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User:Onel5969, regarding your revert with the edit summary "Restore redirect - dupe article", which existing article is this one duplicating? Schwede 66 03:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Most of the detail in this page is pure speculation - there is a whole info box of party leaders and details about them. None of this is known nor referencable this far out. The page should probably be deleted. Or severerly edited to current facts only. Andrewgprout ( talk) 07:34, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Can someone verify my calculations for getting 13 Jan 2024 as the last possible date this election could be held? The math seems right but the date just feels wrong. Nixinova T C 02:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
The Elections in New Zealand page says "The Constitution Act 1986 requires new parliamentary elections every three years, unless a major crisis arises or the prime minister loses the ability to command a majority in parliament." The latter isn't possible and the former is more WP:CRYSTAL so I think the idea should be reconsidered in light of an MMP majority making the possible snap election not possible. Nixinova T C 21:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Schwede66: Is it okay if I moved it to 2023 New Zealand general election because the Prime Minister said that election will be held November next year. Villian Factman ( talk) 10:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Happy new year everyone! I propose that we move the article to "2023 New Zealand general election". Obviously, a 2022 snap election didn't happen. It's theoretically possible that the election will be held in January 2024 but that is simply not realistic. Is there anything that should hold us back making such a page move? Schwede 66 21:34, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to refer to the Opportunities Party as having a platform of populism? The Populism article describes it as frequently being associated with anti-establishment and anti-political, but although it clearly wants to change things it's never been my impression of TOP's policies that it wants to radically pull apart the political system. It seems to have been inserted by an anonymous edit on 25th July. [3] For the other parties I'd happily apply it to NZ First, which seems to rely lots on the popularity and personality of its leader. I don't know enough about the New Conservative Party. -- Izogi ( talk) 01:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Is the coincidence of the NZ election being on the same day as the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum any more relevant here than in Australia ( where it is not relevant)? Is it important to the Kiwis? I don't know - I'm an Australian, not a NZer. Mitch Ames ( talk) 03:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, I have placed media coverage of party announcements and policies in the Campaigns section of the article. Was wondering whether it would be better to place these in the issues section of the article. They can then be organised thematically based on issues such as health, law and order, climate change, etc? There is a paragraph discussing Labour, Greens, National and ACT's immigration policies in the issues section but most of the campaign issues are in the campaigns section. Have looked at the 2017 New Zealand general election and the 2019 United Kingdom general election for comparisons. Let me know what you think. Andykatib ( talk) 12:57, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Andykatib, you wrote: On 6 October, NZ First released its election manifesto, which revised its earlier promise to drop
GST on basic foods in favour of a select committee of inquiry.
Not quite; this is what happened:
That's written up in the Spinoff's Bulletin, its daily newsletter. That newsletter isn't online, but you can subscribe to it for free. The relevant passage reads:
GST was also the subject of perhaps the most interesting story to emerge from last night’s TVNZ minor leaders debate. Asked whether he supported removing GST from food, NZ First leader Winston Peters said he did not. Just one problem: the party’s own manifesto, published just moments before the debate commenced, said it would do exactly that. "We will take GST off basic foods including fresh food, vegetables, meat, dairy, and fish,” its policy page read – and you can’t get much clearer than that. Still, Peters insisted that NZ First would only consider removing GST from food, and the web page was quickly updated to reflect this new policy.
I hope that's useful. Schwede 66 02:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Call it original research, but I had a chat with somebody from the Electoral Commission about this issue. I was told that the limited operating hours are no different to how the 2017 general election was run. It WAS different in 2020 but that was a deliberate effort to provide lots more polling capacity so that voters could spread out, limiting the risk of COVID infections. If this is correct, it's surprising that there is such media attention on something that is the same as it was six years ago. Schwede 66 05:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 05:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Option 1:
Same with option 2. Schwede 66 07:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, sorry to have to ask this, but not sure how to create the images myself. I wanted to see if someone with the skills could please create a map that labels the electorates? There is such images for every NZ MMP election from 1996-2017, under electorate results (e.g. /info/en/?search=File:New_Zealand_electorates,_2017.svg or /info/en/?search=File:New_Zealand_electorates,_2014.svg ). But the beautiful images for 2023 and 2020 sadly lack the labels. I'm worried this could make it difficult for readers to match up which candidates ran where, geographically, in future - particularly after the next census / redraw by the Representation Commission. Would be very grateful if anyone could do something about this please? Sb101FV ( talk) 12:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC) cc: @ Kiwiz1338:, @ Matthew McMullin:, @ TheLoyalOrder:/@ Jakoats02:, @ Erinthecute:, @ Korakys:, @ Vardion:.
@ Lcmortensen. The total estimate eligible population is 3,871,418. We can't base the eligible population on the total enrolled population as unenrolled people can vote too, just have to do a special vote. In the rare scenario everyone who was enrolled voted and some people that were unenrolled voted too you would have to go above 100%. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 09:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
given that overseas ballots will likely hold a key balance in this election to determine whether or not National+ACT need New Zealand First or not it is likely that a full finalized results page by vote.nz will not be released for anywhere from 1-3 weeks. given this circumstance I will most likely not be able to 100% fill the map in but I shall do the bits I can. Matthew McMullin ( talk) 12:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Decensor "****ing" to "fucking" - it just looks stupid this way. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300983505/tova-podcast-white-people-are-stupid-labour-minister-ing-useless--the-latest-candidate-in-twitterx-trouble 176.104.110.11 ( talk) 14:39, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Does someone know how many outstanding absentee or other early votes have yet to be counted? Total number of votes so far at only 2.2 million ballots cast, this number stood at 2.9 million at the last election. 2003:DA:C74D:BD00:4EB:6E76:D242:460D ( talk) 23:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello, just to know following a discussion here about the seat diagram. It's got its dots slightly cut on the bottom end since the recent modification, right? It's more visible on the left side. Or am I the one one to see it? Aréat ( talk) 05:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Kia ora, was just wondering people's thoughts on ACT being magenta? Seems they've been mostly been using magenta as their primary colour this time around.
I had suggested using magenta on the map in the infobox as opposed to the orange it was changed to since concerns of clashing with te pati maori came up. Jakoats02 ( talk) 23:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Is this necessary? These are cited to tweets and congratulating other world leaders on their election is pretty much standard regardless of the victor. I feel like it would only be worth including if another country denounced the election result. ITBF ( talk) 11:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Figured since the final results ended up with more seats than expected, it'd be a good idea to either update the current file to reflect the latest results or supersede the file with one that matches the current results, and since it wouldn't let me upload an updated version of the current file, I decided to upload an updated version under a different name. I'm not 100% sure if the copyright matches up, so if someone were willing to check that for me, I'd greatly appreciate that, as I'm fairly new to wikimedia/pedia editing. Here's the link to the file I made as a candidate to replace the current one though: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2023_NZ_House_of_Representatives.svg
GlowstoneUnknown ( talk) 05:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
@ RileySpaghetti kia ora, I think the image currently used looks weird. I don't know what exactly, weird facial expression maybe. Photo i had changed it to I think is better - looks less weird. Though I'll agree it's lower resolution but i don't think its terrible resolution. TheLoyalOrder ( talk) 05:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Speaking of weird photos, is there not a better/official photo for David Seymour that could be used in the infobox? The current one looks out of place, like it's a capture from a zoom call or something. 161.29.216.215 ( talk) 02:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
The party vote figures do not match those at https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2023/. E.g. Nat now 1,085,851, Lab now 767,540, etc. I'm guessing this is because of recounts, but I'm not certain. Normally I would plunge forward, but just wanted to get a 2nd opinion. Nurg ( talk) 02:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
My white background Seymour photo was classed as "artificial", but I open the article today to find a bright yellow background on him. That's actually funny. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 07:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Is artificially adding coloured backgrounds to the party leaders portraits necessary or helpful for legibility? I haven't seen this done on any other election wikibox and I'd like to know the reasoning behind it and a debate on whether it is necessary before it is done to every other wiki box in new zealand history. @TheLoyalOrder RileySpaghetti ( talk) 01:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
The recently added photograph in the infobox of Christopher Luxon is not artifical. This is his 2023 candidate photo supplied directly by the National Party and it includes a blue background. It is similar to how the photo of Hipkins is his 2023 candidate photo which was supplied by the Labour Party and it includes a white background. The photographs of the two Green Party leaders are also their 2023 candidate photos which are supplied by the Green Party. All of these photos are also used on all of the MPs' respective Wikipedia articles.
See:
If you remove the Luxon photo, then you might as well remove the Hipkins photo as they are both supplied by their respective parties. They both have their own backgrounds that have not been edited or modified. DDMS123 ( talk) 22:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
The detailed results table lists 59,043 disallowed votes. The source for the table has no mention of "disallowed votes" at all. Where does this number come from and how are disallowed votes different from informal votes? Peetel ( talk) 01:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
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User:Onel5969, regarding your revert with the edit summary "Restore redirect - dupe article", which existing article is this one duplicating? Schwede 66 03:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Most of the detail in this page is pure speculation - there is a whole info box of party leaders and details about them. None of this is known nor referencable this far out. The page should probably be deleted. Or severerly edited to current facts only. Andrewgprout ( talk) 07:34, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Can someone verify my calculations for getting 13 Jan 2024 as the last possible date this election could be held? The math seems right but the date just feels wrong. Nixinova T C 02:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
The Elections in New Zealand page says "The Constitution Act 1986 requires new parliamentary elections every three years, unless a major crisis arises or the prime minister loses the ability to command a majority in parliament." The latter isn't possible and the former is more WP:CRYSTAL so I think the idea should be reconsidered in light of an MMP majority making the possible snap election not possible. Nixinova T C 21:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Schwede66: Is it okay if I moved it to 2023 New Zealand general election because the Prime Minister said that election will be held November next year. Villian Factman ( talk) 10:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Happy new year everyone! I propose that we move the article to "2023 New Zealand general election". Obviously, a 2022 snap election didn't happen. It's theoretically possible that the election will be held in January 2024 but that is simply not realistic. Is there anything that should hold us back making such a page move? Schwede 66 21:34, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to refer to the Opportunities Party as having a platform of populism? The Populism article describes it as frequently being associated with anti-establishment and anti-political, but although it clearly wants to change things it's never been my impression of TOP's policies that it wants to radically pull apart the political system. It seems to have been inserted by an anonymous edit on 25th July. [3] For the other parties I'd happily apply it to NZ First, which seems to rely lots on the popularity and personality of its leader. I don't know enough about the New Conservative Party. -- Izogi ( talk) 01:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Is the coincidence of the NZ election being on the same day as the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum any more relevant here than in Australia ( where it is not relevant)? Is it important to the Kiwis? I don't know - I'm an Australian, not a NZer. Mitch Ames ( talk) 03:29, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, I have placed media coverage of party announcements and policies in the Campaigns section of the article. Was wondering whether it would be better to place these in the issues section of the article. They can then be organised thematically based on issues such as health, law and order, climate change, etc? There is a paragraph discussing Labour, Greens, National and ACT's immigration policies in the issues section but most of the campaign issues are in the campaigns section. Have looked at the 2017 New Zealand general election and the 2019 United Kingdom general election for comparisons. Let me know what you think. Andykatib ( talk) 12:57, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Andykatib, you wrote: On 6 October, NZ First released its election manifesto, which revised its earlier promise to drop
GST on basic foods in favour of a select committee of inquiry.
Not quite; this is what happened:
That's written up in the Spinoff's Bulletin, its daily newsletter. That newsletter isn't online, but you can subscribe to it for free. The relevant passage reads:
GST was also the subject of perhaps the most interesting story to emerge from last night’s TVNZ minor leaders debate. Asked whether he supported removing GST from food, NZ First leader Winston Peters said he did not. Just one problem: the party’s own manifesto, published just moments before the debate commenced, said it would do exactly that. "We will take GST off basic foods including fresh food, vegetables, meat, dairy, and fish,” its policy page read – and you can’t get much clearer than that. Still, Peters insisted that NZ First would only consider removing GST from food, and the web page was quickly updated to reflect this new policy.
I hope that's useful. Schwede 66 02:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
Call it original research, but I had a chat with somebody from the Electoral Commission about this issue. I was told that the limited operating hours are no different to how the 2017 general election was run. It WAS different in 2020 but that was a deliberate effort to provide lots more polling capacity so that voters could spread out, limiting the risk of COVID infections. If this is correct, it's surprising that there is such media attention on something that is the same as it was six years ago. Schwede 66 05:40, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 05:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Option 1:
Same with option 2. Schwede 66 07:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, sorry to have to ask this, but not sure how to create the images myself. I wanted to see if someone with the skills could please create a map that labels the electorates? There is such images for every NZ MMP election from 1996-2017, under electorate results (e.g. /info/en/?search=File:New_Zealand_electorates,_2017.svg or /info/en/?search=File:New_Zealand_electorates,_2014.svg ). But the beautiful images for 2023 and 2020 sadly lack the labels. I'm worried this could make it difficult for readers to match up which candidates ran where, geographically, in future - particularly after the next census / redraw by the Representation Commission. Would be very grateful if anyone could do something about this please? Sb101FV ( talk) 12:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC) cc: @ Kiwiz1338:, @ Matthew McMullin:, @ TheLoyalOrder:/@ Jakoats02:, @ Erinthecute:, @ Korakys:, @ Vardion:.
@ Lcmortensen. The total estimate eligible population is 3,871,418. We can't base the eligible population on the total enrolled population as unenrolled people can vote too, just have to do a special vote. In the rare scenario everyone who was enrolled voted and some people that were unenrolled voted too you would have to go above 100%. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 09:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
given that overseas ballots will likely hold a key balance in this election to determine whether or not National+ACT need New Zealand First or not it is likely that a full finalized results page by vote.nz will not be released for anywhere from 1-3 weeks. given this circumstance I will most likely not be able to 100% fill the map in but I shall do the bits I can. Matthew McMullin ( talk) 12:45, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Decensor "****ing" to "fucking" - it just looks stupid this way. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300983505/tova-podcast-white-people-are-stupid-labour-minister-ing-useless--the-latest-candidate-in-twitterx-trouble 176.104.110.11 ( talk) 14:39, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Does someone know how many outstanding absentee or other early votes have yet to be counted? Total number of votes so far at only 2.2 million ballots cast, this number stood at 2.9 million at the last election. 2003:DA:C74D:BD00:4EB:6E76:D242:460D ( talk) 23:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello, just to know following a discussion here about the seat diagram. It's got its dots slightly cut on the bottom end since the recent modification, right? It's more visible on the left side. Or am I the one one to see it? Aréat ( talk) 05:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Kia ora, was just wondering people's thoughts on ACT being magenta? Seems they've been mostly been using magenta as their primary colour this time around.
I had suggested using magenta on the map in the infobox as opposed to the orange it was changed to since concerns of clashing with te pati maori came up. Jakoats02 ( talk) 23:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Is this necessary? These are cited to tweets and congratulating other world leaders on their election is pretty much standard regardless of the victor. I feel like it would only be worth including if another country denounced the election result. ITBF ( talk) 11:50, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Figured since the final results ended up with more seats than expected, it'd be a good idea to either update the current file to reflect the latest results or supersede the file with one that matches the current results, and since it wouldn't let me upload an updated version of the current file, I decided to upload an updated version under a different name. I'm not 100% sure if the copyright matches up, so if someone were willing to check that for me, I'd greatly appreciate that, as I'm fairly new to wikimedia/pedia editing. Here's the link to the file I made as a candidate to replace the current one though: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2023_NZ_House_of_Representatives.svg
GlowstoneUnknown ( talk) 05:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
@ RileySpaghetti kia ora, I think the image currently used looks weird. I don't know what exactly, weird facial expression maybe. Photo i had changed it to I think is better - looks less weird. Though I'll agree it's lower resolution but i don't think its terrible resolution. TheLoyalOrder ( talk) 05:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Speaking of weird photos, is there not a better/official photo for David Seymour that could be used in the infobox? The current one looks out of place, like it's a capture from a zoom call or something. 161.29.216.215 ( talk) 02:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
The party vote figures do not match those at https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2023/. E.g. Nat now 1,085,851, Lab now 767,540, etc. I'm guessing this is because of recounts, but I'm not certain. Normally I would plunge forward, but just wanted to get a 2nd opinion. Nurg ( talk) 02:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
My white background Seymour photo was classed as "artificial", but I open the article today to find a bright yellow background on him. That's actually funny. Kiwiz1338 ( talk) 07:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Is artificially adding coloured backgrounds to the party leaders portraits necessary or helpful for legibility? I haven't seen this done on any other election wikibox and I'd like to know the reasoning behind it and a debate on whether it is necessary before it is done to every other wiki box in new zealand history. @TheLoyalOrder RileySpaghetti ( talk) 01:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
The recently added photograph in the infobox of Christopher Luxon is not artifical. This is his 2023 candidate photo supplied directly by the National Party and it includes a blue background. It is similar to how the photo of Hipkins is his 2023 candidate photo which was supplied by the Labour Party and it includes a white background. The photographs of the two Green Party leaders are also their 2023 candidate photos which are supplied by the Green Party. All of these photos are also used on all of the MPs' respective Wikipedia articles.
See:
If you remove the Luxon photo, then you might as well remove the Hipkins photo as they are both supplied by their respective parties. They both have their own backgrounds that have not been edited or modified. DDMS123 ( talk) 22:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
The detailed results table lists 59,043 disallowed votes. The source for the table has no mention of "disallowed votes" at all. Where does this number come from and how are disallowed votes different from informal votes? Peetel ( talk) 01:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)