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Why was there no mention of the role elements of the 302nd played in the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse? Geo Swan ( talk) 20:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
WRT the suicide of James Stacy Adams and inquiries into the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse:
The Fay-Jones Report interviewed many, or perhaps all, of the 302nd personnel who had been present at Abu Ghraib, at the time torture and other abuses were known to have taken place. Is there really any question that an article that comprehensively covers the battalion should neutrally cover this aspect of the battalion's history? Geo Swan ( talk) 20:12, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Someone added a {{ cn}} to the sentence that said James Stacy Adam's peers "questioned the extent to which his death was the result of sudden depression over the prospect courts martial would require him to testify against the men he commanded who had played a role in the Abu Ghraib Prisoner abuse scandal." However, the reference in that paragraph contained a quote field that said.
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I suggest that the sentence I put in bold is sufficient citation for that sentence. If, after a reasonable period of time, I find no one has defended the {{ cn}} tag, I will trim it. Geo Swan ( talk) 18:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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I am concerned that the unit crest symbolism, while properly cited, might be in error. I served in the 331st ASA Co (fwd), which was subordinate to the 302nd, in the early 1980s. We wore that unit crest, and were taught a symbolism that differs from what is in this article. Specifics:
"White and teal blue, are symbolic of the battalion's former status as an unassigned-to-branch unit." -- we were taught that White and Teal Blue were in fact the Army Security Agency colors, just as red is for artillery and light blue is for infantry. See https://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Colors/US_Army_Branch_Colors.htm
"The battalion's war service as a signal unit is shown by the colors of the fox's mask and background" -- the Bn was called the "Sly Fox Battalion" and this was a reference to intelligence functions, not signals.
"while the intelligence functions of the unit are represented by the black censor's stamp." -- this is correct
"The key is for the unit's first campaign (Normandy) in World War II and also alludes to signal and intelligence functions." -- we were taught that this was 100% a symbol of the knowledge gained through intelligence. https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Joukowsky_Institute/courses/13things/7445.html I never heard mention of a Key representing the Normandy campaign. Although my ignorance isn't proof that it isn't so.
"The stylized lightning flashes symbolize radio reconnaissance." -- yes, although we called it "Special Intelligence" at the time. Rick Bunker ( talk) 19:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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Why was there no mention of the role elements of the 302nd played in the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse? Geo Swan ( talk) 20:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
WRT the suicide of James Stacy Adams and inquiries into the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse:
The Fay-Jones Report interviewed many, or perhaps all, of the 302nd personnel who had been present at Abu Ghraib, at the time torture and other abuses were known to have taken place. Is there really any question that an article that comprehensively covers the battalion should neutrally cover this aspect of the battalion's history? Geo Swan ( talk) 20:12, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Someone added a {{ cn}} to the sentence that said James Stacy Adam's peers "questioned the extent to which his death was the result of sudden depression over the prospect courts martial would require him to testify against the men he commanded who had played a role in the Abu Ghraib Prisoner abuse scandal." However, the reference in that paragraph contained a quote field that said.
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I suggest that the sentence I put in bold is sufficient citation for that sentence. If, after a reasonable period of time, I find no one has defended the {{ cn}} tag, I will trim it. Geo Swan ( talk) 18:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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I am concerned that the unit crest symbolism, while properly cited, might be in error. I served in the 331st ASA Co (fwd), which was subordinate to the 302nd, in the early 1980s. We wore that unit crest, and were taught a symbolism that differs from what is in this article. Specifics:
"White and teal blue, are symbolic of the battalion's former status as an unassigned-to-branch unit." -- we were taught that White and Teal Blue were in fact the Army Security Agency colors, just as red is for artillery and light blue is for infantry. See https://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Colors/US_Army_Branch_Colors.htm
"The battalion's war service as a signal unit is shown by the colors of the fox's mask and background" -- the Bn was called the "Sly Fox Battalion" and this was a reference to intelligence functions, not signals.
"while the intelligence functions of the unit are represented by the black censor's stamp." -- this is correct
"The key is for the unit's first campaign (Normandy) in World War II and also alludes to signal and intelligence functions." -- we were taught that this was 100% a symbol of the knowledge gained through intelligence. https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Joukowsky_Institute/courses/13things/7445.html I never heard mention of a Key representing the Normandy campaign. Although my ignorance isn't proof that it isn't so.
"The stylized lightning flashes symbolize radio reconnaissance." -- yes, although we called it "Special Intelligence" at the time. Rick Bunker ( talk) 19:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)