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The page was moved without discussion therefore I am moving it back. Please don't make a unilateral move without some basic discussion. The problem with the new title is that it is atypically long for a Wikipedia article and fails WP:COMMONNAME. Second, unless the "audio recording" is at the heart of a scandal, such as the News International phone hacking scandal, we should not focus on the recording itself. We don't need to include the method of memorialization (audio, video, phone, written word, etc). Therefore, the most WP:COMMONNAME way to describe this event is as a controversy regarding the L.A. City Council. Thanks. @ Reppop: courtesy ping - Fuzheado | Talk 21:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Withdrawn. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 21:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
2022 Los Angeles City Council controversy → 2022 Los Angeles City Council political crisis – I think "controversy" is terrible for an article title. It conveys no information (what sort of "controversy" is it?) and impairs neutrality as discussed in WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION. "Political crisis" is more neutral and it indicates more clearly what is happening, as potential resignations are in play. – Muboshgu ( talk) 02:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Unanimous support for moving. Fuzheado | Talk 09:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
2022 Los Angeles City Council controversy → 2022 Los Angeles City Council scandal – I feel that we should sorta specify (lightly) in a way for the title. Using "controversy" is okay, but I feel putting "scandal" is a little bit more descriptive while still not completely specifying down to the last word. Now especially since a council member resigned ( Nury Martinez) over it, I think it is more than a controversy now. Bbraxtonlee ( talk) 04:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
An open secret among Democrat insiders is the hostility and rivalry between Hispanic and African-American politicians and their voting blocs, especially in places like Los Angeles. This article probably should include that context and background to this scandal but, unfortunately, the mainstream media, including political mags like Politico, don't seem inclined to report on the issue. I believe the LA Times may have reported on it in years past, but not recently. 108.18.156.124 ( talk) 14:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
BottleOfChocolateMilk - Responding to this edit summary;
Couple points; 1) most importantly, the source doesn't call it a "slur" so we shouldn't either, 2) less importantly, my better-half has near-native level spanish and she told me "changuito" was a common term of endearment in spanish, similar to something like "little rascal" in English. I don't want to sound like I'm defending Nury b/c most of the stuff she said was obviously pretty unsavory, but at the same time, we shouldn't be trying to inflate the controversy by adding our own, potentially poorly translated, interpretations to her words. NickCT ( talk) 12:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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The page was moved without discussion therefore I am moving it back. Please don't make a unilateral move without some basic discussion. The problem with the new title is that it is atypically long for a Wikipedia article and fails WP:COMMONNAME. Second, unless the "audio recording" is at the heart of a scandal, such as the News International phone hacking scandal, we should not focus on the recording itself. We don't need to include the method of memorialization (audio, video, phone, written word, etc). Therefore, the most WP:COMMONNAME way to describe this event is as a controversy regarding the L.A. City Council. Thanks. @ Reppop: courtesy ping - Fuzheado | Talk 21:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Withdrawn. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; everyone stay healthy! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 21:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
2022 Los Angeles City Council controversy → 2022 Los Angeles City Council political crisis – I think "controversy" is terrible for an article title. It conveys no information (what sort of "controversy" is it?) and impairs neutrality as discussed in WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION. "Political crisis" is more neutral and it indicates more clearly what is happening, as potential resignations are in play. – Muboshgu ( talk) 02:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Unanimous support for moving. Fuzheado | Talk 09:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
2022 Los Angeles City Council controversy → 2022 Los Angeles City Council scandal – I feel that we should sorta specify (lightly) in a way for the title. Using "controversy" is okay, but I feel putting "scandal" is a little bit more descriptive while still not completely specifying down to the last word. Now especially since a council member resigned ( Nury Martinez) over it, I think it is more than a controversy now. Bbraxtonlee ( talk) 04:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
An open secret among Democrat insiders is the hostility and rivalry between Hispanic and African-American politicians and their voting blocs, especially in places like Los Angeles. This article probably should include that context and background to this scandal but, unfortunately, the mainstream media, including political mags like Politico, don't seem inclined to report on the issue. I believe the LA Times may have reported on it in years past, but not recently. 108.18.156.124 ( talk) 14:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
BottleOfChocolateMilk - Responding to this edit summary;
Couple points; 1) most importantly, the source doesn't call it a "slur" so we shouldn't either, 2) less importantly, my better-half has near-native level spanish and she told me "changuito" was a common term of endearment in spanish, similar to something like "little rascal" in English. I don't want to sound like I'm defending Nury b/c most of the stuff she said was obviously pretty unsavory, but at the same time, we shouldn't be trying to inflate the controversy by adding our own, potentially poorly translated, interpretations to her words. NickCT ( talk) 12:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)