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There is still more info in the various clarinet books but esp. Basil Tschaikov's section of the Cambridge Companion to cite for this article. Much to do. But no longer a stub. -- Myke Cuthbert 17:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The Rough Guide to the Clarinet mentions that above E-flat there are piccolo clarinets in E and A-flat. I've never heard of a high E-natural clarinet--I am assuming a typo for F or G, but figured I'd put it here and see if anyone knows anything about it. -- Myke Cuthbert 06:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
is used in Prokofiev's 5th symphony? Aviad2001 22:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I added back commented out keywords for the article. They were removed by Melodia and Rsholmes with the comment "Google will pick up because of the redirects." But Google hasn't. A search on "Ab clarinet wikipedia" or "A-flat clarinet wikipedia" does not find this article. Since there's no good reason to add "Ab" to the article, but it is an important search term, I've put the keywords back.
Also suggest that we remove the infobox. It doesn't add any information that's not found in the article, and it adds gaps (esp. Playing Range) that look unprofessional. For instance, what's a related instrument? Is it something that is similarly unusual, like a sopranino sarrusophone? or something equally high like a piccolo flute? "Soprano clarinet" seems an odd related instrument compared to just "clarinet", but that doesn't really fit because it's a related family of instruments. Plus the infobox removed important pieces of information from the old caption--the maker of the instrument and its key--without adding anything worthwhile in return. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Are there any videos of this thing being played online? Badagnani ( talk) 23:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, a video is here (right hand side): http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/ugw/ugwf1e.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjprice1 ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC) and a sound-only recording, here: http://www.schwenk-und-seggelke.de/media/klarinette_AS-G_2.wma And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN4OX-yefbY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
I noticed that if you search "Sopranino Clarinet" you are redirected to here. Shouldn't this redirect you to the E-flat Clarinet page? User:XEspmasterX 20:02, 6 November 2011
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for several weeks. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:25, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Piccolo clarinet →
A-flat clarinet – I've always been uncomfortable with the term "piccolo clarinet" for this article which, as far as I can tell, only has a usage in the instrument list in the Finale software, and isn't attributed in any of the literature cited. The best name would be "A-flat and higher clarinets" or "Clarinets above E-flat" but that probably would be rejected. "Octave clarinets" is more common. The precedent at "E-flat clarinet" (which includes the D clarinet) would be to call it "A-flat clarinet" and then also redirect the higher clarinets here. Piccolo clarinet referred to all clarinets above the C clarinet (and even sometimes the C) and generally also included the E-flat. Thoughts? --
Michael Scott Cuthbert
(talk) 19:37, 11 December 2015 (UTC)--Relisted.
Tiggerjay (
talk) 02:21, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
A bass guitar? In the 1880s? Really? The Belgian Ocelot ( talk) 17:54, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I've dropped some suggestions over on the WikiProject Musical Instruments discussion, but here's a couple of more useful sources to mine:
— Jon ( talk) 04:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
"The usage of the term 'piccolo clarinet' to refer specifically to the A♭ clarinet, found in some music software, does not appear before the twenty-first century."— given the A♭ is essentially an Italian instrument, and has been called (in Italian) a clarinetto/clarino piccolo since its introduction in the early 19th century (along with other small clarinets), e.g. Bellini (1844), Verdi scores, Orsi and other maker catalogues, other writers ( c.f. Rice 2017); Rice also discusses the (lack of consistent) small clarinet nomenclature, and lack of reliable sources of information in general (p. 135); Ripamonti call their A♭ a clarinetto piccolo since at least 1980; Shackleton's Grove entry (8th ed. published 2001 but substantially written in earlier editions) calls them piccolo clarinets, as does Lawson (p. 33) and Tchaikov (p. 54) in the 1995 Cambridge Companion; American composer William Neil's 1987 "Concerto for Piccolo Clarinet" (for E♭; catalog; YouTube; Tchaikov in Cambridge Companion p. 51, note 5); This all pre-dates widespread use of notation software. Quite separately, I suspect that if manufacturers, musicologists and composers have all been calling them piccolo clarinets for over 20 years, and nearly 200 years in Italian, then we can say that they are nowadays (at least "often") known as piccolo clarinets. I don't think notation software comes into it, really. — Jon ( talk) 04:47, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
The A-flat (A♭) clarinet is the most common member of the highest-pitched instruments of the clarinet family.) could be technically correct, but it sounds potentially very misleading (as if it is saying it is the most common type of clarinet) especially if you gloss over a key word or have low familiarity with the rest of the clarinet family. Perhaps the lede can be rewritten to prevent this type of misreading. Hftf ( talk) 06:03, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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I think there can be more said about the A♭ in Italy, which is where it principally survived the tumultuous early 20th century, particularly in military bands. It has also been used by many Italian composers (perhaps less well-known outside Italy) in both band and classical music. Italian writers and musicians such as Adriano Amore and Giovanni di Lorenzo (not the football player) have interesting material we can source. [1] — Jon ( talk) 23:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Jon ( talk) 23:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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Jonathanischoice, you know the drill by now so I'll skip the boring bits. I'll start working on this review soon, at least within the week. As a clarinettist, I'm excited to get started and spotcheck with my own copies! All the best,
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common B♭ clarinet, and pitched a minor seventh higher: remove comma since we are still discussing the Bb - S
Around the beginning of the 19th century several: comma needed after century for clarity - S
Of the three highest and smallest "octave" clarinets [...] only 28 centimetres (11 in) long: I think a split is called for after "bands" - S
Note the greater difference in size between A♭ and E♭ than between E♭ and B♭: why should we note this? It isn't mentioned in text and seems unnecessary to say. - S
A-flat clarinet has been listed as one of the
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There is still more info in the various clarinet books but esp. Basil Tschaikov's section of the Cambridge Companion to cite for this article. Much to do. But no longer a stub. -- Myke Cuthbert 17:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The Rough Guide to the Clarinet mentions that above E-flat there are piccolo clarinets in E and A-flat. I've never heard of a high E-natural clarinet--I am assuming a typo for F or G, but figured I'd put it here and see if anyone knows anything about it. -- Myke Cuthbert 06:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
is used in Prokofiev's 5th symphony? Aviad2001 22:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I added back commented out keywords for the article. They were removed by Melodia and Rsholmes with the comment "Google will pick up because of the redirects." But Google hasn't. A search on "Ab clarinet wikipedia" or "A-flat clarinet wikipedia" does not find this article. Since there's no good reason to add "Ab" to the article, but it is an important search term, I've put the keywords back.
Also suggest that we remove the infobox. It doesn't add any information that's not found in the article, and it adds gaps (esp. Playing Range) that look unprofessional. For instance, what's a related instrument? Is it something that is similarly unusual, like a sopranino sarrusophone? or something equally high like a piccolo flute? "Soprano clarinet" seems an odd related instrument compared to just "clarinet", but that doesn't really fit because it's a related family of instruments. Plus the infobox removed important pieces of information from the old caption--the maker of the instrument and its key--without adding anything worthwhile in return. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Are there any videos of this thing being played online? Badagnani ( talk) 23:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, a video is here (right hand side): http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/ugw/ugwf1e.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjprice1 ( talk • contribs) 21:25, 8 August 2010 (UTC) and a sound-only recording, here: http://www.schwenk-und-seggelke.de/media/klarinette_AS-G_2.wma And here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN4OX-yefbY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
I noticed that if you search "Sopranino Clarinet" you are redirected to here. Shouldn't this redirect you to the E-flat Clarinet page? User:XEspmasterX 20:02, 6 November 2011
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for several weeks. Jenks24 ( talk) 05:25, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Piccolo clarinet →
A-flat clarinet – I've always been uncomfortable with the term "piccolo clarinet" for this article which, as far as I can tell, only has a usage in the instrument list in the Finale software, and isn't attributed in any of the literature cited. The best name would be "A-flat and higher clarinets" or "Clarinets above E-flat" but that probably would be rejected. "Octave clarinets" is more common. The precedent at "E-flat clarinet" (which includes the D clarinet) would be to call it "A-flat clarinet" and then also redirect the higher clarinets here. Piccolo clarinet referred to all clarinets above the C clarinet (and even sometimes the C) and generally also included the E-flat. Thoughts? --
Michael Scott Cuthbert
(talk) 19:37, 11 December 2015 (UTC)--Relisted.
Tiggerjay (
talk) 02:21, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
A bass guitar? In the 1880s? Really? The Belgian Ocelot ( talk) 17:54, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I've dropped some suggestions over on the WikiProject Musical Instruments discussion, but here's a couple of more useful sources to mine:
— Jon ( talk) 04:31, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
"The usage of the term 'piccolo clarinet' to refer specifically to the A♭ clarinet, found in some music software, does not appear before the twenty-first century."— given the A♭ is essentially an Italian instrument, and has been called (in Italian) a clarinetto/clarino piccolo since its introduction in the early 19th century (along with other small clarinets), e.g. Bellini (1844), Verdi scores, Orsi and other maker catalogues, other writers ( c.f. Rice 2017); Rice also discusses the (lack of consistent) small clarinet nomenclature, and lack of reliable sources of information in general (p. 135); Ripamonti call their A♭ a clarinetto piccolo since at least 1980; Shackleton's Grove entry (8th ed. published 2001 but substantially written in earlier editions) calls them piccolo clarinets, as does Lawson (p. 33) and Tchaikov (p. 54) in the 1995 Cambridge Companion; American composer William Neil's 1987 "Concerto for Piccolo Clarinet" (for E♭; catalog; YouTube; Tchaikov in Cambridge Companion p. 51, note 5); This all pre-dates widespread use of notation software. Quite separately, I suspect that if manufacturers, musicologists and composers have all been calling them piccolo clarinets for over 20 years, and nearly 200 years in Italian, then we can say that they are nowadays (at least "often") known as piccolo clarinets. I don't think notation software comes into it, really. — Jon ( talk) 04:47, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
The A-flat (A♭) clarinet is the most common member of the highest-pitched instruments of the clarinet family.) could be technically correct, but it sounds potentially very misleading (as if it is saying it is the most common type of clarinet) especially if you gloss over a key word or have low familiarity with the rest of the clarinet family. Perhaps the lede can be rewritten to prevent this type of misreading. Hftf ( talk) 06:03, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
References
I think there can be more said about the A♭ in Italy, which is where it principally survived the tumultuous early 20th century, particularly in military bands. It has also been used by many Italian composers (perhaps less well-known outside Italy) in both band and classical music. Italian writers and musicians such as Adriano Amore and Giovanni di Lorenzo (not the football player) have interesting material we can source. [1] — Jon ( talk) 23:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
References
Jon ( talk) 23:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Schminnte ( talk · contribs) 08:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello @
Jonathanischoice, you know the drill by now so I'll skip the boring bits. I'll start working on this review soon, at least within the week. As a clarinettist, I'm excited to get started and spotcheck with my own copies! All the best,
Schminnte [
talk to me 08:21, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
common B♭ clarinet, and pitched a minor seventh higher: remove comma since we are still discussing the Bb - S
Around the beginning of the 19th century several: comma needed after century for clarity - S
Of the three highest and smallest "octave" clarinets [...] only 28 centimetres (11 in) long: I think a split is called for after "bands" - S
Note the greater difference in size between A♭ and E♭ than between E♭ and B♭: why should we note this? It isn't mentioned in text and seems unnecessary to say. - S