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For sure, Rockstar Games and 2K Games are both subsidiaries of Take-Two Interactive. But neither is 2K a subsidiary of R*, nor is R* a subsidiary of 2K. Both companies stand to each other as sister companies. The same with Global Star Software, Joytech and Jack Of All Games. – jello ¿? 23:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
2K is a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive. Rockstar Games isn't the owner of 2K, its 2K's sister Tanisho4Real ( talk) 10:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Since 2007 2K Games have been purely labelled as 2K when published. Shouldn't this be noted in the article? You buy games from "2K", not "2K Games" these days. EMU-LMAO ( talk) 18:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
You really need a source when every game they release clearly shows the single image "2K" all over the box and no "Games" when it isn't part of the sports line-up? Or a source is actually needed to somehow literally verify that their head office only goes by "2K" now? I wsn't even right, it goes as far back as 2006. Since when do large corporations, like Take 2, even announce every branding change?
Wikipedia must be awful picky to literally need to make the obvious into an extreme exercise like that. Couldn't you just link to any product they release within the last two (2) years just to accomplish this amazing feat? The boxes say 2K now, what is so difficult? I am quite positive you can see this extraordinary change on any related article.
Ironically, the very image that show the change you want is being used on the page for 2K Games. EMU-LMAO ( talk) 04:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
The corporate name is still "2K Games, Inc." regardless of how they short hand it in marketing material. A quick research shows corporate listings/filings show it this way, and many stores list the full name as well. -- ferret ( talk) 12:53, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Most recent source (6 February 2016) from their official website still says "2K Games, Inc.": [1], so, regardles of how they advertize themselves, it is still "2K Games, Inc.", though you may just put "commonly referred to as 2K". Lordtobi ( ✉) 09:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The 2K brand divides in three studios: the 2K Games, the 2K Play andar 2K Sports. For reasons unknown they publish their games with the use of 2K. Still, they have a president for the 3 studios. Its only a question of organization. Tanisho4Real ( talk) 10:21, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, its more than time to create a Hangar 13 wikipedia page. I can help with anything. Tanisho4Real ( talk) 10:23, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
@ YouHateThePlayer: Please do not try to split this page to 2K (Company) without discussion, especially as this talk session does not indicate any sort of consensus to do so. (Other editors: Please note talk section at YouHateThePlayer about multiple accounts, including Tanisho4Real above). -- ferret ( talk) 12:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi Everyone, I actually WORK at 2K. I know what that means in terms of what I can / can't contribute. Just wanted to add some clarity here, if possible. The company is called, "2K" by everyone - both internally and within the game industry. That's how it's been identified for years now. It's just "2K" that publishes our titles - including the sports ones. I tried making those factual changes to the Wikipedia page, but ferret ( talk) shut down my corrections and directed me here. What is the best, next step to getting this Wikipedia page corrected and brought up to speed? Because, to be honest, there's more missing / updated information I'd like to see about getting included. GizmoGladstone ( talk) 15:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)GizmoGladstone
If you go to http://www.take2games.com they now describe their "labels" as:
The Rockstar Games label was founded in 1998 to create the most innovative and progressive interactive entertainment. Publishers of such popular game franchises as Grand Theft Auto, Midnight Club, Red Dead Redemption, Max Payne, Bully, Manhunt and more.
Founded in 2005, 2K publishes titles in today's most popular gaming genres, including shooters, action, role-playing, strategy, sports, casual, and family entertainment. 2K's stable of high quality titles includes the critically acclaimed BioShock®, Borderlands™ and XCOM® franchises, the beloved Sid Meier's Civilization series, the popular WWE 2K franchise and NBA 2K, the #1 rated and #1 selling basketball franchise.
Private Division is a developer-focused publisher that empowers independent studios to develop the games that they are passionate about creating, while providing the support that they need to make their titles critically and commercially successful on a global scale. The label publishes Kerbal Space Program and will publish upcoming titles with renowned creative talent at studios including Obsidian Entertainment, The Outsiders, Panache Digital Games, and V1 Interactive.
It seems that "2K Games, Inc. " has been dropped in favour of "Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc", and "2K Games" is restricted to 2K titles outside of their 2K Play and 2K Sports titles. The article should be updated to reflect these changes. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 02:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
How about something along these lines? The lead could be rewritten thus:
2K Games, Inc., or 2K, is an American video game publisher, a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive. They release games under the 2K Games, 2K Sports and 2K Play labels. Notable series include Borderlands, Civilization, The Darkness, BioShock, NBA 2K and WWE 2K. [1] It was created on January 25, 2005 after Take-Two acquired developer Visual Concepts, and its wholly owned subsidiary Kush Games, from Sega for US$24 million. [2] The name "2K Games" comes from Visual Concepts' sports game lineup, typically referred to as the 2K series.
References
I think this covers the bases so to speak, by introducing the currently marketed name of "2K" while also acknowledging "2K Games, Inc." sources. It also explains the three 2K labels they separate games into, which I think will help to clarify matters. The rest is minor c/e. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Notable titles include Borderlands, Civilization, The Darkness, BioShock, NBA 2K and WWE 2K.. Now NBA 2K and WWE 2K are both 2K Sports titles. If "2K Games, Inc." excludes NBA 2K and WWE 2K why are they included?
How about this? https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=24600285
2K Games, Inc. Announces Availability of NBA 2KVR Experience Nov 21 16
2K Games, Inc. has announced the availability of NBA 2KVR Experience, the first virtual reality basketball game immersing players in a new, entertaining NBA environment filled with the sights and sounds of fun mini-games and challenges. Available beginning on November 22, 2016 on PlayStationVR, HTC Vive and Samsung Gear VR, the new experience continues the dominance of the NBA 2K series. In the NBA 2KVR Experience, players will join NBA 2K17 cover athlete and All-Star Paul George, as they step onto the court at the Indiana Pacers' stadium, Bankers Life Fieldhouse.
How many sources do you need? --Jules (Mrjulesd) 17:55, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Because there is every indication that 2K and 2K Games Inc. are the same entity. That would make 2K Sports a label of 2K (=2K Games, Inc.). See https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=24600285
2K Games, Inc. develops and publishes interactive entertainment games for console systems, handheld gaming systems, and personal computers that include smartphones and tablets. The company publishes titles in various gaming genres, including shooters, action, role-playing, strategy, sports, casual, and family entertainment. Its products are delivered through physical retail, digital download, online platforms, and cloud streaming services in the United States and internationally. 2K Games, Inc. also offers its products through its online store, as well as offers apparel and accessories for men and women. The company was incorporated in 2004 and is based in Novato, California. 2K Games, Inc. ...
www.2k.com
2K Games, Inc. Key Developments
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Appoints David Ismailer as New President of 2K May 31 17
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. announced that David Ismailer has been appointed as the new President of 2K. Mr. Ismailer began working with Take-Two in 2002 as Vice President and Senior Counsel. Mr. Ismailer began working with Take-Two in 2002 as Vice President and Senior Counsel. In 2005, the year that 2K was formed, he was appointed the label’s Chief Operating Officer and Senior Vice President of Publishing Operations. Prior to joining Take-Two, he was an attorney at Morrison Cohen, where he practiced M&A and intellectual property law.
--Jules (Mrjulesd) 18:25, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking it will be nice to merge the sub-labels into one and rename the page simply 2K and not 2K Games. my apologize if this topic is not new. BBMatBlood ( talk) 03:09, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
guessing factual? it clearly seen on their website take2games.com on the front page our labels, the investors page, on their annual reports (which state four publishing labels- Rockstar Games, 2K, Private Division (yet to be incorporated but have 4 offices in different cities around the US and World) and Social Point). I am not guessing or joking. 217.114.161.20 ( talk) 22:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
With all these dispute on whether it 2K or 2K Games or 2K Games/2K Sports/2K Play should all merge wont a vote be needed like AT&T WarnerMedia (the Warner Media or WarnerMedia dispute was a fun time haha). Lord? BBMatBlood ( talk) 22:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I spoke with them,
"Take-Two owns many publishers. Ourselves, 2K, Rockstar, and Private Division."
Which means they went up to the main parent. Ghost Story is daughter of Take-Two, not 2K again legal separate companies, who here doesnt understand M&A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 ( talk • contribs) 00:29, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
After some time to think about it, I got back to researching this. TTWO's 2009 through 2012 annual reports consistently read:
Our business consists of our wholly-owned labels Rockstar Games and 2K, which publishes its titles under 2K Games, 2K Sports and 2K Play.
(emphasis mine)
Then, consistently from 2013 onwards, "2K Games" becomes a footnote under "Principal Operating Offices" alongside 2K Sports; 2K Play completely vanished. Back when we were arguing this, I used a lot (and I mean A LOT) of original research to back up my stance. I didn't know better but I was greatly supported. In the same original research, the individual studios are split up between the three labels; all of them are referred to as "2K studios", not adhering to any specific label, and sources don't put it this way either. What's more, 2K has completely scrapped the "2K Games" and "2K Sports" names, instead, all boxes simply since mid-2013 simply show "2K".
To avoid as much original research as possible, I plan to do a 180 and merge the three articles. This would include merging the histories and add an explanation of the present situation, creating a single list for all 2K studios, and renaming this article to simply "2K (company)". Unless there are significant arguments against this move, I will proceed with is sometime this weekend. Lordtobi ( ✉) 23:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The article title is disambiguated with "(company)", but it appears more like a label. Also publishing label might be more accurate in the lead. IgelRM ( talk) 05:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
X is an American video game publisher and a label of Take-Two Interactive based in Y
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For sure, Rockstar Games and 2K Games are both subsidiaries of Take-Two Interactive. But neither is 2K a subsidiary of R*, nor is R* a subsidiary of 2K. Both companies stand to each other as sister companies. The same with Global Star Software, Joytech and Jack Of All Games. – jello ¿? 23:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
2K is a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive. Rockstar Games isn't the owner of 2K, its 2K's sister Tanisho4Real ( talk) 10:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Since 2007 2K Games have been purely labelled as 2K when published. Shouldn't this be noted in the article? You buy games from "2K", not "2K Games" these days. EMU-LMAO ( talk) 18:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
You really need a source when every game they release clearly shows the single image "2K" all over the box and no "Games" when it isn't part of the sports line-up? Or a source is actually needed to somehow literally verify that their head office only goes by "2K" now? I wsn't even right, it goes as far back as 2006. Since when do large corporations, like Take 2, even announce every branding change?
Wikipedia must be awful picky to literally need to make the obvious into an extreme exercise like that. Couldn't you just link to any product they release within the last two (2) years just to accomplish this amazing feat? The boxes say 2K now, what is so difficult? I am quite positive you can see this extraordinary change on any related article.
Ironically, the very image that show the change you want is being used on the page for 2K Games. EMU-LMAO ( talk) 04:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
The corporate name is still "2K Games, Inc." regardless of how they short hand it in marketing material. A quick research shows corporate listings/filings show it this way, and many stores list the full name as well. -- ferret ( talk) 12:53, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Most recent source (6 February 2016) from their official website still says "2K Games, Inc.": [1], so, regardles of how they advertize themselves, it is still "2K Games, Inc.", though you may just put "commonly referred to as 2K". Lordtobi ( ✉) 09:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The 2K brand divides in three studios: the 2K Games, the 2K Play andar 2K Sports. For reasons unknown they publish their games with the use of 2K. Still, they have a president for the 3 studios. Its only a question of organization. Tanisho4Real ( talk) 10:21, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Also, its more than time to create a Hangar 13 wikipedia page. I can help with anything. Tanisho4Real ( talk) 10:23, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
@ YouHateThePlayer: Please do not try to split this page to 2K (Company) without discussion, especially as this talk session does not indicate any sort of consensus to do so. (Other editors: Please note talk section at YouHateThePlayer about multiple accounts, including Tanisho4Real above). -- ferret ( talk) 12:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi Everyone, I actually WORK at 2K. I know what that means in terms of what I can / can't contribute. Just wanted to add some clarity here, if possible. The company is called, "2K" by everyone - both internally and within the game industry. That's how it's been identified for years now. It's just "2K" that publishes our titles - including the sports ones. I tried making those factual changes to the Wikipedia page, but ferret ( talk) shut down my corrections and directed me here. What is the best, next step to getting this Wikipedia page corrected and brought up to speed? Because, to be honest, there's more missing / updated information I'd like to see about getting included. GizmoGladstone ( talk) 15:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)GizmoGladstone
If you go to http://www.take2games.com they now describe their "labels" as:
The Rockstar Games label was founded in 1998 to create the most innovative and progressive interactive entertainment. Publishers of such popular game franchises as Grand Theft Auto, Midnight Club, Red Dead Redemption, Max Payne, Bully, Manhunt and more.
Founded in 2005, 2K publishes titles in today's most popular gaming genres, including shooters, action, role-playing, strategy, sports, casual, and family entertainment. 2K's stable of high quality titles includes the critically acclaimed BioShock®, Borderlands™ and XCOM® franchises, the beloved Sid Meier's Civilization series, the popular WWE 2K franchise and NBA 2K, the #1 rated and #1 selling basketball franchise.
Private Division is a developer-focused publisher that empowers independent studios to develop the games that they are passionate about creating, while providing the support that they need to make their titles critically and commercially successful on a global scale. The label publishes Kerbal Space Program and will publish upcoming titles with renowned creative talent at studios including Obsidian Entertainment, The Outsiders, Panache Digital Games, and V1 Interactive.
It seems that "2K Games, Inc. " has been dropped in favour of "Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc", and "2K Games" is restricted to 2K titles outside of their 2K Play and 2K Sports titles. The article should be updated to reflect these changes. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 02:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
How about something along these lines? The lead could be rewritten thus:
2K Games, Inc., or 2K, is an American video game publisher, a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive. They release games under the 2K Games, 2K Sports and 2K Play labels. Notable series include Borderlands, Civilization, The Darkness, BioShock, NBA 2K and WWE 2K. [1] It was created on January 25, 2005 after Take-Two acquired developer Visual Concepts, and its wholly owned subsidiary Kush Games, from Sega for US$24 million. [2] The name "2K Games" comes from Visual Concepts' sports game lineup, typically referred to as the 2K series.
References
I think this covers the bases so to speak, by introducing the currently marketed name of "2K" while also acknowledging "2K Games, Inc." sources. It also explains the three 2K labels they separate games into, which I think will help to clarify matters. The rest is minor c/e. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 16:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Notable titles include Borderlands, Civilization, The Darkness, BioShock, NBA 2K and WWE 2K.. Now NBA 2K and WWE 2K are both 2K Sports titles. If "2K Games, Inc." excludes NBA 2K and WWE 2K why are they included?
How about this? https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=24600285
2K Games, Inc. Announces Availability of NBA 2KVR Experience Nov 21 16
2K Games, Inc. has announced the availability of NBA 2KVR Experience, the first virtual reality basketball game immersing players in a new, entertaining NBA environment filled with the sights and sounds of fun mini-games and challenges. Available beginning on November 22, 2016 on PlayStationVR, HTC Vive and Samsung Gear VR, the new experience continues the dominance of the NBA 2K series. In the NBA 2KVR Experience, players will join NBA 2K17 cover athlete and All-Star Paul George, as they step onto the court at the Indiana Pacers' stadium, Bankers Life Fieldhouse.
How many sources do you need? --Jules (Mrjulesd) 17:55, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Because there is every indication that 2K and 2K Games Inc. are the same entity. That would make 2K Sports a label of 2K (=2K Games, Inc.). See https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=24600285
2K Games, Inc. develops and publishes interactive entertainment games for console systems, handheld gaming systems, and personal computers that include smartphones and tablets. The company publishes titles in various gaming genres, including shooters, action, role-playing, strategy, sports, casual, and family entertainment. Its products are delivered through physical retail, digital download, online platforms, and cloud streaming services in the United States and internationally. 2K Games, Inc. also offers its products through its online store, as well as offers apparel and accessories for men and women. The company was incorporated in 2004 and is based in Novato, California. 2K Games, Inc. ...
www.2k.com
2K Games, Inc. Key Developments
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. Appoints David Ismailer as New President of 2K May 31 17
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. announced that David Ismailer has been appointed as the new President of 2K. Mr. Ismailer began working with Take-Two in 2002 as Vice President and Senior Counsel. Mr. Ismailer began working with Take-Two in 2002 as Vice President and Senior Counsel. In 2005, the year that 2K was formed, he was appointed the label’s Chief Operating Officer and Senior Vice President of Publishing Operations. Prior to joining Take-Two, he was an attorney at Morrison Cohen, where he practiced M&A and intellectual property law.
--Jules (Mrjulesd) 18:25, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking it will be nice to merge the sub-labels into one and rename the page simply 2K and not 2K Games. my apologize if this topic is not new. BBMatBlood ( talk) 03:09, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
guessing factual? it clearly seen on their website take2games.com on the front page our labels, the investors page, on their annual reports (which state four publishing labels- Rockstar Games, 2K, Private Division (yet to be incorporated but have 4 offices in different cities around the US and World) and Social Point). I am not guessing or joking. 217.114.161.20 ( talk) 22:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
With all these dispute on whether it 2K or 2K Games or 2K Games/2K Sports/2K Play should all merge wont a vote be needed like AT&T WarnerMedia (the Warner Media or WarnerMedia dispute was a fun time haha). Lord? BBMatBlood ( talk) 22:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I spoke with them,
"Take-Two owns many publishers. Ourselves, 2K, Rockstar, and Private Division."
Which means they went up to the main parent. Ghost Story is daughter of Take-Two, not 2K again legal separate companies, who here doesnt understand M&A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 ( talk • contribs) 00:29, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
After some time to think about it, I got back to researching this. TTWO's 2009 through 2012 annual reports consistently read:
Our business consists of our wholly-owned labels Rockstar Games and 2K, which publishes its titles under 2K Games, 2K Sports and 2K Play.
(emphasis mine)
Then, consistently from 2013 onwards, "2K Games" becomes a footnote under "Principal Operating Offices" alongside 2K Sports; 2K Play completely vanished. Back when we were arguing this, I used a lot (and I mean A LOT) of original research to back up my stance. I didn't know better but I was greatly supported. In the same original research, the individual studios are split up between the three labels; all of them are referred to as "2K studios", not adhering to any specific label, and sources don't put it this way either. What's more, 2K has completely scrapped the "2K Games" and "2K Sports" names, instead, all boxes simply since mid-2013 simply show "2K".
To avoid as much original research as possible, I plan to do a 180 and merge the three articles. This would include merging the histories and add an explanation of the present situation, creating a single list for all 2K studios, and renaming this article to simply "2K (company)". Unless there are significant arguments against this move, I will proceed with is sometime this weekend. Lordtobi ( ✉) 23:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
The article title is disambiguated with "(company)", but it appears more like a label. Also publishing label might be more accurate in the lead. IgelRM ( talk) 05:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
X is an American video game publisher and a label of Take-Two Interactive based in Y