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Hello, I have twice undone edits calling the duo Slovenian and Croaloltian. The reason for this is because both Sulic and Hauser are Croatian, but Sulic was born in Slovenia. He has dual citizenship, but is not actually of Croatian heritage (his parents are Croatian). Because of this, and because the two first met in Croatia, I think it would be simplest and most logical to say that their origin is "Croatia". The article could say that Sulic is Slovenian Croatian, whether in the lede or in a footnote, but I think this only complicates the issue and is not directly relevant to the article. Now, this would likely warrant a mention if their nationalities were disputed in the media or something similar, but for now, I think it is more appropriate to say "Croatian" and be done with it. This is also how the majority of sources are reporting the duo. / ƒETCH COMMS / 18:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
The only trustworthy reference is http://www.matica.hr/www/vijesti2www.nsf/AllWebDocs/ciklus202?OpenDocument ,also saying he is from Dubrovnik http://dubrovacki.hr/clanak/25976/pozdrav-mojim-pilarima .In the end their OFFICIAL facebook page should be enough http://www.facebook.com/2cellos/info. So stop changing the article. They are both Croatian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.141.122.228 ( talk) 16:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Again,just so that everyone can see this,ULTIMATE proof. In the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q28RhnkhMgs&feature=related see part at 0:55 mark (you are both from Croatia: and they say YES) , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=531gS0UW-XQ&feature=related see part at 1:40 mark (you guys are from Croatia,what do you miss most about that beautiful country ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odiriuss ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I am done arguing with you. You cannot prove your points,you have no evidence for your claims and you refuse to accept valid evidence such as: In the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q28RhnkhMgs&feature=related see part at 0:55 mark (you are both from Croatia: and they say YES) , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=531gS0UW-XQ&feature=related see part at 1:40 mark (you guys are from Croatia,what do you miss most about that beautiful country ).
A better question would be why didn't he say he was Slovenian in both of those interviews if he was.
Or why didn't the host announce them as a cello duo from Croatia and Slovenia rather then just Croatia in the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wtBXkGrxws , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuCRU5lLX8 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4oNp9iAnRI&feature=related . Luka would feel insulted if he was Slovenian,to have his country not mentioned not once,not twice but at least three times, wouldn't he?
Or why does it say in the article on Elton John page they are both Croatian? The man they are currently on tour with would surely know? http://www.eltonjohn.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&contentid=20202498
Or why does their OFFICIAL facebook page say hometown: Croatia, instead of hometown: Croatia and Slovenia? http://www.facebook.com/2cellos/info
When you can answer all of those questions and find video proof that says otherwise,you can change the article. Odiriuss ( talk) 11:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
According to Template:Infobox musical artist, the "origin" section of the Infobox is for "the city from which the singer or group originated (that is, the city where the group was founded; or the city where individual performers started their career, should it not match the location of their birth)", so should be Zagreb, Croatia, and not include Slovenia. As for the introduction, I think it would probably be best to avoid mentioning the nationality of the duo. Their backgrounds are described in the first section, so I see no need to include it in the intro. Number 5 7 12:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
As I hate seeing banners at the top of articles, I have made the change and removed it. Good luck sorting out the rest of the issues! Number 5 7 15:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree with the article staying in this form,origin clearly state Croatia,birth place is a different thing. I will take Luka Sulic article to WP:DRN because facts simply cannot be denied. Thank you User:Number57 for your help. I would also like to ask you to lock the article in this form to prevent further vandalism. Thank you in advance! Odiriuss ( talk) 16:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Seems I was right all along Eleassar, and you actually were abusing your rights by making the article fit your perspective...Truth hurts, doesn't it? Odiriuss ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
If you have anything to say say it here Eleassar . Their official page http://www.2cellos.com/us/biography has been updated as has their official facebook page http://www.facebook.com/2cellos/info ,since Wikipedia is based on facts not fiction please refrain yourself from changing the article as i will be forced to report you. Odiriuss ( talk) Odiriuss ( talk) 08:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
what would really be something 2cellos x rammstein collaboration — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.242.150.136 ( talk) 18:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2011/06/welcome_to_the_jungle_as_perfo.php
Google searching for "Luka Sulik +Serbia" returns 0 hits. I think this is pretty conclusive. Gaijin42 ( talk) 14:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hello, I have twice undone edits calling the duo Slovenian and Croaloltian. The reason for this is because both Sulic and Hauser are Croatian, but Sulic was born in Slovenia. He has dual citizenship, but is not actually of Croatian heritage (his parents are Croatian). Because of this, and because the two first met in Croatia, I think it would be simplest and most logical to say that their origin is "Croatia". The article could say that Sulic is Slovenian Croatian, whether in the lede or in a footnote, but I think this only complicates the issue and is not directly relevant to the article. Now, this would likely warrant a mention if their nationalities were disputed in the media or something similar, but for now, I think it is more appropriate to say "Croatian" and be done with it. This is also how the majority of sources are reporting the duo. / ƒETCH COMMS / 18:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
The only trustworthy reference is http://www.matica.hr/www/vijesti2www.nsf/AllWebDocs/ciklus202?OpenDocument ,also saying he is from Dubrovnik http://dubrovacki.hr/clanak/25976/pozdrav-mojim-pilarima .In the end their OFFICIAL facebook page should be enough http://www.facebook.com/2cellos/info. So stop changing the article. They are both Croatian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.141.122.228 ( talk) 16:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Again,just so that everyone can see this,ULTIMATE proof. In the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q28RhnkhMgs&feature=related see part at 0:55 mark (you are both from Croatia: and they say YES) , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=531gS0UW-XQ&feature=related see part at 1:40 mark (you guys are from Croatia,what do you miss most about that beautiful country ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odiriuss ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I am done arguing with you. You cannot prove your points,you have no evidence for your claims and you refuse to accept valid evidence such as: In the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q28RhnkhMgs&feature=related see part at 0:55 mark (you are both from Croatia: and they say YES) , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=531gS0UW-XQ&feature=related see part at 1:40 mark (you guys are from Croatia,what do you miss most about that beautiful country ).
A better question would be why didn't he say he was Slovenian in both of those interviews if he was.
Or why didn't the host announce them as a cello duo from Croatia and Slovenia rather then just Croatia in the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wtBXkGrxws , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkuCRU5lLX8 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4oNp9iAnRI&feature=related . Luka would feel insulted if he was Slovenian,to have his country not mentioned not once,not twice but at least three times, wouldn't he?
Or why does it say in the article on Elton John page they are both Croatian? The man they are currently on tour with would surely know? http://www.eltonjohn.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&contentid=20202498
Or why does their OFFICIAL facebook page say hometown: Croatia, instead of hometown: Croatia and Slovenia? http://www.facebook.com/2cellos/info
When you can answer all of those questions and find video proof that says otherwise,you can change the article. Odiriuss ( talk) 11:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
According to Template:Infobox musical artist, the "origin" section of the Infobox is for "the city from which the singer or group originated (that is, the city where the group was founded; or the city where individual performers started their career, should it not match the location of their birth)", so should be Zagreb, Croatia, and not include Slovenia. As for the introduction, I think it would probably be best to avoid mentioning the nationality of the duo. Their backgrounds are described in the first section, so I see no need to include it in the intro. Number 5 7 12:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
As I hate seeing banners at the top of articles, I have made the change and removed it. Good luck sorting out the rest of the issues! Number 5 7 15:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
I agree with the article staying in this form,origin clearly state Croatia,birth place is a different thing. I will take Luka Sulic article to WP:DRN because facts simply cannot be denied. Thank you User:Number57 for your help. I would also like to ask you to lock the article in this form to prevent further vandalism. Thank you in advance! Odiriuss ( talk) 16:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Seems I was right all along Eleassar, and you actually were abusing your rights by making the article fit your perspective...Truth hurts, doesn't it? Odiriuss ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
If you have anything to say say it here Eleassar . Their official page http://www.2cellos.com/us/biography has been updated as has their official facebook page http://www.facebook.com/2cellos/info ,since Wikipedia is based on facts not fiction please refrain yourself from changing the article as i will be forced to report you. Odiriuss ( talk) Odiriuss ( talk) 08:52, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
what would really be something 2cellos x rammstein collaboration — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.242.150.136 ( talk) 18:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2011/06/welcome_to_the_jungle_as_perfo.php
Google searching for "Luka Sulik +Serbia" returns 0 hits. I think this is pretty conclusive. Gaijin42 ( talk) 14:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)