article lists Slade as a former member. Maybe you want to call Slade, "Drummer pro tem" at this point until something more official, to the liking of the dissenters here, comes out. I certainly would not consider Phil a current member as he is not performing the duties of the band's drummer at present and Rudd himself stated he wants his job back, indicating that he no longer has it, but agreed, the band has been anything but clear about it. It might make better sense to list him in the current members list along with Slade, but notate it as situation undetermined. That would be a factual assessment of the current situation, and better than the current handling of it which doesn't represent what people would see when they actually go see the band this year, would it not? It's not as if bands haven't had two drummers before. 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 18:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble
The article mentioned where they said Chris was filling in for Phil was from MetalHammer and they were writing about an article where the Telegraph interviewed Brian Johnson. Nowhere in the original article was there a mention that Chris is just a fill in. MetalHammer Article: http://metalhammer.teamrock.com/news/2015-04-16/malcolm-inspired-ac-dc-world-tour Original Article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/11539723/Brian-Johnson-I-think-they-made-a-mistake-about-Jeremy-Clarkson.html
The article here on Wikipedia is factually incorrect by having the sidebar list Chris as a past member instead of current. As far as being a touring member only, that too is factually incorrect as he is doing publicity photos and music videos as well. He is doing everything that a band's drummer would do. The only question is whether he doing so temporarily or on a permanent basis, which is why I suggested the "pro tem" moniker in obvious futility. If you speak of consensus, then I ask you to read through all of the discussion here and it appears that the ones who are keeping the article as is, factually incorrect, are a couple of members with obvious Mod or Admin rights who are in the minority. Call it what you will, it is no longer a matter of editing by consensus, but by personal motivation and feelings on the matter. Phil may be considered by some to be the band's drummer "de jure", but Chris is the "de facto" drummer for the band currently. Anything that lists him as a past drummer is incorrect. By the looks of the arguments above, that seems to be the consensus of the majority. 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 15:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC) Jack B. Nimble
Chris Slade is the current drummer, and Phil Rudd is the former drummer. Several reliable sources in media have been provided, ex. interviews, publicity photos, etc. The "Pro-Rudd" camp here drag their feet, claiming a standard has to be reached to justify the change, and yet fail to specify what the exact threshold is. I have asked numerous times for what it would take to sway their opinion, i.e. a conviction in the criminal trial, a direct quote from the band along the lines of "Rudd's out, Slade's in," a web site update (which still lists Malcolm despite the consensus that he is now a former member despite the site's information), Rudd spontaneously combusting, Rudd choking on someone else's vomit, etc. No response is ever given that contains a definitive metric. All that is offered is a non-response to specific proposed sources when brought up and an implicit, "not good enough, moving on..." This reeks of OWN to me as it's from the same couple of users and why I left the discussion months ago, as I recognized an exercise in futility when I saw it. However, I will again state my opinion that Rudd should be relegated to former member and Slade to be promoted to current member, and hope that my refusal to engage in edit wars displays my good faith effort. Peace and love, as per Ringo. -- Bark ( talk) 18:27, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
I thought that wikipedia is based on facts and not on assumptions. Wasp-1992 ( talk) 23:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Now it's about who has ownership in the band? That's what makes them a member? You yourself admit that Stevie may be a hired hand, but yet he's listed as a current member, not a live member. How long can these convoluted excuses continue? I would think that a member of a band is the person who is performing the duties within the band. There are bands who have "part time" members, such as the Rolling Stones, but don't you think that there's a difference between Chuck Leavell and Chris Slade here? My solution, I believe, would depict an accurate snapshot of the band today, namely, having Chris as the drummer pro tem and Phil as situation unknown. How is that not factual? The only thing that I can see wrong with it is that it is hard to swallow for fans of Phil Rudd. That's not reason enough to hold this article up and refuse to make changes to reflect current facts. With regards to ownership, that information is seldom public knowledge, and certainly isn't public knowledge in this case. It's my understanding that Ace Frehely maintains or at least did have ownership in Kiss after he left, but was he still listed as a current member when Tommy Thayer took his spot? For that reason, I don't think ownership should define who is and who isn't a current band member, unless you wish to add a section to this article about band ownership and list the owners, if you could even get that information. Chris Slade is the current, meaning today, drummer of AC/DC. If Phil comes back, then Chris can return to the past member's column. Really, this shouldn't be about how to list Slade as his current position is quite clear. It is the position of Rudd which is in question. How should he be listed? 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 02:12, 18 April 2015 (UTC) Jack B. Nimble
Chris Slade is now listed as a band member on the officiell website, while Phil has been removed. Malcom and Bon are also listed, but Malcom is confirmed no longer being a member and Bon is past away. http://www.acdc.com/us/theband — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.218.247.166 ( talk) 21:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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Phil Rudd has been removed from the official website and Chris Slade is now listed as drums: http://www.acdc.com/us/theband However, on the Facebook page, they list everyone as the "touring lineup": https://www.facebook.com/acdc/info?tab=overview Very strange wording on the Facebook page, but official page has Chris as the drummer. I think my compromise is still valid.
1.Move Chris to current member of sidebar.
2. Remove "live drummer" label below. Move Chris to drums under current members and have his start date as 2015, leave Phil as current member, put end date as 2014, but leave him as current member until further word comes down.
3. I would also suggest adding a section to the article regarding the drum situation to try and explain to those learning about the band, maybe for the first time, that it's a lot of question marks at the drummer position. Please add the following:
Due to problems with Phil Rudd not showing up on time for recording, not showing up for the music videos, “Play Ball” and “Rock or Bust”, and because of legal issues in New Zealand, Phil Rudd has been unable to participate in the Rock or Bust Tour or discharge any duties as the band’s drummer since November 2014. [1]
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Speculation regarding Chris’s return to AC/DC started shortly after Phil Rudd’s legal problems became public. In a December 2014 podcast by Chris Jericho, Jericho mentioned that he had it on good authority that Chris Slade would be returning to AC/DC. [1]
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Chris was photographed signing albums with the band on February 7th, 2015. [1]
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After the photo appeared publicly, Chris finally admitted that he was going to be the band’s drummer and admitted to secrecy surrounding his return, and stated that it was done for the right reasons. [1]
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Since Chris’s return, the band has issued a statement stating that, “Chris Slade will be on drums for the upcoming Rock or Bust world tour.” [1]
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Since that time, Chris has appeared in all promotional photos taken with the band and appeared in the music video for the single, “Rock the Blues Away.” On April 21st, 2015, Phil Rudd plead guilty to possession of cannabis and methamphetamine, as well as one charge of “threatening to kill.” He awaits sentencing on June 26th, 2015, but his attorney has stated that they will seek to have charges discharged without conviction. [1]
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On April 25th, 2015, the band have changed their official website to reflect Chris as the band’s drummer and have removed Phil Rudd. [1] On their Facebook page, they list all of the members as touring members. [2]
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Neither AC/DC, Phil Rudd, or Chris Slade have commented on whether or not Chris’s tenure with the band will be permanent or not. No comments have been made whether or not Phil Rudd is still with the band.
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I will also add, for those who may think that I am a sock puppet, that I have finally registered for an account, so I will sign with my registered name, Jack Bee Nimble as Jack B. Nimble was already taken. I am the same person. Since I am a new member, I cannot edit the semi-protected page yet. Jack Bee Nimble ( talk) 23:55, 28 April 2015 (UTC)Jack Bee Nimble
Can the semi-protection be lifted on this article? I'd like to take a stab at it and update it more than just listing Slade as the current drummer. Phil still hasn't been publicly fired. I am in agreement with Chris being listed as current drummer, but think Phil should be left as a current member on the sidebar until we hear further, and list Phil as status unknown, or something to that effect down below. The article can explain the situation to readers. I wrote the section up above that I'd like to weave into this article to help people understand what is going on. To be honest, it's pretty clear that Chris is the current drummer and has been since February, but what isn't clear is Phil's status. He hasn't done any drum duties since 2014, so that would make a better end date for him. I have a pretty good idea how to do it, but this article needs to be unlocked first so I can take a stab at it. I think I can do it in an honest, fair way that explains the situation to people coming to this site for information. Jack Bee Nimble ( talk) 22:34, 29 April 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble
Accuracy has always been my goal, which if you take a look, is why I am opposed to removing Rudd as a current member in the sidebar, despite my wanting to add Slade when he clearly was doing drum duties. Can you tell me specifically what drum duties Rudd did in 2015? Can you reliably source them other than Phil being listed in a clearly outdated website? The decision to have Slade return happened in 2014. Jack Slade, Chris's son told me that his father knew at Thanksgiving 2014 that he was returning to the band, not that I can reliably source that as it was a conversation between him and me, and therefore not in any article, but it is the truth. If I could reliably source it, I'd call for making Slade's start date in 2014, which is when he actually went to America after Christmas to start practicing with the band. That I can reliably source from Chris's Facebook page. It shows him in Las Vegas getting the very same drum set that he used on the Grammys, but doesn't say at that point that he's going to play with AC/DC. His wife's Facebook page does hint to it though. But, all of that being said, I am in agreement that a 2015 date for Slade is appropriate as that is when the band decided to make it known to the world.
I wonder if Bretonbanquet and Flat Out are able to take a NPOV on this article? I have make pretty concise and laid out reasoning for some time for Chris to be listed as the band's current drummer. I've even been accused of being a sock puppet! Chris started being the band's current drummer when he appeared on the Grammys. Phil quit being the current drummer either when he didn't show up for the "Let's Play Ball" and "Rock or Bust" videos in October of 2014 or when his legal problems became public in November 2014. He hasn't done a thing with the band since. Whether or not he is still a member is something that none of us know. Tell me where my statements are inaccurate. Jack Bee Nimble ( talk) 00:43, 30 April 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble
I would not have to rehash if you would actually address points and concerns that I bring up instead of doing or saying nothing. Your words "not that accuracy would bother some of you." and "We are not a news site. We are not a fan info site." certainly aren't inflammatory, are they? This is why I wonder if you are coming from a neutral position or not? Every thing that you have brought up for keeping Phil as current drummer, I have addressed. You then say nothing. I never suggested that my conversation with Chris Slade's son counted as verifiable, in fact, if you re-read what I wrote above, you'll see that I said that if it could be verified, I would be pushing for a 2014 date instead of 2015. I'm agreeing on a 2015 start date for Slade. I really feel like I'm trying to be fair and accurate, but that I'm getting a lot of blowback from you. You're not addressing my points on matter of fact, but on vague technicality. How about answering my questions regarding what drumming Phil Rudd did in 2015? I read through WP:BLP and didn't see anything from putting Rudd's end date as 2014. To be honest, it's quite a voluminous article. Can you provide the specific rule that you think it infringes? Could you also address my question as to what I have written that you find non-factual? I would love to take this to a new level and have editors who have no horse in the race take a look at the article. I do not agree with Phil Rudd being placed in the past members column. Wouldn't you think if I had an axe to grind against him, or was just a cheerleader for Slade, that I'd be happy with the article as is? Whether you believe it or not, I am trying to be accurate. P.S., I suggested an edit to this semi-protected page and am I to assume that it has been answered in the negative because I have heard nothing on it? 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 03:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble
Is the current drummer of AC/DC Phil Rudd or Chris Slade? -- Bark ( talk) 14:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Until the band itself (or maybe the label) officially says otherwise... Rudd. Victão Lopes Fala! 22:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Since I am still a "new" editor, I am unable to edit this semi-protected article. Could someone take a look at the section, "Rock or Bust, Rock or Bust World Tour, departure of Malcolm Young and Phil Rudd (2011–present)" and consider breaking it into smaller sections, and rewriting it in a manner that doesn't look like a bunch of snippets strung together? I would suggest a section covering the time between the end of the Black Ice World Tour and the recording of Rock or Bust 2011-2014, where they released Live at River Plate. It doesn't have to be a very long section, but then add a new section for Rock or Bust to present (2014 to present). The article also doesn't mention much about the tour, including the two shows at Coachella before heading to Europe. It could also be mentioned that the shows are all stadium shows with fireworks.
A link could be added to direct to the album: /info/en/?search=Rock_or_Bust A link could be added to direct to the tour: /info/en/?search=Rock_or_Bust_World_Tour
I am a new editor, and I suppose I could go through the motions of a formal edit request, but last time I did that, my sources got all mangled up on this talk page and it would be better to have a more experienced editor tackle this until such time as I gain the privilege to edit semi-protected articles. Thank you. Jack Bee Nimble ( talk) 06:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble
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Not done - there has been extensive discussion on this point and consensus reached that heavy metal is not representative of what the majority of reliable sources have to say about the subject.
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I am a massive fan of AC/DC but I would think the page would be more appealing if there was a more recent image placed at the top of the article, maybe something that shows Stevie Young and Chris Slade? 86.158.76.109 ( talk) 21:15, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Colin Burgess is mentioned in the text but isn't on the timeline diagram. It looks odd to have a rock band wityh no drumm,er for their first year... can he be added? Stub Mandrel ( talk) 12:44, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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Please change Ac/Dc's genres to blues rock, Classic Rock. They're not really Hard Rock. 75.90.79.117 ( talk) 02:44, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
This part in the article says this era is the current one. With Brian out of the band this is no longer true. Please update the page to saying: Brian Johnson Era (1980 to 2016) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.247.53.226 ( talk) 04:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Based on this recent statement issued by Johnson he is not officially out of the band. Axl Rose will be completing this tour with them but Brian (nor the rest of the band) confirmed his dismissal/retirement. Johnson did specifically say that he plans on recording in the studio (presumably with) AC/DC in the future and he hopes to one day rejoin them on stage. http://loudwire.com/brian-johnson-statement-acdc-departure/ sk8punk3d288 ( talk) 06:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't see how this can be about consensus, officially it has not been stated that he is no longer a member of the band. What has been stated officially is that Axl Rose will be featured as a "guest singer" and Brian plans on recording with them in the studio for future albums as a member of the band
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Brian Johnson is now a past member. The band made it official on their website: "AC/DC band members would like to thank Brian Johnson for his contributions and dedication to the band throughout the years. We wish him all the best with his hearing issues and future ventures." - See more at: http://www.acdc.com/news?n_id=278#sthash.7B3aER2S.dpuf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.25.65 ( talk) 11:37, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
On April 17th 2016, AC/DC announced that due to the degradation of his hearing, Brian Johnson had parted ways with the band in friendly terms. Johnson, who was with the band since the death of previous singer Bon Scott on the 19th of February 1980, has been replaced by former Guns N' Roses singer Axl Rose. The news came in the form of a statement from the band which listed various 2016 tour dates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamezrodriegez ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd have Axl listed as a touring member or guest. Bluorangefyre ( talk) 20:57, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd be interested in collecting some comments and coming to a consensus about whether Brian Johnson should be considered a "past member" and Axl Rose a "current member". The language used in the press release indicates that Rose is helping them complete the tour. It feels like Johnson is officially out of the band (things like "we wish him the best in future endeavors") but Rose is an not an official full member. He seems like more of a touring musician. Thoughts? -- Laser brain (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
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So, a new news release from AC/DC and Brian state he's not retiring, but not playing big concerts for the time being. I can't tell if this 'not retiring' mean from AC/DC or from all music in general. http://www.acdc.com/news?n_id=279 Deathstrike9k ( talk) 21:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
There was no "release from AC/DC and Brian". AC/DC merely reprinted Brian's comments. Brian's words are his and his alone. That's an important difference. There was also no comment about, or from, Brian not playing big concerts "for the time being." ( Sellpink ( talk) 15:14, 8 May 2016 (UTC))
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Hello, i have added a recent and clearer image, with a caption and alt, of the group in the infobox. I have moved the previous photo to the Black Ice (2008–11) section.
"AC/DC are an Australian hard rock band..." This quote is taken from the start of the article - but I'm not sure if they should be called 'Australian' when there are various members or past members who are NOT from down under. For instance: Bryan Jonson (from the North-East of England), Axel Rose (American) or Bon Scott, who might have lived in Australia and is buried there, but he was born in Scotland. It might be better to start with: "AC/DC are a hard rock band that was formed in Australia..."
What do other editors think?
RASAM ( talk) 13:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
A user is repeatedly inserting the following passage: "During the Rock or Bust World Tour tour, some AC/DC fans and medias [1] funnily (and appropriately) renamed the band "AXL/DC"." Aside from being badly written, I believe this is trivia and not worth including in a Featured article. This user's normal operating procedure is to ignore WP:BRD and edit war whenever they are challenged, so I'd like to build consensus here one way or another. -- Laser brain (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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How is it that with all the hits this page gets, nobody has mentioned that the AC/DC album "WHO MADE WHO" (1986) is NOT listed in the DISCOGRAPHY section? The album sold over 5 million copies (5x Platinum) so how was it skipped? Are there any OTHER AC/DC albums that are also missing from this article? /info/en/?search=Who_Made_Who — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.129.26.145 ( talk) 21:00, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Over the past 25 years AC/DC has been one of the most monetarily successful bands worldwide coming in at 25th on the list of Top Live Performers from 1990-2014.<ref> <ref>Waddell, Ray.
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AC/DC's current official band page (official source) [5] lists Brian Johnson as a CURRENT member of AC/DC, however, the Wikipedia article concerning AC/DC lists Brian Johnson as a PAST member (with no valid source reference(s)s provided). Nowhere in the band's official press releases or statements does it specifically state Brian Johnson is no longer part of the band. Hearsay from friends of Brian Johnson is not considered an official source. Please provide an official source for the recent update of the page or correct the entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.141.174 ( talk) 12:53, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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Spinal Tap. It was removed twice with the reason it was discussed in the past. The "discussion" entailed three lines of talk in 2012. That hardly counts as consensus, so I will reinstate it until there is a real argument here to not include it. Note that "may not show" was a thing of the past (notably WinXP/IE6 related) and unicode support is mature now. The actual sign is U+26A1 ⚡ HIGH VOLTAGE SIGN, which is pretty standard since Unicode 1.0. I'll note that the cited discussion used a different sign; U+03DF ϟ GREEK SMALL LETTER KOPPA, and wrongly asumed that would display as a square. Being a standard greek letter, that would not happen (but it is not the proper glyph). -- [[
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11:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)I have been adding the category Pioneers of music genres more than one time, but Laser brain repeatedly reverted my changes, even when I was explaining why AC/DC are considered pioneers of at least one musical genre. Portal:AC/DC claims they're pioneers of hard rock and heavy metal, while several sources call them pioneers of hard rock: [6] [7] [8] [9]. 2602:306:BDA9:8610:49CD:7AC5:67D5:A1BF ( talk) 00:16, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
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I've protected this page, because there seems to be an editwar over what URLs should be included in the external links. I guess we should put it to a vote so this dispute can end.
User NCC17 and Cirreus want the section to look like this:
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For the record, Circeus suggested the above compromise in regards to Fair Deal's previous complaint over the links. If you call in an administrator to settle things as Fair Deal did, you ought to abide by their decision. NCC17 18:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
From a review of the the RS Record Guide:
" The first page gives us reviews of albums by Aalon (who?), Abba, AC/DC, Ace (Aalon’s partners in oblivion), Johnny Ace, Ace Spectrum, and David Ackles. The high-scoring album on the page is The Johnny Ace Memorial Album (at 4 stars), while the low-scorers are the three AC/DC albums High Voltage, Let There Be Rock, and Powerage, all of which get a “box” (not even a single star!), meaning:
“Worthless: records that need never (or should never) have been created. Reserved for the most pathetic bathwater.”
Damn, that’s harsh. Sure, High Voltage is no conceptual disco set in a futurist urban landscape, like the 2-star-rated Cream City by Aalon, but it’s the AC/DC of the Bon Scott era, the source of some surprisingly heartfelt lyrics and arguably Angus Young’s most bluesy-nutso stage, that the RS Guide has just blithely dismissed as offending “anyone within sight or earshot.” By comparison, the AllMusic Guide (AMG hereafter, representing current conventional critical wisdom unless I disagree with them) gives the AC/DC albums 4½, 4½, and 3½ stars, respectively."
NCC17 01:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with No-Bullet on this, just because we disagree with their rankings doesn't mean we should leave out one of the most well-known sites, it's not really showing a NPOV is it? And yes, acdcrocks.com is the official site, accadacca.net is not. Oh, and stop using your sock-puppets to vote, it's not really fair. HK51 13:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Rolling Stone is not a nuetral source when concerning ac/dc. the magizine has consitintly since there first review of high voltage shunned and delibratly underrated and belittled the band, often ranking the bands musics and member noticably below reason in th epov of rock listeners and not nessesarly AC/DC fans. - Ishmaelblues
read the ac/dc bio on the stone site
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/acdc/biography
its full of back handed insults an attempts to make the band seem smaller than they are. the magizine is woefully pov and not wikipedia quality to use in this case
-ishmaelblues
Could an editor or user with better knowledge than me look into having outside parties look at this article? I admit that I'm not a Wiki-Lawyer, but it is my understanding that there is a process to take these disputes to a higher level and involve outside, uninterested parties. I think one of the issues that we need to look at is what the definition of a current member is and is not when it comes to bands. I would also like to have outside people looking at the article to address the concerns of the user named Bark. Thank you. 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 23:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble
I'm sorry to make another section, but everything up above is very muddy and hard to follow along with. I have read the body of the article and while I don't really have a problem with how the article is worded (it doesn't seem very up to date though - no mention of Coachella, brief mention of the Grammys, etc.), I still have an issue with the sidebar and listing Chris as only a live member. I looked up the definition of member in the Cambridge dictionary and it says: (noun) a person or thing that is part of a group. Would Chris not be part of the group, even if temporary? On the sidebar, you have two choices, Member and Past Members. Doesn't it seem wrong to list him as a past member when he's currently a part of the group? Is there an issue with having both Chris and Phil listed as members together since there hasn't been any resolution on Phil yet? Could we not move Chris back to past members should Phil return?
The second issue I have is listing Chris as a current live member. Again, he is doing more than just live work. He is also doing publicity photos and has done the music video, "Rock the Blues Away." I can see the reason for not wanting to remove Rudd from the list of current members without anything concrete from the band. The band doesn't give concrete answers very often. When Rudd was fired in 1983, it was a tiny blurb in a magazine article. I'm not even saying that he's fired or that Chris is permanent at this point. Nobody knows. I am not opposed to keeping Rudd as a current member. I wonder if there's a way to have both Chris and Rudd listed as current members that we can all agree on? Chris is, without a doubt, doing all the duties that Phil would be doing if he weren't absent. I'm not looking for an either/or here, but a compromise where we can reflect actual circumstances in absence of any real information from the band. I want it to be factual for younger people and casual observers who may be exposed to the band for the first time, coming here to this site, to understand what they are seeing in the band. They may ask, why is Phil Rudd listed in the album, but this bald headed guy is playing drums? Does this article explain that? Yes, very vaguely in the narrative, but it doesn't very well in the quick look areas like the sidebar and down in the members section.
I don't want an edit war. I am not able to edit this semi-protected page or else I'd take a stab at it. Should a new section be added to the article to explain what is going on with the drummers the best we can without concrete information? It is a controversy, but one hard to find reliable sources because some news stories list Slade as the new drummer, others say he's filling in for Phil, etc. etc. The article writers don't even know how to word it. Nobody really knows. We could find reliable sources going either way. In conclusion, the reality is that Chris, at the very least, is filling in for Phil in Phil's absence. That doesn't mean that Phil is out. It doesn't mean Chris is permanent. But in reality, Chris has done all the duties that Phil would, not just live work. While the official statement mentions the tour, he has done more than just tour. As far as a future album, that we don't and cannot know. I'm not even sure if the band knows or cares at this point. They seem to be focused on their current tour. Furthermore, I don't think that question needs to be answered at this point for this article. Can we come to a compromise? 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 15:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC) Jack B. Nimble
I have reverted the edit that places Slade in the current line-up. Though I don't think Rudd is likely to come back, we can't change membership based on one live performance because we "think" it means he will do the whole tour. IMO its too soon to make a change and there is no source to support the edit. Flat Out let's discuss it 06:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if Rudd will return or not but it's a fact that Chris Slade is a band member now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasp-1992 ( talk • contribs) 03:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
we don't guess, or make assumptions based on photos or feelings etc. We wait for a reliable source. If you have sources for the changes please cite them. Flat Out let's discuss it 22:25, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Bb what are your thoughts here? The band is touring with Slade, Rudd's status is up in the air but seeing as they are only playing live for the foreseeable future (at least a year) it is possibly a moot point. Flat Out let's discuss it 20:02, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Just got back from a break. I don't see any sources saying that Rudd has left. Slade has been announced for the tour but not as a full-time member or anything else. As far as I can see he's a temporary member. Anything chucked into any AC/DC article without a reliable source will be removed. Bretonbanquet ( talk) 16:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
How about an interview that the LA Times just did with Brian Johnson dated April 9th, 2015? http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-coachella-acdc-20150409-story.html#page=1 In that article, Brian Johnson states: "You pick yourself up, dust yourself down and just keep going," said the frontman, instantly recognizable in his trademark black T-shirt and flat cap. "You live on, and you have a wonderful memory of them always with you, but you're not going to stop doing what you do. Otherwise, you die inside, you know? And we would die — I would, if I didn't do what I was doing. There'd be nothing." He paused as though suddenly aware of how serious he sounded. Then he laughed.
Notice the pronoun "them". 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 01:12, 12 April 2015 (UTC)Jack Sprat
Phil Rudd has left because because of legal troubles. Chris Slade replaced him. Their live performance at the Grammys can be threated as a "official statement". Wasp-1992 ( talk) 19:02, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
What in the world... was the compromise we reached that ACDC now has 2 active drummers? Putting both Rudd and Slade in the info box is NOT a valid compromise. It is up to debate which one is the official member, but nobody thinks the band has 2 drummers. We must keep it at Rudd until the issue is resolved, as he is the most recent confirmed drummer. Joshua0228 ( talk) 21:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Why this case is so complicated? The facts are very simple: -Chris Slade appears on official band photos -Chris Slade is a part of the Rock Or Bust world tour. -Chris Slade even confirmed by himself that he is back in the band on facebook. Wasp-1992 ( talk) 01:26, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Nah. They won't talk about it. They are probably reading this talk page right now and laughing as their loyal fans duke it out over small legal technicalities. If I was Slade I would be laughing as people tried to figure out what I am. Joshua0228 ( talk) 03:23, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
"CHRIS SLADE is the current drummer for AC/DC. Previously drumming for Michael Schenker, Manfred Mann's Earthband, Uriah Heep, ASIA, Tom Jones, The Firm, Gary Moore, Jimmy Page, David Gilmour, Gary Numan, Olivia Newton John, Count Basie etc. etc" Source: https://facebook.com/page/about.php?id=250282005103235&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_highlights Wasp-1992 ( talk) 00:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Bon Scott and Malcolm Young are still listed as members on the official website. Maybe the band has given them positions for life in the band, like they do to the leaders in North Korea (DPRK)? Why aren't they listed as official members then if we're going to use the official website as the end all, be all for defining who is a member or not? What the definition of a member is may be the better question here? Furthermore, the term being used in the article here is "current member" and currently, Slade is a member. To call him a former member like he is in the sidebar, while he's currently performing all the duties of the band's drummer reeks of politics more than reality. If some hipster from Coachella were to be exposed to the band for the first time, look them up here on Wikipedia, and see that Phil Rudd is the current drummer, would that make sense? It's not what they witnessed, is it? This article lists Slade as a former member. Maybe you want to call Slade, "Drummer pro tem" at this point until something more official, to the liking of the dissenters here, comes out. I certainly would not consider Phil a current member as he is not performing the duties of the band's drummer at present and Rudd himself stated he wants his job back, indicating that he no longer has it, but agreed, the band has been anything but clear about it. It might make better sense to list him in the current members list along with Slade, but notate it as situation undetermined. That would be a factual assessment of the current situation, and better than the current handling of it which doesn't represent what people would see when they actually go see the band this year, would it not? It's not as if bands haven't had two drummers before. 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 18:21, 16 April 2015 (UTC)Jack B. Nimble
The article mentioned where they said Chris was filling in for Phil was from MetalHammer and they were writing about an article where the Telegraph interviewed Brian Johnson. Nowhere in the original article was there a mention that Chris is just a fill in. MetalHammer Article: http://metalhammer.teamrock.com/news/2015-04-16/malcolm-inspired-ac-dc-world-tour Original Article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/11539723/Brian-Johnson-I-think-they-made-a-mistake-about-Jeremy-Clarkson.html
The article here on Wikipedia is factually incorrect by having the sidebar list Chris as a past member instead of current. As far as being a touring member only, that too is factually incorrect as he is doing publicity photos and music videos as well. He is doing everything that a band's drummer would do. The only question is whether he doing so temporarily or on a permanent basis, which is why I suggested the "pro tem" moniker in obvious futility. If you speak of consensus, then I ask you to read through all of the discussion here and it appears that the ones who are keeping the article as is, factually incorrect, are a couple of members with obvious Mod or Admin rights who are in the minority. Call it what you will, it is no longer a matter of editing by consensus, but by personal motivation and feelings on the matter. Phil may be considered by some to be the band's drummer "de jure", but Chris is the "de facto" drummer for the band currently. Anything that lists him as a past drummer is incorrect. By the looks of the arguments above, that seems to be the consensus of the majority. 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 15:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC) Jack B. Nimble
Chris Slade is the current drummer, and Phil Rudd is the former drummer. Several reliable sources in media have been provided, ex. interviews, publicity photos, etc. The "Pro-Rudd" camp here drag their feet, claiming a standard has to be reached to justify the change, and yet fail to specify what the exact threshold is. I have asked numerous times for what it would take to sway their opinion, i.e. a conviction in the criminal trial, a direct quote from the band along the lines of "Rudd's out, Slade's in," a web site update (which still lists Malcolm despite the consensus that he is now a former member despite the site's information), Rudd spontaneously combusting, Rudd choking on someone else's vomit, etc. No response is ever given that contains a definitive metric. All that is offered is a non-response to specific proposed sources when brought up and an implicit, "not good enough, moving on..." This reeks of OWN to me as it's from the same couple of users and why I left the discussion months ago, as I recognized an exercise in futility when I saw it. However, I will again state my opinion that Rudd should be relegated to former member and Slade to be promoted to current member, and hope that my refusal to engage in edit wars displays my good faith effort. Peace and love, as per Ringo. -- Bark ( talk) 18:27, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
I thought that wikipedia is based on facts and not on assumptions. Wasp-1992 ( talk) 23:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Now it's about who has ownership in the band? That's what makes them a member? You yourself admit that Stevie may be a hired hand, but yet he's listed as a current member, not a live member. How long can these convoluted excuses continue? I would think that a member of a band is the person who is performing the duties within the band. There are bands who have "part time" members, such as the Rolling Stones, but don't you think that there's a difference between Chuck Leavell and Chris Slade here? My solution, I believe, would depict an accurate snapshot of the band today, namely, having Chris as the drummer pro tem and Phil as situation unknown. How is that not factual? The only thing that I can see wrong with it is that it is hard to swallow for fans of Phil Rudd. That's not reason enough to hold this article up and refuse to make changes to reflect current facts. With regards to ownership, that information is seldom public knowledge, and certainly isn't public knowledge in this case. It's my understanding that Ace Frehely maintains or at least did have ownership in Kiss after he left, but was he still listed as a current member when Tommy Thayer took his spot? For that reason, I don't think ownership should define who is and who isn't a current band member, unless you wish to add a section to this article about band ownership and list the owners, if you could even get that information. Chris Slade is the current, meaning today, drummer of AC/DC. If Phil comes back, then Chris can return to the past member's column. Really, this shouldn't be about how to list Slade as his current position is quite clear. It is the position of Rudd which is in question. How should he be listed? 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 02:12, 18 April 2015 (UTC) Jack B. Nimble
Chris Slade is now listed as a band member on the officiell website, while Phil has been removed. Malcom and Bon are also listed, but Malcom is confirmed no longer being a member and Bon is past away. http://www.acdc.com/us/theband — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.218.247.166 ( talk) 21:23, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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Phil Rudd has been removed from the official website and Chris Slade is now listed as drums: http://www.acdc.com/us/theband However, on the Facebook page, they list everyone as the "touring lineup": https://www.facebook.com/acdc/info?tab=overview Very strange wording on the Facebook page, but official page has Chris as the drummer. I think my compromise is still valid.
1.Move Chris to current member of sidebar.
2. Remove "live drummer" label below. Move Chris to drums under current members and have his start date as 2015, leave Phil as current member, put end date as 2014, but leave him as current member until further word comes down.
3. I would also suggest adding a section to the article regarding the drum situation to try and explain to those learning about the band, maybe for the first time, that it's a lot of question marks at the drummer position. Please add the following:
Due to problems with Phil Rudd not showing up on time for recording, not showing up for the music videos, “Play Ball” and “Rock or Bust”, and because of legal issues in New Zealand, Phil Rudd has been unable to participate in the Rock or Bust Tour or discharge any duties as the band’s drummer since November 2014. [1]
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Speculation regarding Chris’s return to AC/DC started shortly after Phil Rudd’s legal problems became public. In a December 2014 podcast by Chris Jericho, Jericho mentioned that he had it on good authority that Chris Slade would be returning to AC/DC. [1]
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Chris was photographed signing albums with the band on February 7th, 2015. [1]
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After the photo appeared publicly, Chris finally admitted that he was going to be the band’s drummer and admitted to secrecy surrounding his return, and stated that it was done for the right reasons. [1]
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Since Chris’s return, the band has issued a statement stating that, “Chris Slade will be on drums for the upcoming Rock or Bust world tour.” [1]
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Since that time, Chris has appeared in all promotional photos taken with the band and appeared in the music video for the single, “Rock the Blues Away.” On April 21st, 2015, Phil Rudd plead guilty to possession of cannabis and methamphetamine, as well as one charge of “threatening to kill.” He awaits sentencing on June 26th, 2015, but his attorney has stated that they will seek to have charges discharged without conviction. [1]
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On April 25th, 2015, the band have changed their official website to reflect Chris as the band’s drummer and have removed Phil Rudd. [1] On their Facebook page, they list all of the members as touring members. [2]
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Neither AC/DC, Phil Rudd, or Chris Slade have commented on whether or not Chris’s tenure with the band will be permanent or not. No comments have been made whether or not Phil Rudd is still with the band.
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I will also add, for those who may think that I am a sock puppet, that I have finally registered for an account, so I will sign with my registered name, Jack Bee Nimble as Jack B. Nimble was already taken. I am the same person. Since I am a new member, I cannot edit the semi-protected page yet. Jack Bee Nimble ( talk) 23:55, 28 April 2015 (UTC)Jack Bee Nimble
Can the semi-protection be lifted on this article? I'd like to take a stab at it and update it more than just listing Slade as the current drummer. Phil still hasn't been publicly fired. I am in agreement with Chris being listed as current drummer, but think Phil should be left as a current member on the sidebar until we hear further, and list Phil as status unknown, or something to that effect down below. The article can explain the situation to readers. I wrote the section up above that I'd like to weave into this article to help people understand what is going on. To be honest, it's pretty clear that Chris is the current drummer and has been since February, but what isn't clear is Phil's status. He hasn't done any drum duties since 2014, so that would make a better end date for him. I have a pretty good idea how to do it, but this article needs to be unlocked first so I can take a stab at it. I think I can do it in an honest, fair way that explains the situation to people coming to this site for information. Jack Bee Nimble ( talk) 22:34, 29 April 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble
Accuracy has always been my goal, which if you take a look, is why I am opposed to removing Rudd as a current member in the sidebar, despite my wanting to add Slade when he clearly was doing drum duties. Can you tell me specifically what drum duties Rudd did in 2015? Can you reliably source them other than Phil being listed in a clearly outdated website? The decision to have Slade return happened in 2014. Jack Slade, Chris's son told me that his father knew at Thanksgiving 2014 that he was returning to the band, not that I can reliably source that as it was a conversation between him and me, and therefore not in any article, but it is the truth. If I could reliably source it, I'd call for making Slade's start date in 2014, which is when he actually went to America after Christmas to start practicing with the band. That I can reliably source from Chris's Facebook page. It shows him in Las Vegas getting the very same drum set that he used on the Grammys, but doesn't say at that point that he's going to play with AC/DC. His wife's Facebook page does hint to it though. But, all of that being said, I am in agreement that a 2015 date for Slade is appropriate as that is when the band decided to make it known to the world.
I wonder if Bretonbanquet and Flat Out are able to take a NPOV on this article? I have make pretty concise and laid out reasoning for some time for Chris to be listed as the band's current drummer. I've even been accused of being a sock puppet! Chris started being the band's current drummer when he appeared on the Grammys. Phil quit being the current drummer either when he didn't show up for the "Let's Play Ball" and "Rock or Bust" videos in October of 2014 or when his legal problems became public in November 2014. He hasn't done a thing with the band since. Whether or not he is still a member is something that none of us know. Tell me where my statements are inaccurate. Jack Bee Nimble ( talk) 00:43, 30 April 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble
I would not have to rehash if you would actually address points and concerns that I bring up instead of doing or saying nothing. Your words "not that accuracy would bother some of you." and "We are not a news site. We are not a fan info site." certainly aren't inflammatory, are they? This is why I wonder if you are coming from a neutral position or not? Every thing that you have brought up for keeping Phil as current drummer, I have addressed. You then say nothing. I never suggested that my conversation with Chris Slade's son counted as verifiable, in fact, if you re-read what I wrote above, you'll see that I said that if it could be verified, I would be pushing for a 2014 date instead of 2015. I'm agreeing on a 2015 start date for Slade. I really feel like I'm trying to be fair and accurate, but that I'm getting a lot of blowback from you. You're not addressing my points on matter of fact, but on vague technicality. How about answering my questions regarding what drumming Phil Rudd did in 2015? I read through WP:BLP and didn't see anything from putting Rudd's end date as 2014. To be honest, it's quite a voluminous article. Can you provide the specific rule that you think it infringes? Could you also address my question as to what I have written that you find non-factual? I would love to take this to a new level and have editors who have no horse in the race take a look at the article. I do not agree with Phil Rudd being placed in the past members column. Wouldn't you think if I had an axe to grind against him, or was just a cheerleader for Slade, that I'd be happy with the article as is? Whether you believe it or not, I am trying to be accurate. P.S., I suggested an edit to this semi-protected page and am I to assume that it has been answered in the negative because I have heard nothing on it? 67.224.16.233 ( talk) 03:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble
Is the current drummer of AC/DC Phil Rudd or Chris Slade? -- Bark ( talk) 14:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Until the band itself (or maybe the label) officially says otherwise... Rudd. Victão Lopes Fala! 22:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Since I am still a "new" editor, I am unable to edit this semi-protected article. Could someone take a look at the section, "Rock or Bust, Rock or Bust World Tour, departure of Malcolm Young and Phil Rudd (2011–present)" and consider breaking it into smaller sections, and rewriting it in a manner that doesn't look like a bunch of snippets strung together? I would suggest a section covering the time between the end of the Black Ice World Tour and the recording of Rock or Bust 2011-2014, where they released Live at River Plate. It doesn't have to be a very long section, but then add a new section for Rock or Bust to present (2014 to present). The article also doesn't mention much about the tour, including the two shows at Coachella before heading to Europe. It could also be mentioned that the shows are all stadium shows with fireworks.
A link could be added to direct to the album: /info/en/?search=Rock_or_Bust A link could be added to direct to the tour: /info/en/?search=Rock_or_Bust_World_Tour
I am a new editor, and I suppose I could go through the motions of a formal edit request, but last time I did that, my sources got all mangled up on this talk page and it would be better to have a more experienced editor tackle this until such time as I gain the privilege to edit semi-protected articles. Thank you. Jack Bee Nimble ( talk) 06:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC) Jack Bee Nimble
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Not done - there has been extensive discussion on this point and consensus reached that heavy metal is not representative of what the majority of reliable sources have to say about the subject.
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I am a massive fan of AC/DC but I would think the page would be more appealing if there was a more recent image placed at the top of the article, maybe something that shows Stevie Young and Chris Slade? 86.158.76.109 ( talk) 21:15, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Colin Burgess is mentioned in the text but isn't on the timeline diagram. It looks odd to have a rock band wityh no drumm,er for their first year... can he be added? Stub Mandrel ( talk) 12:44, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
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Please change Ac/Dc's genres to blues rock, Classic Rock. They're not really Hard Rock. 75.90.79.117 ( talk) 02:44, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
This part in the article says this era is the current one. With Brian out of the band this is no longer true. Please update the page to saying: Brian Johnson Era (1980 to 2016) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.247.53.226 ( talk) 04:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Based on this recent statement issued by Johnson he is not officially out of the band. Axl Rose will be completing this tour with them but Brian (nor the rest of the band) confirmed his dismissal/retirement. Johnson did specifically say that he plans on recording in the studio (presumably with) AC/DC in the future and he hopes to one day rejoin them on stage. http://loudwire.com/brian-johnson-statement-acdc-departure/ sk8punk3d288 ( talk) 06:52, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't see how this can be about consensus, officially it has not been stated that he is no longer a member of the band. What has been stated officially is that Axl Rose will be featured as a "guest singer" and Brian plans on recording with them in the studio for future albums as a member of the band
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Brian Johnson is now a past member. The band made it official on their website: "AC/DC band members would like to thank Brian Johnson for his contributions and dedication to the band throughout the years. We wish him all the best with his hearing issues and future ventures." - See more at: http://www.acdc.com/news?n_id=278#sthash.7B3aER2S.dpuf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.25.65 ( talk) 11:37, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
On April 17th 2016, AC/DC announced that due to the degradation of his hearing, Brian Johnson had parted ways with the band in friendly terms. Johnson, who was with the band since the death of previous singer Bon Scott on the 19th of February 1980, has been replaced by former Guns N' Roses singer Axl Rose. The news came in the form of a statement from the band which listed various 2016 tour dates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamezrodriegez ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd have Axl listed as a touring member or guest. Bluorangefyre ( talk) 20:57, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd be interested in collecting some comments and coming to a consensus about whether Brian Johnson should be considered a "past member" and Axl Rose a "current member". The language used in the press release indicates that Rose is helping them complete the tour. It feels like Johnson is officially out of the band (things like "we wish him the best in future endeavors") but Rose is an not an official full member. He seems like more of a touring musician. Thoughts? -- Laser brain (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
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So, a new news release from AC/DC and Brian state he's not retiring, but not playing big concerts for the time being. I can't tell if this 'not retiring' mean from AC/DC or from all music in general. http://www.acdc.com/news?n_id=279 Deathstrike9k ( talk) 21:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
There was no "release from AC/DC and Brian". AC/DC merely reprinted Brian's comments. Brian's words are his and his alone. That's an important difference. There was also no comment about, or from, Brian not playing big concerts "for the time being." ( Sellpink ( talk) 15:14, 8 May 2016 (UTC))
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Hello, i have added a recent and clearer image, with a caption and alt, of the group in the infobox. I have moved the previous photo to the Black Ice (2008–11) section.
"AC/DC are an Australian hard rock band..." This quote is taken from the start of the article - but I'm not sure if they should be called 'Australian' when there are various members or past members who are NOT from down under. For instance: Bryan Jonson (from the North-East of England), Axel Rose (American) or Bon Scott, who might have lived in Australia and is buried there, but he was born in Scotland. It might be better to start with: "AC/DC are a hard rock band that was formed in Australia..."
What do other editors think?
RASAM ( talk) 13:50, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
A user is repeatedly inserting the following passage: "During the Rock or Bust World Tour tour, some AC/DC fans and medias [1] funnily (and appropriately) renamed the band "AXL/DC"." Aside from being badly written, I believe this is trivia and not worth including in a Featured article. This user's normal operating procedure is to ignore WP:BRD and edit war whenever they are challenged, so I'd like to build consensus here one way or another. -- Laser brain (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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How is it that with all the hits this page gets, nobody has mentioned that the AC/DC album "WHO MADE WHO" (1986) is NOT listed in the DISCOGRAPHY section? The album sold over 5 million copies (5x Platinum) so how was it skipped? Are there any OTHER AC/DC albums that are also missing from this article? /info/en/?search=Who_Made_Who — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.129.26.145 ( talk) 21:00, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
Over the past 25 years AC/DC has been one of the most monetarily successful bands worldwide coming in at 25th on the list of Top Live Performers from 1990-2014.<ref> <ref>Waddell, Ray.
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AC/DC's current official band page (official source) [5] lists Brian Johnson as a CURRENT member of AC/DC, however, the Wikipedia article concerning AC/DC lists Brian Johnson as a PAST member (with no valid source reference(s)s provided). Nowhere in the band's official press releases or statements does it specifically state Brian Johnson is no longer part of the band. Hearsay from friends of Brian Johnson is not considered an official source. Please provide an official source for the recent update of the page or correct the entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.141.174 ( talk) 12:53, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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It is very common to add a 'stylised as' note (stylised as AC⚡️DC) to names with unusual spelling. See for instance
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Spinal Tap. It was removed twice with the reason it was discussed in the past. The "discussion" entailed three lines of talk in 2012. That hardly counts as consensus, so I will reinstate it until there is a real argument here to not include it. Note that "may not show" was a thing of the past (notably WinXP/IE6 related) and unicode support is mature now. The actual sign is U+26A1 ⚡ HIGH VOLTAGE SIGN, which is pretty standard since Unicode 1.0. I'll note that the cited discussion used a different sign; U+03DF ϟ GREEK SMALL LETTER KOPPA, and wrongly asumed that would display as a square. Being a standard greek letter, that would not happen (but it is not the proper glyph). -- [[
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11:06, 4 July 2016 (UTC)I have been adding the category Pioneers of music genres more than one time, but Laser brain repeatedly reverted my changes, even when I was explaining why AC/DC are considered pioneers of at least one musical genre. Portal:AC/DC claims they're pioneers of hard rock and heavy metal, while several sources call them pioneers of hard rock: [6] [7] [8] [9]. 2602:306:BDA9:8610:49CD:7AC5:67D5:A1BF ( talk) 00:16, 16 September 2016 (UTC)