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Sorry to be a a pain, but is there some sort of convention that dictates when we create new F1 championship pages? If there isn't, what is the gain to Wikipedia by creating a page about a sporting event that won't happen for 1 1/4 years? BMB YT 500000 ( talk) 17:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
@SSSB Great, thanks. BMB YT 500000 ( talk) 17:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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please add the car name of McLaren is going to use in 2023, because the news has been released by Racefans.net also releases the car name, here is the link: https://www.racefans.net/2023/01/06/mclaren-confirm-february-13th-launch-date-for-mcl37/ 223.19.112.230 ( talk) 00:45, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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Section: Enactment of political gestures "was not used to help fufil drivers' "private personal agenda"."
fufil is mispelled; it should be either fulfil or fulfill Orly.junior ( talk) 18:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (information presented in entrants table and calendar is correct according to current contracts) -- GTDrift19 ( talk) 21:05, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
I think the block of "2023 Formula One Word Championship" should be removed. The reason given for the block in October 2021 was faulty since it is not the same to start this article in late 2021 or in 2022 as in 2020. A deletion reason that may have been valid in 2020 cannot necessarily be considered valid any more when the date changes. I doubt that the admin deleting the article in October 2021 had a real look at the article; he just saw that the article was deleted previously. Also, there is a draft for this article already and it should be moved to the article now since more info begins to come in and due to this block of recreation the development of the article is seriously hampered. -- Maxl ( talk) 13:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
unique content for this article. A list of contracts does not satisfy the GNG, and creating the page from that draft would make it elegible for deletion under CSD § G4 because it would be sufficiently identical to both previously deleted versions (which are all just lists of contracts). Until coverage of the season exists, an article can not. 5225C ( talk • contributions) 02:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Although this version is substationally similar to previous versions, a large number of new sources now exist, meaning the grounds of the last deletion discussion ( WP:TOOSOON) no longer hold true. See as an example: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. SSSB ( talk) 10:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Diffuser is clearly spelt wrong (diffisur) in the following paragraph “Following large amounts of porpoising during 2022, the FIA is introducting changes to the regulations to limit excessive porposing. Floor edges will be raised by 25 millimetres (0.98 in) and the throat of the diffisur will also be raised, by a yet to be determined amount. Lateral floor deflection tests are also due to be more stringent.” Please correct it 2A02:C7F:5817:8E00:F045:A264:B3B4:5B02 ( talk) 00:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Actually, it should have existed a long ago. Historically, we have always had an article for the next season that covered all the development - proposed calendar, proposed regulation changes, confirmed drivers or confirmed retirements, etc. As a Wikipedia user, I expect this article to exist and provide the information I mentioned. When I want to remind myself who will be driving for which team next year (or which team still has a vacancy, i.e. no signed driver), or what races will be added or removed, my first choice is always the Wikipedia page for the next season. This time, through the stubbornness of the admins, who falsely believe there is nothing to be covered yet, Wikipedia has failed me. We are well into the part of the season when information about next year is being announced bit by bit and Wikipedia must cover that from day 1. Peepay ( talk) 15:10, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Generally speaking, I would suggest that in future we create season articles in around the June the year before (i.e. 2024 Formula One World Championship would be created by June 2023, am open to other months) with a WP:IAR approach to WP:GNG as a Formula One season can reasonably be presumed notable even without sources that specifically discuss that season (due to a lack of news). Because I feel that with this article we have gone from one extreme (created in early 2020) to another (still not created in August 2022). SSSB ( talk) 20:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
there needs to be coverage of the season, not of its constituent parts.is also wrong. No source is going to cover every part of the season until someone publishes a pre-season preview in the week preceding the opening round. This is exactly what I mean, you are applying WP:GNG in an overly strict fashion. Later today, I will request the unprotection of this page, citing the variaety of sources that are now speculating over next year's calendar and driver line up. SSSB ( talk) 08:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
It seems highly likely that the 2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix will be held at the Jeddah Corniche Circuit, as the official circuit social media accounts are saying preparations are underway for a third race there. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg2Wbxaom4D/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Norgz1328 ( talk) 10:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
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Are we allowed to add date of 2023 Australian GP? proof: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/date-set-2023-australian-grand-prix/10353304/ Marcusyg ( talk) 07:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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Piastri’s driver number is listed as #81 has this been confirmed yet? 5.68.144.17 ( talk) 14:18, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
It has now been confirmed on Racefans.net, attached is the headline for it confirming that Piastri will race with the car number 81. https://www.racefans.net/2022/09/27/piastri-explains-why-he-chose-number-81-for-f1-debut-in-2023/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7E:2E10:900:207D:9256:C91A:8A86 ( talk) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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As of 06/10/2022, the Belgian Grand Prix Weekend (28-30 July 2023) clashes with the TOTALENERGIES 24 Hours Of Spa, a Fanatec GT World Challenge Europe event. Ojoj149149 ( talk) 13:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
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The driver number de Vries is going to use in the 2023 season is listed as TBA while he has had previous sessions using #45. I'm unsure if a procedure has to be completed to verify #45 for the 2023 season but isn't it highly unusual to change a driver number? -- Jurgenwesterhof ( talk) 09:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Ps the reply link is added automatically to the end of signatures. It isn't something you need to manually add. If you sign your comment, the reply link will appear. SSSB ( talk) 10:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Anybody know who will be reserve/test driver per team for 23 season? All i know is
Mercedes: ricciardo Aston martin: drugovich & varndoorne Haas: fittipaldi Alfa romeo: theo 36.80.147.102 ( talk) 11:51, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
If the point you are getting at is: why doesn't this article list the reserve drivers? It is becuase they don't play a part in the season, at least not anymore than the engineers, or stratergists, so it would be outside of the scope of the article to discuss it here. When the final race of the season is over, next year's confirmed reserve drivers will appear in the infoboxes of the relevant teams. SSSB ( talk) 13:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Nico Hülkenberg has been confirmed by the Haas team for a seat in 2023. It was announced by Motorsport.com
″I was not prepared to going into the Aston Martin, but into Haas i have yet.″ Nico Hülkenberg https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-set-to-announce-hulkenberg-f1-deal-for-2023/10399888/— Preceding unsigned comment added by Matulda4 ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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Chinese Grand Prix China Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai 16 April
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Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai 16 April [CANCELLED] Rohitpad ( talk) 02:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Helmut confirmed this during FP1 at the Abu Dhabi GP 2022 Lineupandwait ( talk) 13:48, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
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Remove the AMR-23 and the Merc W14 from the entry list as it has not been confirmed yet and also add car number 81 to Oscar Piastri as the car number has been announced by himself on his twitter already 218.188.208.98 ( talk) 05:28, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Remove the AMR23 and W14 link and their references in entry list as the chassis name has not been confirmed yet 218.188.221.130 ( talk) 06:09, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
The Chinese GP is "expected to be cancelled", but this hasn't been officially confirmed yet, so it is WP:SPECULATION to claim on here that it's been cancelled. Read the sources: Crash, BBC, Planet F1 all say expected or set to be cancelled, but we must wait until F1 actually confirms this. Pinging Eurovision1323 who I reverted on this. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:58, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
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please change name of engine of Red Bull to Honda RBPT as that was how fia mentioned in the 2023 entry list, proof: https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2023/2023-fia-formula-one-world-championship-entry 223.19.112.230 ( talk) 14:47, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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Please consider add a calendar of the launch date of each team’s car as Aston Martinhad revealed their date of car launch. 223.19.112.230 ( talk) 09:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Ved havet and Island92: I can see there is a disagreement regarding McLaren's team name, namely that the entry lists show the team has entered as "McLaren Formula 1 Team" while we have previously displayed it as "McLaren F1 Team". Although McLaren is the point of disagreement, Mercedes and Aston Martin have entered themselves as Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS Formula One Team" and "Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team" but have been listed as "Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team" and "Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant F1 Team". This has been done for several previous seasons, but I am not aware of any existing WP:F1 consensus. I am of the opinion that the team name should be reproduced exactly as it appears on the entry list (minus capitalisation styling) but I can understand that abbreviating Formula One or Formula 1 to F1 doesn't really have a functional impact. Treating them consistently is, however, vitally important, so we wil either have to reproduce all team names exactly as they appear on the entry list, or abbreviate all team names. 5225C ( talk • contributions) 02:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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please add a section in the technical regulation change that there will be a weight reduction from 798 kg to 796kg, source: 2023 FiA Formula One Technical Regulation (2023; issue 4) (external site, from fia.com)
The mass of the car, without fuel, must not be less than
798kg796kg at all times during the Competition
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Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Wikipedia is not the technical regulations and therefore I feel that minor changes in the regulations (which aren't covered in a half-decent level of detail by secondary sources, like the roll-hope regs) shouldn't be included.For the same reason, I propose we also remove the section on mirror sizes. SSSB ( talk) 16:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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Shall we also add the team change of Haas f1 team that they have got a new titled sponsor, which is MoneyGram? 223.19.112.230 ( talk) 05:39, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Is the GP really on 18 November (a Saturday)? Robertpstubbs ( talk) 08:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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Please change the team name of alfa romeo back to “Alfa Romeo F1 Team ORLEN” as the team name of Alfa Romeo is still “Alfa Romeo F1 Team ORLEN” on the official entry list given by FIA. 218.188.221.130 ( talk) 01:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Clear as that. Needs to be changed. Lcville72 ( talk) 20:55, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Ok this is a discussion I am not going to win. I believe this is wrong because being from El Salvador and being American, I don’t like U.S. Citizens appropriate the term. I don’t care how they call themselves, they are as Americans as Canadians, Mexicans and another 32 countries. I firmly believe the term is wrongly used because it excludes too many countries. One more thing, don’t call me ridiculous please. Lcville72 ( talk) 03:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Let me clear this up a little bit, if you will indulge me a momentary tangent. Someone BORN a US citizen and who predominantly lives in America or its territories is an American. Someone NOT born a US citizen who subsequently becomes "naturalized" is a [origin country demonym]-American. For example, the comedian John Oliver is a British-American, but nobody would ever call him an American. Lcville72 should correctly refer to themselves as a Salvadoran-American, although that does not somehow make them any less American than a "natural born" American. Nicholas Latifi is a Canadian, not an American. A British driver who lives in Monaco is still a British driver unless they become a naturalised Monégasque, in which case they become a British-Monégasque (or British Monacan). In this instance, Logan Sargeant should be referred to as an American. Anyway, I'll shut up now. 🤣 -- Scjessey ( talk) 14:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Island92: can you explain the reasoning behind this please: Special:Diff/1140789253 (beyond "this is how we did it in the past", becuase I think this is an improvement on the past). Not only do I not see why it can't also be here? I don't see why it shouldn't be here in the first place? Your solution is to hide this in a couple of notes that explain why extra points are awarded at some events. If different events are held with different formats, that is calendar issue (it also being a results and standings issue is nothing more than coincidence) and I think it is an intergral part of the season's calendar. Can you therefire clarify why you don't think this is the case? SSSB ( talk) 22:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
the calendar is something generic regarding the whole season.- generic? The table, sure. But the information in the section isn't and shouldn't be. We should be providing commentary on the schedule (or race calendar) Normally, this comes in the form of changes to the schedule, but it is also relevant what format events take (of the differ). In the same that 2022_IndyCar_Series distinguishes between oval and street races.
The calendar section sums up each eventthis sentence directly contradicts your position. The most notable part of a sprint weekend is that it is a sprint weekend. This is excactly the kind of information that we should be "sum[ming] up [about] each event".
I'm sorry, but we are an encylopedia, and I think that it is of encylopdic value to summarise which events are sprint events when we summarise all the events that take place. It is the only logical place to do so. And to not point out where sprints are at all (apart from in notes and season reports to explain inconsistencies in the results tables) is (in my opinion) an oversight. SSSB ( talk) 23:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Here is not bolded where sprints take place.- not relevant. Firstly, we are not formula1.com. Secondly, the purpose of this page and that page are completely different. And thirdly, I am not exagerating this in the table (which would be the equilivant to sprints being highlighted at Formula1.com) I am just arguing for the appearence of a sentence.
a minor race which does not "disturb" the main Grand Prixfirstly, it does "distrub" the main Grand Prix because it sets the grid for the main Grand Prix. But what is also significant is that these events are subject to a differing points structure. In theory, these events can be worth up to a 48 point swing.
calendar which is generic- this section is not generic. It should not be generic. The only generic thing about it should be the basic structure of the table. Then we should build on this table by supplementing this information (this is what makes it encylopedia rather than a database). This includes specifing changes to the calendar, for example. And, in my opinion, format of the events (where they differ) - also see that this is what they have done at 2022 IndyCar Series. With respect, the approach you are advocting means that we are talking about print events happenening, we talk about changes to the format, and clarify that this format only applies to certain events, but you don't actually want to specify where these events take place? (footnotes in the results table don't count as specifing this, those notes are just explaining anomolies) To me this looks like double standards. SSSB ( talk) 20:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
I believe that the article should be graded higher than Start, as it as many reliable references and in depth information into technical changes, driver changes and the like. WP:ASSESS says that an article with "some references to reliable sources" should be a C grade. Milkk7 ( talk) 12:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
The official websites of AlphaTauri and Honda as well as this article from Autosport and this from RaceFans state that the engine name is "Honda RBPTH001", but Island92 ( talk · contribs) changed the name to "Honda Red Bull RBPTH001" on the basis that StatsF1 does so. I think the first four sources are more reliable in this case than StatsF1, and the name should be "Honda RBPTH001". What does everyone else think? Carfan568 ( talk) 14:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the section season summary, opening rounds: change Lance Stroll finishing in seventh to sixth. 143.176.15.187 ( talk) 20:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, can someone pls clean up the following sentence? """Teams have also agreed ***to*** give the FIA easier access to factories when cost cap audits are being carried out in order to more easily ensure that teams adhere to the cost cap.""" Just need to add the word 'to' in. Thanks 120.16.176.137 ( talk) 11:56, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I'd included some content on the cost cap breaches committed by Red Bull and Aston Martin under "Financial Regulations", since they were discovered mid-2022 and affect 2023 cars. I'll concede that since the fines are paid outside of the cost cap they aren't relevant, but the 10% wind tunnel reduction is relevant for the 2023 season since nearly 3/4 of the affected period (Oct 2022 - Oct 2023) falls within the 2023 season and we all know that so late in 2022 every team is effectively preparing their 2023 car.
It's material to the sport and this year's championship, and ought to be mentioned somewhere. If not in the 2023 season page, should it be in the main Formula 1 page? Crazindndude ( talk) 19:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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There is an error in the "World Drivers' Championship standings" as Fernando Alonso finished 3rd in both races and George Russel finished 4th (not 3rd) in the second race (SAU Saudi Arabia). Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2023/races/1142/saudi-arabia/race-result.html Sasa4454 ( talk) 19:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Notes d and f contain the same information. Note f should be deleted and d used in it's place where required. Quoting ( talk) 18:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
At the moment, {{ F1R2023}} is the database template for nearly all F1 race results on wikipedia, e.g. Fernando Alonso, Aston Martin AMR23, Aston Martin in Formula One, Mercedes engine customers' Grand Prix results all transclude from F1R2023|ALO|SAU, so race results can be updated in a centralised location.
However, two standings tables all full of F1R2023 transclusions (each of which also transclude {{ Coltit}} and occasionally {{ Small}}) represents approximately one thousand template calls, which breaks this article's transclusion limit - we can only afford enough calls to have one table supplied by F1R2023, and the other has to be formatted manually with inline CSS style.
F1R2023 stores information by driver. At the moment, {{ F1 Drivers Standings}}, which depends on the drivers, is formatted manually. Editors will have to do the manual formatting when updating at the end of a GP, and then move around the rows to reflect the new standings. {{ F1 Constructors Standings}} is sorted by team, and in each team double-row, each GP is sorted by team's best result on top, i.e. nothing to do with the driver. Editors have to go into each double-row and tell F1R2023 which teammate placed higher in each team-race combo, and then move around the rows to reflect the new standings.
If we swap F1R2023 usage around, the only thing editors will have to do to the Drivers' table is sort the drivers. (The Constructors' table will require the same amount of work as the Drivers' does now.) AsmodeanUnderscore ( talk) 13:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
The proposed implementation suffers in one more point since it turns the automatic mathematical calculation of sums of drivers standings into a manual process.- you could just look up the points totals at the same time as looking up the results and (since you aren't looking up the points totals) this problem would exist with both tables. At worst it is the same amount of work regardless of which tables uses the template. SSSB ( talk) 21:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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The positions in the standings for Redbull in the Constructors championship are reversed. It shows as if Verstappen had won all races and is 2 for him and one for Pérez. 2806:2F0:90C0:D794:644:1EC6:2B03:D652 ( talk) 07:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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Sorry to be a a pain, but is there some sort of convention that dictates when we create new F1 championship pages? If there isn't, what is the gain to Wikipedia by creating a page about a sporting event that won't happen for 1 1/4 years? BMB YT 500000 ( talk) 17:25, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
@SSSB Great, thanks. BMB YT 500000 ( talk) 17:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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please add the car name of McLaren is going to use in 2023, because the news has been released by Racefans.net also releases the car name, here is the link: https://www.racefans.net/2023/01/06/mclaren-confirm-february-13th-launch-date-for-mcl37/ 223.19.112.230 ( talk) 00:45, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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Section: Enactment of political gestures "was not used to help fufil drivers' "private personal agenda"."
fufil is mispelled; it should be either fulfil or fulfill Orly.junior ( talk) 18:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (information presented in entrants table and calendar is correct according to current contracts) -- GTDrift19 ( talk) 21:05, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
I think the block of "2023 Formula One Word Championship" should be removed. The reason given for the block in October 2021 was faulty since it is not the same to start this article in late 2021 or in 2022 as in 2020. A deletion reason that may have been valid in 2020 cannot necessarily be considered valid any more when the date changes. I doubt that the admin deleting the article in October 2021 had a real look at the article; he just saw that the article was deleted previously. Also, there is a draft for this article already and it should be moved to the article now since more info begins to come in and due to this block of recreation the development of the article is seriously hampered. -- Maxl ( talk) 13:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
unique content for this article. A list of contracts does not satisfy the GNG, and creating the page from that draft would make it elegible for deletion under CSD § G4 because it would be sufficiently identical to both previously deleted versions (which are all just lists of contracts). Until coverage of the season exists, an article can not. 5225C ( talk • contributions) 02:03, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Although this version is substationally similar to previous versions, a large number of new sources now exist, meaning the grounds of the last deletion discussion ( WP:TOOSOON) no longer hold true. See as an example: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. SSSB ( talk) 10:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Diffuser is clearly spelt wrong (diffisur) in the following paragraph “Following large amounts of porpoising during 2022, the FIA is introducting changes to the regulations to limit excessive porposing. Floor edges will be raised by 25 millimetres (0.98 in) and the throat of the diffisur will also be raised, by a yet to be determined amount. Lateral floor deflection tests are also due to be more stringent.” Please correct it 2A02:C7F:5817:8E00:F045:A264:B3B4:5B02 ( talk) 00:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Actually, it should have existed a long ago. Historically, we have always had an article for the next season that covered all the development - proposed calendar, proposed regulation changes, confirmed drivers or confirmed retirements, etc. As a Wikipedia user, I expect this article to exist and provide the information I mentioned. When I want to remind myself who will be driving for which team next year (or which team still has a vacancy, i.e. no signed driver), or what races will be added or removed, my first choice is always the Wikipedia page for the next season. This time, through the stubbornness of the admins, who falsely believe there is nothing to be covered yet, Wikipedia has failed me. We are well into the part of the season when information about next year is being announced bit by bit and Wikipedia must cover that from day 1. Peepay ( talk) 15:10, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Generally speaking, I would suggest that in future we create season articles in around the June the year before (i.e. 2024 Formula One World Championship would be created by June 2023, am open to other months) with a WP:IAR approach to WP:GNG as a Formula One season can reasonably be presumed notable even without sources that specifically discuss that season (due to a lack of news). Because I feel that with this article we have gone from one extreme (created in early 2020) to another (still not created in August 2022). SSSB ( talk) 20:41, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
there needs to be coverage of the season, not of its constituent parts.is also wrong. No source is going to cover every part of the season until someone publishes a pre-season preview in the week preceding the opening round. This is exactly what I mean, you are applying WP:GNG in an overly strict fashion. Later today, I will request the unprotection of this page, citing the variaety of sources that are now speculating over next year's calendar and driver line up. SSSB ( talk) 08:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
It seems highly likely that the 2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix will be held at the Jeddah Corniche Circuit, as the official circuit social media accounts are saying preparations are underway for a third race there. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cg2Wbxaom4D/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Norgz1328 ( talk) 10:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
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Are we allowed to add date of 2023 Australian GP? proof: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/date-set-2023-australian-grand-prix/10353304/ Marcusyg ( talk) 07:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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11:53, 8 September 2022 (UTC)The official 2023 calendar has been confirmed by the FIA https://www.fia.com/news/2023-fia-formula-one-world-championship-calendar-approved-wmsc JamesVilla44 ( talk) 14:33, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Piastri’s driver number is listed as #81 has this been confirmed yet? 5.68.144.17 ( talk) 14:18, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
It has now been confirmed on Racefans.net, attached is the headline for it confirming that Piastri will race with the car number 81. https://www.racefans.net/2022/09/27/piastri-explains-why-he-chose-number-81-for-f1-debut-in-2023/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7E:2E10:900:207D:9256:C91A:8A86 ( talk) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
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As of 06/10/2022, the Belgian Grand Prix Weekend (28-30 July 2023) clashes with the TOTALENERGIES 24 Hours Of Spa, a Fanatec GT World Challenge Europe event. Ojoj149149 ( talk) 13:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
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The driver number de Vries is going to use in the 2023 season is listed as TBA while he has had previous sessions using #45. I'm unsure if a procedure has to be completed to verify #45 for the 2023 season but isn't it highly unusual to change a driver number? -- Jurgenwesterhof ( talk) 09:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Ps the reply link is added automatically to the end of signatures. It isn't something you need to manually add. If you sign your comment, the reply link will appear. SSSB ( talk) 10:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Anybody know who will be reserve/test driver per team for 23 season? All i know is
Mercedes: ricciardo Aston martin: drugovich & varndoorne Haas: fittipaldi Alfa romeo: theo 36.80.147.102 ( talk) 11:51, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
If the point you are getting at is: why doesn't this article list the reserve drivers? It is becuase they don't play a part in the season, at least not anymore than the engineers, or stratergists, so it would be outside of the scope of the article to discuss it here. When the final race of the season is over, next year's confirmed reserve drivers will appear in the infoboxes of the relevant teams. SSSB ( talk) 13:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Nico Hülkenberg has been confirmed by the Haas team for a seat in 2023. It was announced by Motorsport.com
″I was not prepared to going into the Aston Martin, but into Haas i have yet.″ Nico Hülkenberg https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-set-to-announce-hulkenberg-f1-deal-for-2023/10399888/— Preceding unsigned comment added by Matulda4 ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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Change
Chinese Grand Prix China Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai 16 April
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Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai 16 April [CANCELLED] Rohitpad ( talk) 02:07, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Helmut confirmed this during FP1 at the Abu Dhabi GP 2022 Lineupandwait ( talk) 13:48, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
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Remove the AMR-23 and the Merc W14 from the entry list as it has not been confirmed yet and also add car number 81 to Oscar Piastri as the car number has been announced by himself on his twitter already 218.188.208.98 ( talk) 05:28, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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Remove the AMR23 and W14 link and their references in entry list as the chassis name has not been confirmed yet 218.188.221.130 ( talk) 06:09, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
The Chinese GP is "expected to be cancelled", but this hasn't been officially confirmed yet, so it is WP:SPECULATION to claim on here that it's been cancelled. Read the sources: Crash, BBC, Planet F1 all say expected or set to be cancelled, but we must wait until F1 actually confirms this. Pinging Eurovision1323 who I reverted on this. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 11:58, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
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please change name of engine of Red Bull to Honda RBPT as that was how fia mentioned in the 2023 entry list, proof: https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2023/2023-fia-formula-one-world-championship-entry 223.19.112.230 ( talk) 14:47, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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Please consider add a calendar of the launch date of each team’s car as Aston Martinhad revealed their date of car launch. 223.19.112.230 ( talk) 09:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Ved havet and Island92: I can see there is a disagreement regarding McLaren's team name, namely that the entry lists show the team has entered as "McLaren Formula 1 Team" while we have previously displayed it as "McLaren F1 Team". Although McLaren is the point of disagreement, Mercedes and Aston Martin have entered themselves as Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS Formula One Team" and "Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team" but have been listed as "Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team" and "Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant F1 Team". This has been done for several previous seasons, but I am not aware of any existing WP:F1 consensus. I am of the opinion that the team name should be reproduced exactly as it appears on the entry list (minus capitalisation styling) but I can understand that abbreviating Formula One or Formula 1 to F1 doesn't really have a functional impact. Treating them consistently is, however, vitally important, so we wil either have to reproduce all team names exactly as they appear on the entry list, or abbreviate all team names. 5225C ( talk • contributions) 02:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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please add a section in the technical regulation change that there will be a weight reduction from 798 kg to 796kg, source: 2023 FiA Formula One Technical Regulation (2023; issue 4) (external site, from fia.com)
The mass of the car, without fuel, must not be less than
798kg796kg at all times during the Competition
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template. I think this change in the regulation is so small (2kg, equivilant to a 0.25% reduction) that it risks moving the technical regulations section into the realms of
Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Wikipedia is not the technical regulations and therefore I feel that minor changes in the regulations (which aren't covered in a half-decent level of detail by secondary sources, like the roll-hope regs) shouldn't be included.For the same reason, I propose we also remove the section on mirror sizes. SSSB ( talk) 16:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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Shall we also add the team change of Haas f1 team that they have got a new titled sponsor, which is MoneyGram? 223.19.112.230 ( talk) 05:39, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Is the GP really on 18 November (a Saturday)? Robertpstubbs ( talk) 08:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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Please change the team name of alfa romeo back to “Alfa Romeo F1 Team ORLEN” as the team name of Alfa Romeo is still “Alfa Romeo F1 Team ORLEN” on the official entry list given by FIA. 218.188.221.130 ( talk) 01:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Clear as that. Needs to be changed. Lcville72 ( talk) 20:55, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Ok this is a discussion I am not going to win. I believe this is wrong because being from El Salvador and being American, I don’t like U.S. Citizens appropriate the term. I don’t care how they call themselves, they are as Americans as Canadians, Mexicans and another 32 countries. I firmly believe the term is wrongly used because it excludes too many countries. One more thing, don’t call me ridiculous please. Lcville72 ( talk) 03:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
Let me clear this up a little bit, if you will indulge me a momentary tangent. Someone BORN a US citizen and who predominantly lives in America or its territories is an American. Someone NOT born a US citizen who subsequently becomes "naturalized" is a [origin country demonym]-American. For example, the comedian John Oliver is a British-American, but nobody would ever call him an American. Lcville72 should correctly refer to themselves as a Salvadoran-American, although that does not somehow make them any less American than a "natural born" American. Nicholas Latifi is a Canadian, not an American. A British driver who lives in Monaco is still a British driver unless they become a naturalised Monégasque, in which case they become a British-Monégasque (or British Monacan). In this instance, Logan Sargeant should be referred to as an American. Anyway, I'll shut up now. 🤣 -- Scjessey ( talk) 14:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
@ Island92: can you explain the reasoning behind this please: Special:Diff/1140789253 (beyond "this is how we did it in the past", becuase I think this is an improvement on the past). Not only do I not see why it can't also be here? I don't see why it shouldn't be here in the first place? Your solution is to hide this in a couple of notes that explain why extra points are awarded at some events. If different events are held with different formats, that is calendar issue (it also being a results and standings issue is nothing more than coincidence) and I think it is an intergral part of the season's calendar. Can you therefire clarify why you don't think this is the case? SSSB ( talk) 22:36, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
the calendar is something generic regarding the whole season.- generic? The table, sure. But the information in the section isn't and shouldn't be. We should be providing commentary on the schedule (or race calendar) Normally, this comes in the form of changes to the schedule, but it is also relevant what format events take (of the differ). In the same that 2022_IndyCar_Series distinguishes between oval and street races.
The calendar section sums up each eventthis sentence directly contradicts your position. The most notable part of a sprint weekend is that it is a sprint weekend. This is excactly the kind of information that we should be "sum[ming] up [about] each event".
I'm sorry, but we are an encylopedia, and I think that it is of encylopdic value to summarise which events are sprint events when we summarise all the events that take place. It is the only logical place to do so. And to not point out where sprints are at all (apart from in notes and season reports to explain inconsistencies in the results tables) is (in my opinion) an oversight. SSSB ( talk) 23:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Here is not bolded where sprints take place.- not relevant. Firstly, we are not formula1.com. Secondly, the purpose of this page and that page are completely different. And thirdly, I am not exagerating this in the table (which would be the equilivant to sprints being highlighted at Formula1.com) I am just arguing for the appearence of a sentence.
a minor race which does not "disturb" the main Grand Prixfirstly, it does "distrub" the main Grand Prix because it sets the grid for the main Grand Prix. But what is also significant is that these events are subject to a differing points structure. In theory, these events can be worth up to a 48 point swing.
calendar which is generic- this section is not generic. It should not be generic. The only generic thing about it should be the basic structure of the table. Then we should build on this table by supplementing this information (this is what makes it encylopedia rather than a database). This includes specifing changes to the calendar, for example. And, in my opinion, format of the events (where they differ) - also see that this is what they have done at 2022 IndyCar Series. With respect, the approach you are advocting means that we are talking about print events happenening, we talk about changes to the format, and clarify that this format only applies to certain events, but you don't actually want to specify where these events take place? (footnotes in the results table don't count as specifing this, those notes are just explaining anomolies) To me this looks like double standards. SSSB ( talk) 20:05, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
I believe that the article should be graded higher than Start, as it as many reliable references and in depth information into technical changes, driver changes and the like. WP:ASSESS says that an article with "some references to reliable sources" should be a C grade. Milkk7 ( talk) 12:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
The official websites of AlphaTauri and Honda as well as this article from Autosport and this from RaceFans state that the engine name is "Honda RBPTH001", but Island92 ( talk · contribs) changed the name to "Honda Red Bull RBPTH001" on the basis that StatsF1 does so. I think the first four sources are more reliable in this case than StatsF1, and the name should be "Honda RBPTH001". What does everyone else think? Carfan568 ( talk) 14:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the section season summary, opening rounds: change Lance Stroll finishing in seventh to sixth. 143.176.15.187 ( talk) 20:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Hi, can someone pls clean up the following sentence? """Teams have also agreed ***to*** give the FIA easier access to factories when cost cap audits are being carried out in order to more easily ensure that teams adhere to the cost cap.""" Just need to add the word 'to' in. Thanks 120.16.176.137 ( talk) 11:56, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I'd included some content on the cost cap breaches committed by Red Bull and Aston Martin under "Financial Regulations", since they were discovered mid-2022 and affect 2023 cars. I'll concede that since the fines are paid outside of the cost cap they aren't relevant, but the 10% wind tunnel reduction is relevant for the 2023 season since nearly 3/4 of the affected period (Oct 2022 - Oct 2023) falls within the 2023 season and we all know that so late in 2022 every team is effectively preparing their 2023 car.
It's material to the sport and this year's championship, and ought to be mentioned somewhere. If not in the 2023 season page, should it be in the main Formula 1 page? Crazindndude ( talk) 19:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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There is an error in the "World Drivers' Championship standings" as Fernando Alonso finished 3rd in both races and George Russel finished 4th (not 3rd) in the second race (SAU Saudi Arabia). Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2023/races/1142/saudi-arabia/race-result.html Sasa4454 ( talk) 19:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Notes d and f contain the same information. Note f should be deleted and d used in it's place where required. Quoting ( talk) 18:44, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
At the moment, {{ F1R2023}} is the database template for nearly all F1 race results on wikipedia, e.g. Fernando Alonso, Aston Martin AMR23, Aston Martin in Formula One, Mercedes engine customers' Grand Prix results all transclude from F1R2023|ALO|SAU, so race results can be updated in a centralised location.
However, two standings tables all full of F1R2023 transclusions (each of which also transclude {{ Coltit}} and occasionally {{ Small}}) represents approximately one thousand template calls, which breaks this article's transclusion limit - we can only afford enough calls to have one table supplied by F1R2023, and the other has to be formatted manually with inline CSS style.
F1R2023 stores information by driver. At the moment, {{ F1 Drivers Standings}}, which depends on the drivers, is formatted manually. Editors will have to do the manual formatting when updating at the end of a GP, and then move around the rows to reflect the new standings. {{ F1 Constructors Standings}} is sorted by team, and in each team double-row, each GP is sorted by team's best result on top, i.e. nothing to do with the driver. Editors have to go into each double-row and tell F1R2023 which teammate placed higher in each team-race combo, and then move around the rows to reflect the new standings.
If we swap F1R2023 usage around, the only thing editors will have to do to the Drivers' table is sort the drivers. (The Constructors' table will require the same amount of work as the Drivers' does now.) AsmodeanUnderscore ( talk) 13:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
The proposed implementation suffers in one more point since it turns the automatic mathematical calculation of sums of drivers standings into a manual process.- you could just look up the points totals at the same time as looking up the results and (since you aren't looking up the points totals) this problem would exist with both tables. At worst it is the same amount of work regardless of which tables uses the template. SSSB ( talk) 21:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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The positions in the standings for Redbull in the Constructors championship are reversed. It shows as if Verstappen had won all races and is 2 for him and one for Pérez. 2806:2F0:90C0:D794:644:1EC6:2B03:D652 ( talk) 07:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)