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I'm glad this article was recently added. However, it needs some serious cleanup for flow, links, etc. I am going to start working on it. Beanbatch 19:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
In general, this is not the right article to document the entire history and issues of racial bigotry in the Army. The quotes did prove the point, but belong better in article such as Desegregation or African American history. Perhaps a general article on African American Soldiers should be started. There is History of African Americans in the Civil War, but we should cover more recent wars. The coverage of Jackie Robinson's story really shows this the best, I think. Beanbatch 21:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Took out all superscripts for 761st. Really hard to read with these, the line spacing gets wacky. Beanbatch 21:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Howdy,
Please discuss. WikiDon 22:09, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
2) My apologies. It appeared to me that the article was fairly new, and had some seemingly randomly ordered and repetitive insertions recently. My main goal here was to try an organize the info / flow better. We can get back whatever we need to restore from the article's history list. It is NOT lost.
3) Since this article is titled U.S. 761st Tank Battalion, it should really focus on the 761st, but we can refer to them. I put them under "See also". Hopefully, someone will add articles for them down the road. However, I did restore some of the deleted content about one of the units.
4) I wanted to leave in the 2nd Patton speech, about "..I don't care what color you are..". However there were several problems with the section as it was:
These inconsistencies led me to not trust the context of the quote at all, so I removed it. It looked to me more like a pre-combat pep talk than something post-combat. However, I have attempted to restore Patton section, with the before and after quotes. Tell me what you think. It would be really good to have a date for the first quote, so the reader can tell when Patton was thinking that way. Can you get a date for it? 5) I liked the preWWII and postWWII sections. However, Jackie's section, which was a preWWII item, was not in there. Now it is, etc. I moved the new book to the top of the reference list, because this book and the movie are hot items. No big deal to me if you want to move it back. 6) Addressed above. They entered France via Omaha Beach in October, per the article, but did not see combat until 7 November, per the article. Did you like anything about the rework? Did not mean to offend anyone. Beanbatch 19:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
We need some explantion in the first section on how this unit was formed, with so much bais in the military. Who pushed for it? Why did happen? Beanbatch 21:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
WikiDon 22:11, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
I saw that, but could not see the context. Will put back. Beanbatch 20:15, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
-- Jpbrenna 05:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I changed the Patton section as I felt it was misleading. The speech made to the battalion seems to simply reflect his desire to instill confidence in men on whom he knew his plans would in part rely on. The structure implied a Patton was a racist/changed his mind notion which was not at all the case. The quote about black soldiers lacking the intellect to be tankers was a reflection following the was (as noted). In fact the distinguished actions of the 761st did nothing to diffuse his racsim. I hope the current revision reflects this.
Ken Albers 20:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)Kalbers
Important to note that permanent monument was dedicated this year at Fort Hood, Texas. In attendance were several living legends from The 761st Tank Battalion. There are additional details that have been summarized and included. Invitation is extended for interested military historians to visit the monument. It serves as reminder of the very high cost of unheralded service.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.38.189.2 ( talk • contribs) 06:51, 29 November 2005.
If possible, a picture of the monument would be nice. -- Trifler ( talk) 02:44, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but since the 761st Tank Battalion was NOT one of the Tank Battalions that were carved out of Armored Regiments during World War II, and it was not reorganized from an older unit of another branch, it did not get issued a Distinctive Unit Insignia, and only a small handful of Battalions have Shoulder Sleeve Insignia. I went looking for the graphic file you posted, and did not find it still on the server, which tells me that it has been removed by the Server Police. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 01:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
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This article has a section on racial tension due to the US policy of segregation, which ended during this unit's existence. I have made some edits to another article which touches on the racial tension in the US military; The Battle of Brisbane, and I'm aware of some others, about US units serving in New Zealand and the UK. Would these be decent candidates for linking in the further reading, or see also sections? I'd love to see arguments for and against.-- Senor Freebie ( talk) 11:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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I'm glad this article was recently added. However, it needs some serious cleanup for flow, links, etc. I am going to start working on it. Beanbatch 19:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
In general, this is not the right article to document the entire history and issues of racial bigotry in the Army. The quotes did prove the point, but belong better in article such as Desegregation or African American history. Perhaps a general article on African American Soldiers should be started. There is History of African Americans in the Civil War, but we should cover more recent wars. The coverage of Jackie Robinson's story really shows this the best, I think. Beanbatch 21:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Took out all superscripts for 761st. Really hard to read with these, the line spacing gets wacky. Beanbatch 21:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Howdy,
Please discuss. WikiDon 22:09, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
2) My apologies. It appeared to me that the article was fairly new, and had some seemingly randomly ordered and repetitive insertions recently. My main goal here was to try an organize the info / flow better. We can get back whatever we need to restore from the article's history list. It is NOT lost.
3) Since this article is titled U.S. 761st Tank Battalion, it should really focus on the 761st, but we can refer to them. I put them under "See also". Hopefully, someone will add articles for them down the road. However, I did restore some of the deleted content about one of the units.
4) I wanted to leave in the 2nd Patton speech, about "..I don't care what color you are..". However there were several problems with the section as it was:
These inconsistencies led me to not trust the context of the quote at all, so I removed it. It looked to me more like a pre-combat pep talk than something post-combat. However, I have attempted to restore Patton section, with the before and after quotes. Tell me what you think. It would be really good to have a date for the first quote, so the reader can tell when Patton was thinking that way. Can you get a date for it? 5) I liked the preWWII and postWWII sections. However, Jackie's section, which was a preWWII item, was not in there. Now it is, etc. I moved the new book to the top of the reference list, because this book and the movie are hot items. No big deal to me if you want to move it back. 6) Addressed above. They entered France via Omaha Beach in October, per the article, but did not see combat until 7 November, per the article. Did you like anything about the rework? Did not mean to offend anyone. Beanbatch 19:41, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
We need some explantion in the first section on how this unit was formed, with so much bais in the military. Who pushed for it? Why did happen? Beanbatch 21:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
WikiDon 22:11, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
I saw that, but could not see the context. Will put back. Beanbatch 20:15, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
-- Jpbrenna 05:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I changed the Patton section as I felt it was misleading. The speech made to the battalion seems to simply reflect his desire to instill confidence in men on whom he knew his plans would in part rely on. The structure implied a Patton was a racist/changed his mind notion which was not at all the case. The quote about black soldiers lacking the intellect to be tankers was a reflection following the was (as noted). In fact the distinguished actions of the 761st did nothing to diffuse his racsim. I hope the current revision reflects this.
Ken Albers 20:00, 3 November 2005 (UTC)Kalbers
Important to note that permanent monument was dedicated this year at Fort Hood, Texas. In attendance were several living legends from The 761st Tank Battalion. There are additional details that have been summarized and included. Invitation is extended for interested military historians to visit the monument. It serves as reminder of the very high cost of unheralded service.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.38.189.2 ( talk • contribs) 06:51, 29 November 2005.
If possible, a picture of the monument would be nice. -- Trifler ( talk) 02:44, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but since the 761st Tank Battalion was NOT one of the Tank Battalions that were carved out of Armored Regiments during World War II, and it was not reorganized from an older unit of another branch, it did not get issued a Distinctive Unit Insignia, and only a small handful of Battalions have Shoulder Sleeve Insignia. I went looking for the graphic file you posted, and did not find it still on the server, which tells me that it has been removed by the Server Police. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 01:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
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This article has a section on racial tension due to the US policy of segregation, which ended during this unit's existence. I have made some edits to another article which touches on the racial tension in the US military; The Battle of Brisbane, and I'm aware of some others, about US units serving in New Zealand and the UK. Would these be decent candidates for linking in the further reading, or see also sections? I'd love to see arguments for and against.-- Senor Freebie ( talk) 11:19, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
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