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as far as i know, the 3rd dalai lama and altan khan met near qinghai lake. the name of the lake (and surrounding region) is höh nuur, so i think the editor who added the bit about both meeting in hohhot (or his source) may have been just confusing the two. Yaan ( talk) 10:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
From: The Dalai Lamas and State Power by Derek F. Maher - Downloadable from: http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1749-8171.2007.00018.x?cookieSet=1
Further note: I have just discovered the following account which contradicts Laird (see above) and places the event near Koko Nur as User:Yaan has maintained:
It is clear there is a serious contradiction in the sources available to me. Can anyone else please try to resolve this issue? I think it would be important to check Glenn H. Mullin's book, Fourteen Dalai Lamas: A Sacred Legacy of Reincarnation, but I won't be able to do this for another couple of months. Many thanks, John Hill ( talk) 03:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much - your help is greatly appreciated. John Hill ( talk) 02:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The article says: "Sonam Gyatso (Tibetan: བསོད་ནམས་རྒྱ་མཚོ་; Wylie: Bsod-nams Rgya-mtsho; ZWPY: Soinam Gyaco) (1543–1588) was the first officially recognized Dalai Lama, although the title was retrospectively given to his two predecessors." Predecessors in what type of function? Is it known?
to be inserted, I think.
Panchen Gedun Drup's third reincarnation, Sonam Gyatso, was invited to the Mongol Court of Altan Khan who first conferred the title of "Talai (Dalai) Lama" on him. The title was applied retrospectively to his two previous incarnations, making him the Third Dalai Lama. Thus began the line of the Dalai Lamas."
"Tashilhunpo Monastery was established in 1447 by Panchen Gedun Drup, retrospectively known as the First Dalai Lama. Successive abbots of Tashilhunpo monastery were given the title "Panchen" because of their scholarship."
"From 1350, Tibet was ruled by the princes of Phagmodru and then, from about 1481, by the Rinpung dynasty. In 1406, the ruling Phagmodru prince, Dakpa Gyaltsen, turned down the Imperial invitation to him to visit China. This clearly shows the sovereign authority of Tibetan rulers at that time." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.13.89 ( talk) 22:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
In 1576 -when going to bring buddhism to Mongolia- the Dalai Lama to be, Sönam Gyatso, used to be called by the name Gyalwa Rinpoche, tib. rGyal-ba Rin-po-che or "Drepung Tulku", tib.`Bras-spungs sPrul-sku. He was the third in the first reincarnationline of Gelug tradition.
Sounds as if the Gelugpa had different reincarnation lines.
in 1578, as is said in addition. -- 88.75.196.36 ( talk) 14:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
His father according to TBRC [5], rnam rgyal grags pa ( b. 16th cent. ), his mother, [6], dpal 'dzoms bu khrid ( b. 16th cent. ) .
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On Dec 31, 2015, "Milktaco" added the statement "He was anti-shaminist" as an orphan sentence at the beginning of Altan Khan and the conversion of Mongolia. It is cited, but the source is a book, so I can't easily check it. First, it's poor form. But most importantly, who is "he"? Altan Khan? Sonam Gyatso? (Milktaco has since been blocked.) The statement is completely irrelevant as is and unless someone can verify and relocate the information to an appropriate place in the article, I think it should be removed. Ghost writer's cat ( talk) 02:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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as far as i know, the 3rd dalai lama and altan khan met near qinghai lake. the name of the lake (and surrounding region) is höh nuur, so i think the editor who added the bit about both meeting in hohhot (or his source) may have been just confusing the two. Yaan ( talk) 10:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
From: The Dalai Lamas and State Power by Derek F. Maher - Downloadable from: http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1749-8171.2007.00018.x?cookieSet=1
Further note: I have just discovered the following account which contradicts Laird (see above) and places the event near Koko Nur as User:Yaan has maintained:
It is clear there is a serious contradiction in the sources available to me. Can anyone else please try to resolve this issue? I think it would be important to check Glenn H. Mullin's book, Fourteen Dalai Lamas: A Sacred Legacy of Reincarnation, but I won't be able to do this for another couple of months. Many thanks, John Hill ( talk) 03:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much - your help is greatly appreciated. John Hill ( talk) 02:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The article says: "Sonam Gyatso (Tibetan: བསོད་ནམས་རྒྱ་མཚོ་; Wylie: Bsod-nams Rgya-mtsho; ZWPY: Soinam Gyaco) (1543–1588) was the first officially recognized Dalai Lama, although the title was retrospectively given to his two predecessors." Predecessors in what type of function? Is it known?
to be inserted, I think.
Panchen Gedun Drup's third reincarnation, Sonam Gyatso, was invited to the Mongol Court of Altan Khan who first conferred the title of "Talai (Dalai) Lama" on him. The title was applied retrospectively to his two previous incarnations, making him the Third Dalai Lama. Thus began the line of the Dalai Lamas."
"Tashilhunpo Monastery was established in 1447 by Panchen Gedun Drup, retrospectively known as the First Dalai Lama. Successive abbots of Tashilhunpo monastery were given the title "Panchen" because of their scholarship."
"From 1350, Tibet was ruled by the princes of Phagmodru and then, from about 1481, by the Rinpung dynasty. In 1406, the ruling Phagmodru prince, Dakpa Gyaltsen, turned down the Imperial invitation to him to visit China. This clearly shows the sovereign authority of Tibetan rulers at that time." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.72.13.89 ( talk) 22:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
In 1576 -when going to bring buddhism to Mongolia- the Dalai Lama to be, Sönam Gyatso, used to be called by the name Gyalwa Rinpoche, tib. rGyal-ba Rin-po-che or "Drepung Tulku", tib.`Bras-spungs sPrul-sku. He was the third in the first reincarnationline of Gelug tradition.
Sounds as if the Gelugpa had different reincarnation lines.
in 1578, as is said in addition. -- 88.75.196.36 ( talk) 14:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
His father according to TBRC [5], rnam rgyal grags pa ( b. 16th cent. ), his mother, [6], dpal 'dzoms bu khrid ( b. 16th cent. ) .
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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:19:26 -0700 Subject: Wikipedia License Request To: mikliaeva@hermitage.ru An extraordinarily rare (and almost certainly contemporary) portrait of the Third Dalai Lama was, not too very long ago, removed from Wikipedia after it had been uploaded there in violation of Wikipedia policy regarding unlicensed redistribution of copyrighted material. Both as a Wikipedia editor myself and as a student of the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, I am profoundly sorry to report to you that the relevant deletion log indicates the image originated from your own website. Despite this, I am nonetheless quite thrilled to find (howsoever circuitously) the image which you've already so generously provided on the web, and therefore wish to personally thank you for making it available to those of us who are unable (for the time being, at least) to visit your collection in person. I'm also very glad to say the image has been speedily removed from Wikipedia (where it had, however briefly, reappeared). Moreover, based on comments in the relevant deletion log, I frankly can not help but wonder whether anyone from your museum was even apprised that any of this had ever occurred. It would indeed therefore appear, at best, not only that a likely failure on some prior user's part to do due diligence before uploading your apparently unlicensed image onto Wikimedia Commons thereby resulted in a Wikipedia policy violation, but also that other Wikipedia editors' (thankfully) having taken up the slack (as it were) to enforce standing policies regarding image distribution licensing subsequently resulted in the unlicensed image's removal (in a timely manner, and with no dispute, and even possibly without your having been aware this had occurred) on 16 July, 2011. Now, nearly a year and a half later, I come in and start to edit Wikipedia's encyclopedia entry for the Third Dalai Lama, and find there very simply is no even remotely comparable alternative image available to that which you have already provided. I have therefore already edited the encyclopedia entry to add a plain URL which links externally to your website, yet very much would like to use the image itself as an inline illustration for the article. Is there by any chance some possible way the Hermitage Museum might be persuaded to license this utterly unique single image for distribution on Wikipedia? I am providing five relevant links below, including one with standard "boilerplate" licensing language you might choose to use, in the hope that this might help you draw your own conclusions at your leisure, and perhaps come to a final decision on the matter. Again, you have my thanks. Very sincerely yours, (Signature), 1. Wikimedia Image Deletion Log:
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On Dec 31, 2015, "Milktaco" added the statement "He was anti-shaminist" as an orphan sentence at the beginning of Altan Khan and the conversion of Mongolia. It is cited, but the source is a book, so I can't easily check it. First, it's poor form. But most importantly, who is "he"? Altan Khan? Sonam Gyatso? (Milktaco has since been blocked.) The statement is completely irrelevant as is and unless someone can verify and relocate the information to an appropriate place in the article, I think it should be removed. Ghost writer's cat ( talk) 02:05, 25 March 2024 (UTC)