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I think it should be 7,92 and .310, not 7,62 and .300 (see table on the right side) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.228.113 ( talk) 15:53, 26 December 2011 (UTC) I would'nt be so sure about that, if I can trust my calibre. If i remember right its 7,92×57 mm Mauser what is German, we are talking about Russian bullet.
Very few people refer to it as the 7.62 "Rimmed". [1] CynicalMe 19:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The Russian word for "Rimmed" does not start with the letter R, it starts with the letter O (обод, ободок or in the case of firearms cartridges, обрамлять) . The R classification is arbitrary. I am removing the reference Jenga3 ( talk) 21:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Neat website, surfed in from another site and had a question/correction. What is "super-incendiary"? Never heard of that one before.
Also bullets 2 and 3 are not armor piercing, just plain ball. The Czech ammo is "light" ball (silver or no color tip) and the Hungarian is "heavy" ball (can be either yellow or yellow/silver tip). The 2d from the right round doesn't look Yugoslav, it looks more like Bulgarian. Any chance the headstamp is 10 over 53? If so it's Bulgarian. Jeremy2171 01:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Steel core does not = AP. Steel was used instead of lead as it was often cheaper than lead. The steel used in the "ball" ammo is a mild steel and has minimal advantages over lead cored ammo. Actual "hardened" steel core "AP" ammo will go through hardened armor test plate like a hot knife through butter while regular steel core will not.
I use the steel insert from a 50cal "AP" round as a center punch and the tip is still sharp....after about 10 years of hammering on it. I can easily deform the steel insert from Czech ammo with a hammer. Jeremy2171
Oh yeah, what was the "Super-Incendiary"? Jeremy2171 02:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Have you overlooked the Explosive round called the "PZ"? Why would the Russians use a Swedish projectile? Also there is Armor Piercing Incendiary AND API-tracer as well. The Czechs also have the short range practice bullet and there is also and E. German short range round as well. Did you check the headstamp on that one round?
Jeremy2171 00:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
As per the general consensus from the team at Wikiproject: Military History, it would seem that this article really ought to be named "7.62x54R", with no spaces. I thought I'd give people a chance to comment before arbitrarily changing the title, however. -- Commander Zulu 07:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I moved the page. I strongly disagree that page moves to more common conventions are a "waste of time". As for the "tip of the iceberg", I'm curious what constitutes the remaining 91% of problems caused by a sensible page move, as implied by that metaphor. - GTBacchus( talk) 16:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Leaving it makes me somewhat uneasy, it would not fall under any naming category. As much as I respect common usage among sports shooters and enthusiasts we have to keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia and we must recognize official or original names and designations. I agree the 7.62x54mmR Mosin is somewhat awkward and therefore I will seek to change the name to simply 7.62x54mmR. My Mosin is stamped this way and several published references list the caliber this way including my user manuals and Russian sources. I've also encountered this type of naming for rimmed ammunition boxes, with the "R" after the metric measurement as in AxBmmR, albeit, can't remember exactly which caliber it was I was shooting at the time. Koalorka ( talk) 07:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
be mentioned in the text. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 14:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)z
In the specs, it lists the "nominal" charge to be 3960-J or approx. 2920 ft-lbs. While this is in the realm of ballistics for the 54R, what specific round was this figure established with? Some Russian Light Ball ammo [149grain, 2855fps] was pushing 3672-J or about 2708 ft-lbs. I'm not particularly trying to argue, but just wondering what the basis of this factoid was. 209.114.201.30 13:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Presumably the round was introduced at a time when rimmed cartridges were the default, and so the R in the name was added later; what was the round originally called? Did it predate Russia's adoption of the metric system? Based on the oft-quoted World.guns.ru I surmise it was the three-line cartridge or something similar. - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 23:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I added a RefImprove tag to this article a while back and am adding it again. The sources for this article are not Reliable Sources [WP:RS] and the claims supported by unsuitable sources will be removed by me if not replaced with reliable, third-party sources. (i.e. I am challenging the sources accuracy). Whomever removed my RefImprove tag failed to improve the article's citations and I gave fellow editors plenty of time to react. Spectre9 ( talk) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
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Regarding ballistics, this may be a more reliable source:
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Cartridge (Wb + type) MV (fps) V @ 200 yds ME (ft lb) E @ 200 yds
7.62x54R (150 SP) 2700 2193 2428 1602
.308 Win. (150 Sp) 2820 2288 2648 1744
.308 Win. (165 BTSP) 2685 2264 2641 1878
.308 Win. (165 BTSP) 2870 2456 3019 2211
.308 Win. (180 Sp) 2620 2198 2743 1930
.30-06 Spfd. (150 Sp) 2910 2342 2820 1827
.30-06 Spfd. (165 PSP) 2800 2283 2872 1909
.30-06 Spfd. (165 BTSP) 3015 2575 3330 2428
.30-06 Spfd. (180 Sp) 2700 2023 2913 1635
Heavenlyblue ( talk) 09:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
"Due to experiences in the Russo-Japanese War the projectile was replaced in 1908 by the "L" 9.5 grams (147 gr) spitzer bullet, which basic design has remained standard to the present." Where is a reference for this claim? What sort of "experiences" was this person talking about? This is very vague. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hailholyghost ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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Is this really the Diameter, or the Radius? 'D' is 'Д' in Russian... Msjayhawk ( talk) 16:07, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
1. What/which powder did it use, originally? I read somewhere that Mendeleev designed the powder for it, but his entry (in WP) just says that he created PyroCollodion for the Navy in 1892 which they rejected, because of cost?
2. Did that rim tapper like that originally? I can see how it would help the feed paw/l/s slip/ride over it in the SG43 and PK/M MGs but wouldn't it just make the rim lock more likely in the MN rifle?.. Or, was it designed to override it, coz it allows the back rim to slip/ride over the one in front!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.38.242 ( talk) 05:46, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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I think it should be 7,92 and .310, not 7,62 and .300 (see table on the right side) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.228.113 ( talk) 15:53, 26 December 2011 (UTC) I would'nt be so sure about that, if I can trust my calibre. If i remember right its 7,92×57 mm Mauser what is German, we are talking about Russian bullet.
Very few people refer to it as the 7.62 "Rimmed". [1] CynicalMe 19:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The Russian word for "Rimmed" does not start with the letter R, it starts with the letter O (обод, ободок or in the case of firearms cartridges, обрамлять) . The R classification is arbitrary. I am removing the reference Jenga3 ( talk) 21:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Neat website, surfed in from another site and had a question/correction. What is "super-incendiary"? Never heard of that one before.
Also bullets 2 and 3 are not armor piercing, just plain ball. The Czech ammo is "light" ball (silver or no color tip) and the Hungarian is "heavy" ball (can be either yellow or yellow/silver tip). The 2d from the right round doesn't look Yugoslav, it looks more like Bulgarian. Any chance the headstamp is 10 over 53? If so it's Bulgarian. Jeremy2171 01:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Steel core does not = AP. Steel was used instead of lead as it was often cheaper than lead. The steel used in the "ball" ammo is a mild steel and has minimal advantages over lead cored ammo. Actual "hardened" steel core "AP" ammo will go through hardened armor test plate like a hot knife through butter while regular steel core will not.
I use the steel insert from a 50cal "AP" round as a center punch and the tip is still sharp....after about 10 years of hammering on it. I can easily deform the steel insert from Czech ammo with a hammer. Jeremy2171
Oh yeah, what was the "Super-Incendiary"? Jeremy2171 02:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Have you overlooked the Explosive round called the "PZ"? Why would the Russians use a Swedish projectile? Also there is Armor Piercing Incendiary AND API-tracer as well. The Czechs also have the short range practice bullet and there is also and E. German short range round as well. Did you check the headstamp on that one round?
Jeremy2171 00:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
As per the general consensus from the team at Wikiproject: Military History, it would seem that this article really ought to be named "7.62x54R", with no spaces. I thought I'd give people a chance to comment before arbitrarily changing the title, however. -- Commander Zulu 07:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I moved the page. I strongly disagree that page moves to more common conventions are a "waste of time". As for the "tip of the iceberg", I'm curious what constitutes the remaining 91% of problems caused by a sensible page move, as implied by that metaphor. - GTBacchus( talk) 16:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Leaving it makes me somewhat uneasy, it would not fall under any naming category. As much as I respect common usage among sports shooters and enthusiasts we have to keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia and we must recognize official or original names and designations. I agree the 7.62x54mmR Mosin is somewhat awkward and therefore I will seek to change the name to simply 7.62x54mmR. My Mosin is stamped this way and several published references list the caliber this way including my user manuals and Russian sources. I've also encountered this type of naming for rimmed ammunition boxes, with the "R" after the metric measurement as in AxBmmR, albeit, can't remember exactly which caliber it was I was shooting at the time. Koalorka ( talk) 07:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
be mentioned in the text. GraemeLeggett ( talk) 14:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)z
In the specs, it lists the "nominal" charge to be 3960-J or approx. 2920 ft-lbs. While this is in the realm of ballistics for the 54R, what specific round was this figure established with? Some Russian Light Ball ammo [149grain, 2855fps] was pushing 3672-J or about 2708 ft-lbs. I'm not particularly trying to argue, but just wondering what the basis of this factoid was. 209.114.201.30 13:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Presumably the round was introduced at a time when rimmed cartridges were the default, and so the R in the name was added later; what was the round originally called? Did it predate Russia's adoption of the metric system? Based on the oft-quoted World.guns.ru I surmise it was the three-line cartridge or something similar. - Ashley Pomeroy ( talk) 23:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I added a RefImprove tag to this article a while back and am adding it again. The sources for this article are not Reliable Sources [WP:RS] and the claims supported by unsuitable sources will be removed by me if not replaced with reliable, third-party sources. (i.e. I am challenging the sources accuracy). Whomever removed my RefImprove tag failed to improve the article's citations and I gave fellow editors plenty of time to react. Spectre9 ( talk) 15:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
-- JeffGBot ( talk) 21:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Regarding ballistics, this may be a more reliable source:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm
Cartridge (Wb + type) MV (fps) V @ 200 yds ME (ft lb) E @ 200 yds
7.62x54R (150 SP) 2700 2193 2428 1602
.308 Win. (150 Sp) 2820 2288 2648 1744
.308 Win. (165 BTSP) 2685 2264 2641 1878
.308 Win. (165 BTSP) 2870 2456 3019 2211
.308 Win. (180 Sp) 2620 2198 2743 1930
.30-06 Spfd. (150 Sp) 2910 2342 2820 1827
.30-06 Spfd. (165 PSP) 2800 2283 2872 1909
.30-06 Spfd. (165 BTSP) 3015 2575 3330 2428
.30-06 Spfd. (180 Sp) 2700 2023 2913 1635
Heavenlyblue ( talk) 09:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
"Due to experiences in the Russo-Japanese War the projectile was replaced in 1908 by the "L" 9.5 grams (147 gr) spitzer bullet, which basic design has remained standard to the present." Where is a reference for this claim? What sort of "experiences" was this person talking about? This is very vague. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hailholyghost ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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Is this really the Diameter, or the Radius? 'D' is 'Д' in Russian... Msjayhawk ( talk) 16:07, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
1. What/which powder did it use, originally? I read somewhere that Mendeleev designed the powder for it, but his entry (in WP) just says that he created PyroCollodion for the Navy in 1892 which they rejected, because of cost?
2. Did that rim tapper like that originally? I can see how it would help the feed paw/l/s slip/ride over it in the SG43 and PK/M MGs but wouldn't it just make the rim lock more likely in the MN rifle?.. Or, was it designed to override it, coz it allows the back rim to slip/ride over the one in front!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.38.242 ( talk) 05:46, 24 August 2019 (UTC)