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Could anyone add anything about, specifically, Lord of the Rings Online (Turbine) .abc, please?
Halcyonhalogen ( talk) 17:51, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I just reverted a wholesale removal of external links. In my opinion, many, if not all, of these links add encyclopedic value to the article, and their presence does not amount to a "mere collection of external links". __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 19:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Having looked through all of the external links, it seems to me that very few of them impart information not in the article, which is the intended purpose of external links. A number of them are to abcnotation.com; I can't see anything to be gained by providing multiple links to different pages of the same site, and I note that we are in agreement that the site as a whole is a valid external link, so we can reduce that to just the one. Most of the others are to directories of music in ABC notation; I don't see that they add anything substantive to the article beyond proving that they exist, and WP is not a collection of links, so I think a removal is legitimate. Others are to assorted bits of software, which, again, prove nothing beyond their existence. Such links might belong on a List of ABC collections and software page (or pages), if such a thing were deemed notable - I have no particular thoughts on whether they are or not - but I don't think they belong here. Another link is to the WP PySynth page, which isn't external, and so belongs under "See Also", not in the external links section. The only deleted link that I think might be okay is to the ABC FAQ. It may not add much encyclopedic information to that in the article, but it is presented differently, and I think could justifiably be useful. Anaxial ( talk) 11:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC) |
I have requested a third opinion as there is still no agreement. Michael An on 08:01, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hi. First off, sorry for rolling back the most recent change. I was trying to view the history when my mouse wheel jumped and I clicked rollback by mistake. The external link guidance does not particularly talk about related online tools. The link to the tune converter doesn't violate any of the caveats in the policy, and is arguably "useful" which is one of the possible criteria for link inclusion. I think it would be a very narrow view to say that every external link must be purely informative in the traditional sense. In terms of collections of music in this notation, I think the abcnotation.com link is sufficient, since it in turn includes many links to collections. I don't think we need to directly link to them if we are linking to what amounts to a directory site already. Hope this helps. Gigs ( talk) 13:49, 21 September 2012 (UTC) |
Hi, I love that there is an example of how this works and turns into notation. Yet it did not include all the letters used in notation. For example, the piece has no C in it. Also, there is no indication in the example of how sharps and flats and all might work. Also, what if it goes into the Bass Clef? or far above the Treble Clef? Etc. And 1/16 notes? And others? Etc. It would be great to see a more complete example included in the article, especially for those who don't wish to hunt it down elsewhere. Would someone like to add a more-complete example of ABC notation? Thanks! Misty MH ( talk) 00:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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Not sure if I'm requesting this properly, but: Could we have a better example of ABC and its parallel music notation? One common question is whether the note C in the staff (3rd space from bottom) is represented as upper case "C" or lower case "c". The example given has no occurrences of that note!
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I note that this edit by a first-time editor of this article has entirely removed all external links. In my opinion, this makes the article much less useful. There are now a whole lot of projects listed which are impossible to find, because their names are generic (previously, it was easy because the name was linked to the project page). If nobody objects, I would prefer to either add them all back in or reformat them as "references" instead of external links (perhaps that's allowed under the silly one-size-fits-all rules? In any case, there's always WP:IAR-abg). Esn ( talk) 11:39, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
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Given the tags on the article, which of the, "listed sources," does this article use that, "may not be reliable," and why may these sources not be reliable? Hyacinth ( talk) 02:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
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Could anyone add anything about, specifically, Lord of the Rings Online (Turbine) .abc, please?
Halcyonhalogen ( talk) 17:51, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I just reverted a wholesale removal of external links. In my opinion, many, if not all, of these links add encyclopedic value to the article, and their presence does not amount to a "mere collection of external links". __ Just plain Bill ( talk) 19:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Having looked through all of the external links, it seems to me that very few of them impart information not in the article, which is the intended purpose of external links. A number of them are to abcnotation.com; I can't see anything to be gained by providing multiple links to different pages of the same site, and I note that we are in agreement that the site as a whole is a valid external link, so we can reduce that to just the one. Most of the others are to directories of music in ABC notation; I don't see that they add anything substantive to the article beyond proving that they exist, and WP is not a collection of links, so I think a removal is legitimate. Others are to assorted bits of software, which, again, prove nothing beyond their existence. Such links might belong on a List of ABC collections and software page (or pages), if such a thing were deemed notable - I have no particular thoughts on whether they are or not - but I don't think they belong here. Another link is to the WP PySynth page, which isn't external, and so belongs under "See Also", not in the external links section. The only deleted link that I think might be okay is to the ABC FAQ. It may not add much encyclopedic information to that in the article, but it is presented differently, and I think could justifiably be useful. Anaxial ( talk) 11:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC) |
I have requested a third opinion as there is still no agreement. Michael An on 08:01, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
Hi. First off, sorry for rolling back the most recent change. I was trying to view the history when my mouse wheel jumped and I clicked rollback by mistake. The external link guidance does not particularly talk about related online tools. The link to the tune converter doesn't violate any of the caveats in the policy, and is arguably "useful" which is one of the possible criteria for link inclusion. I think it would be a very narrow view to say that every external link must be purely informative in the traditional sense. In terms of collections of music in this notation, I think the abcnotation.com link is sufficient, since it in turn includes many links to collections. I don't think we need to directly link to them if we are linking to what amounts to a directory site already. Hope this helps. Gigs ( talk) 13:49, 21 September 2012 (UTC) |
Hi, I love that there is an example of how this works and turns into notation. Yet it did not include all the letters used in notation. For example, the piece has no C in it. Also, there is no indication in the example of how sharps and flats and all might work. Also, what if it goes into the Bass Clef? or far above the Treble Clef? Etc. And 1/16 notes? And others? Etc. It would be great to see a more complete example included in the article, especially for those who don't wish to hunt it down elsewhere. Would someone like to add a more-complete example of ABC notation? Thanks! Misty MH ( talk) 00:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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Not sure if I'm requesting this properly, but: Could we have a better example of ABC and its parallel music notation? One common question is whether the note C in the staff (3rd space from bottom) is represented as upper case "C" or lower case "c". The example given has no occurrences of that note!
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I note that this edit by a first-time editor of this article has entirely removed all external links. In my opinion, this makes the article much less useful. There are now a whole lot of projects listed which are impossible to find, because their names are generic (previously, it was easy because the name was linked to the project page). If nobody objects, I would prefer to either add them all back in or reformat them as "references" instead of external links (perhaps that's allowed under the silly one-size-fits-all rules? In any case, there's always WP:IAR-abg). Esn ( talk) 11:39, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
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Given the tags on the article, which of the, "listed sources," does this article use that, "may not be reliable," and why may these sources not be reliable? Hyacinth ( talk) 02:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
PatriciaJH ( talk) 19:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)