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I've pulled about 200 rounds apart as I use the case's for a .17x28, and reused the 40gr V max in my .223. I've found the factory bullets are sealed in place and in order to get them out at all. Must be pushed back into the case a bit to break the seal. For powder. Have been unsuccessful in finding out what the powder is. But, there's 5.0gr of a very fine/almost dust like ball powder in this blue tipped v max.
I would like to know if this is patent protected round in the 5.7 form and whether a person could chamber their own arm with this cartridge. Although, it is very low velocity and of limited use. The .17x28 case produces in excess of 3000fps with 20gr v max. Very good prairie dog round for under 200yds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgeld ( talk • contribs)
The tone of this article attempts to talk about every piece of ammunition made as the 5.7x28mm cartridge and attempts to pass them off as variants of the 5.7x28mm. They are not. The methodology of the article is analogous to writing an article about the 30-06 Springfield and then filling up space talking about the myriad of ammunition made for the 30-06 be it military or civilian and going on to length talking about the Remington, Winchester, Federal, etc etc etc ammunition as variant. These are in reality different loadings of the same cartridge. We all know that there are no variants of the 5.7x28mm as Belgium is a member of the CIP and has to abide with dimension and specifications enforced by the CIP in Belgium when a cartridge if called the 5.7x28mm whether it be imported, exported or manufactured in a CIP member state. The ammunition infobox reserves the Variant designation for cartridges that have a difference in dimension or specification. For example the .280 Ackley Improved would be a dimensional variant of the .280 Remington or the .38 Special +P+ would be variant of the .38 Special by specification.
We would not consider Remington's R30061, RL30062, PRSC3006C, PRA3006A, R30062, R30063, PRC3006A, L30062, PRA3006B, R3006B, PRC3006B, PRA3006C, PG30064, RS3006A, PRSC3006B, PRC3006C, R30064, R30065, R30066 and R30067 separate variants. This is just ammunition made for the .30-06. The street name of the cartridges are as follows:
Are the editors and contributors getting bamboozled when they see a manufacturers ID for the ammo just because there are a bunch of alpha numeric characters and think it is something special? I can understand writing about ammunition which was adopted by the military, but that is not the thrust of the article. It talks about discontinued ammo etc. If someone was talking about discontinued 30-06 ammo one could write a two book volume on it. At present there are over 200 factory loads for the 30-06. Oh and the R30069 is really a variation of the 30-06 street name = Remington Accelerator saboted .224 bullet. DeusImperator ( talk) 09:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. Ignoring all that stuff, I just changed the name of the section to Cartridge Types. Enjoy. Grizzly chipmunk ( talk) 16:30, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
The listed mass of the SS90 AP FMJ round doesn't seem right. The listed value for the kinetic energy is 540 J, however if you use KE=(1/2)(m)(v)^2 the actual value should be around 360 J, using the values m=1g and v=850. If you rearrange the equation using the listed kinetic energy and velocity to solve for mass, m=2(KE)÷v^2, the value of the mass should be near 1.5g. Is this an error, or is there a reason for this strange energy output? (Or alternatively if you solve for velocity while keeping kinetic energy and mass the same the result comes out about 1,040 m/s.) BradandRose725 ( talk) 06:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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I've pulled about 200 rounds apart as I use the case's for a .17x28, and reused the 40gr V max in my .223. I've found the factory bullets are sealed in place and in order to get them out at all. Must be pushed back into the case a bit to break the seal. For powder. Have been unsuccessful in finding out what the powder is. But, there's 5.0gr of a very fine/almost dust like ball powder in this blue tipped v max.
I would like to know if this is patent protected round in the 5.7 form and whether a person could chamber their own arm with this cartridge. Although, it is very low velocity and of limited use. The .17x28 case produces in excess of 3000fps with 20gr v max. Very good prairie dog round for under 200yds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgeld ( talk • contribs)
The tone of this article attempts to talk about every piece of ammunition made as the 5.7x28mm cartridge and attempts to pass them off as variants of the 5.7x28mm. They are not. The methodology of the article is analogous to writing an article about the 30-06 Springfield and then filling up space talking about the myriad of ammunition made for the 30-06 be it military or civilian and going on to length talking about the Remington, Winchester, Federal, etc etc etc ammunition as variant. These are in reality different loadings of the same cartridge. We all know that there are no variants of the 5.7x28mm as Belgium is a member of the CIP and has to abide with dimension and specifications enforced by the CIP in Belgium when a cartridge if called the 5.7x28mm whether it be imported, exported or manufactured in a CIP member state. The ammunition infobox reserves the Variant designation for cartridges that have a difference in dimension or specification. For example the .280 Ackley Improved would be a dimensional variant of the .280 Remington or the .38 Special +P+ would be variant of the .38 Special by specification.
We would not consider Remington's R30061, RL30062, PRSC3006C, PRA3006A, R30062, R30063, PRC3006A, L30062, PRA3006B, R3006B, PRC3006B, PRA3006C, PG30064, RS3006A, PRSC3006B, PRC3006C, R30064, R30065, R30066 and R30067 separate variants. This is just ammunition made for the .30-06. The street name of the cartridges are as follows:
Are the editors and contributors getting bamboozled when they see a manufacturers ID for the ammo just because there are a bunch of alpha numeric characters and think it is something special? I can understand writing about ammunition which was adopted by the military, but that is not the thrust of the article. It talks about discontinued ammo etc. If someone was talking about discontinued 30-06 ammo one could write a two book volume on it. At present there are over 200 factory loads for the 30-06. Oh and the R30069 is really a variation of the 30-06 street name = Remington Accelerator saboted .224 bullet. DeusImperator ( talk) 09:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Yeah. Ignoring all that stuff, I just changed the name of the section to Cartridge Types. Enjoy. Grizzly chipmunk ( talk) 16:30, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
The listed mass of the SS90 AP FMJ round doesn't seem right. The listed value for the kinetic energy is 540 J, however if you use KE=(1/2)(m)(v)^2 the actual value should be around 360 J, using the values m=1g and v=850. If you rearrange the equation using the listed kinetic energy and velocity to solve for mass, m=2(KE)÷v^2, the value of the mass should be near 1.5g. Is this an error, or is there a reason for this strange energy output? (Or alternatively if you solve for velocity while keeping kinetic energy and mass the same the result comes out about 1,040 m/s.) BradandRose725 ( talk) 06:13, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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