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The values given here can't be correct:
Gun | Ammo | m/kG | v0/m/s | Ekin/MJ |
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Kwk36 | Pzgr39 | 10.2 | 773 | 3.05 |
Kwk36 | Pzgr40 | 7.3 | 930 | 3.16 |
Kwk43 | Pzgr39 | 10.2 | 1000 | 5.10 |
Kwk43 | Pzgr40 | 7.3 | 1030 | 3.87 |
Kwk43 | Pzgr40 | 7.3 | (1200) | (5.26) |
See? Shot with the KwK36 the APCR round has a slightly (3%) higher KE than than the AP round, but not so with the KwK43. This can't be since the propellant charges are the same. I've added a more likely 1200m/s I found on the net ( http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/88-mm.asp ) which also gives 3% more KE. 84.73.129.190 ( talk) 23:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
The picture of the Tiger II ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tiger-II-La_Gleize.jpg) does not show a 8,8cm kwk43. The barrel of the original 8,8cm was cut off shortly after the tank was left by the germans. After the war a 7,5cm L70 canon of a Panther was bonded onto the remaining part ofthe 8,8cm kwk43.
http://www.ss501panzer.com/213_restoration.htm
I edited in the Tiger II picture of the german Tiger II articel with shows a real KwK43.
79.207.199.59 ( talk) 12:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
How about adding some pictures of the ammunition? What about pictures of maintenance crews working on the weapon or in-action shots of the KwK43, especially through the sights or from a crewman's / gunner's perspective?
```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.117.104 ( talk) 08:27, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Regarding the following reverted addition:
Firstly; this shouldn't be in the lead, per WP:LEAD. Second; "powerful" is a meaningless WP:PEACOCK term and shouldn't be used. Third; the wording is clumsy and illogical. Please follow WP:BRD - you have made your Bold edit, it has been Reverted - now you need to Discuss and gain consensus. ( Hohum @) 13:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
As discussed in Talk:8.8 cm KwK 36, the second column cannot be real combat accuracy. Also, JENTZ's book is more reliable than fprado.com, which in turn actually quotes JENTZ making the whole citation irrelevant. Why cite the site when you can cite JENTZ directly? -- MaxRavenclaw ( talk) 10:19, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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The values given here can't be correct:
Gun | Ammo | m/kG | v0/m/s | Ekin/MJ |
---|---|---|---|---|
Kwk36 | Pzgr39 | 10.2 | 773 | 3.05 |
Kwk36 | Pzgr40 | 7.3 | 930 | 3.16 |
Kwk43 | Pzgr39 | 10.2 | 1000 | 5.10 |
Kwk43 | Pzgr40 | 7.3 | 1030 | 3.87 |
Kwk43 | Pzgr40 | 7.3 | (1200) | (5.26) |
See? Shot with the KwK36 the APCR round has a slightly (3%) higher KE than than the AP round, but not so with the KwK43. This can't be since the propellant charges are the same. I've added a more likely 1200m/s I found on the net ( http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/guns/88-mm.asp ) which also gives 3% more KE. 84.73.129.190 ( talk) 23:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
The picture of the Tiger II ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tiger-II-La_Gleize.jpg) does not show a 8,8cm kwk43. The barrel of the original 8,8cm was cut off shortly after the tank was left by the germans. After the war a 7,5cm L70 canon of a Panther was bonded onto the remaining part ofthe 8,8cm kwk43.
http://www.ss501panzer.com/213_restoration.htm
I edited in the Tiger II picture of the german Tiger II articel with shows a real KwK43.
79.207.199.59 ( talk) 12:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
How about adding some pictures of the ammunition? What about pictures of maintenance crews working on the weapon or in-action shots of the KwK43, especially through the sights or from a crewman's / gunner's perspective?
```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.117.104 ( talk) 08:27, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Regarding the following reverted addition:
Firstly; this shouldn't be in the lead, per WP:LEAD. Second; "powerful" is a meaningless WP:PEACOCK term and shouldn't be used. Third; the wording is clumsy and illogical. Please follow WP:BRD - you have made your Bold edit, it has been Reverted - now you need to Discuss and gain consensus. ( Hohum @) 13:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
As discussed in Talk:8.8 cm KwK 36, the second column cannot be real combat accuracy. Also, JENTZ's book is more reliable than fprado.com, which in turn actually quotes JENTZ making the whole citation irrelevant. Why cite the site when you can cite JENTZ directly? -- MaxRavenclaw ( talk) 10:19, 23 September 2015 (UTC)