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Hi
Stevie fae Scotland, I am going to be reviewing this article. I will get it done as soon as possible, at the latest by the end of the weekend. At first glance I think it is probably at or close to good article status. I may be able to pass it straight away or put in hold with some things to work on.--
Llewee (
talk)
12:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
"The party had been worried they would lose control of the council ..." -make clear this section is political analysis start with something like "Kevin Dyson of the Daily Record wrote soon after the election that the party..."
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline.
2b.
reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
A lot of sources are from the council directly and one is from the BBC. A few are from the Daily Record. The reliability of the daily record in particular has never been discussed but its sister paper has not been depreciated and is probably fine for uncontroversial content.--
Llewee (
talk)
15:50, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
*The source for the table in the "previous election" section doesn't include percentages.
The retiring councillors' section doesn't include any sources.
The source for the candidates section (
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/east-ayrshire-council-elections-2022-26597416) gives information on the 2022 candidates but does not include the 2017 candidate numbers which are included in section. I would recommend finding a citation for these numbers possibly a similar article from a few years ago.
Would it be possible to get newer images? It's not essential but these pictures are rather old and there seems to be more recent images on the council website which would presumably be under the same licence.--
Llewee (
talk)
23:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
I have sorted 1a and 1b as well as most of 2c (I couldn't find a similar article from 2017 but I did find a list with all the candidates standing in 2017).
Regarding sources for STV, I have found two articles online which explain STV (
[1] and
[2]) but I am not sure they will source exactly what it is that needs to be sourced. I wonder then if it would be better to perhaps rephrase (happy to listen to any suggested wording) and use these sources?
Regarding the photos, I don't know how the government licence works with local councils so I wouldn't be comfortable just taking them from the council's website. They do have updated photos (although, a lot if them aren't very flattering)
[3].
Stevie fae Scotland (
talk)
09:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)reply
OK
Stevie fae Scotland quick update, I've signed of 1a and b. I don't mind about the photos I just thought it would be a helpful change if possible. I've read through the sources on STV and the idea it has an element of proportionality is source able as is the statement that vote totals given are first preferences. The issue is it is hard to source how the percentages are calculated and how that is linked to the degree of proportionality. Is the way the results are calculated here based on the way any official sources calculate them?--
Llewee (
talk)
22:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)reply
The way STV works, the first preference percentages aren't always linked to the proportionality. Party A + Party B could be most popular on first preferences but Party C might get more seats because they had far more second and third preferences.
2022 North Ayrshire Council election is a good example as Labour got more first preferences than Conservative but it was the opposite way round for number of seats. The first preference percentages give an idea of how strong a party's support is and this can be used to compare with first past the post (we wouldn't do that here though as they will never be a direct comparison). I have found a source for the percentages (
[4]) but I will need to double check them all now as the numbers are slightly different. I had previously just added them up from the results of each individual ward so I may have made an error. I will have time to check this once I get home from work tonight.
Stevie fae Scotland (
talk)
15:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)reply
I have fixed the numbers in line with the source. I may have slightly misunderstood the purpose in the explainer below the results table as well. The reason it is compared to the last election in 2017 and not the composition at dissolution is because by-elections held in the interim may only elect one person which would remove the proportional element from it. For example, see
Fortissat which elected two Labour councillors in 2017 but had three at dissolution as the party won both by-elections held in 2017 and 2021.
Stevie fae Scotland (
talk)
11:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)reply
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Hi
Stevie fae Scotland, I am going to be reviewing this article. I will get it done as soon as possible, at the latest by the end of the weekend. At first glance I think it is probably at or close to good article status. I may be able to pass it straight away or put in hold with some things to work on.--
Llewee (
talk)
12:25, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
"The party had been worried they would lose control of the council ..." -make clear this section is political analysis start with something like "Kevin Dyson of the Daily Record wrote soon after the election that the party..."
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
the layout style guideline.
2b.
reliable sources are
cited inline. All content that
could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
A lot of sources are from the council directly and one is from the BBC. A few are from the Daily Record. The reliability of the daily record in particular has never been discussed but its sister paper has not been depreciated and is probably fine for uncontroversial content.--
Llewee (
talk)
15:50, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
*The source for the table in the "previous election" section doesn't include percentages.
The retiring councillors' section doesn't include any sources.
The source for the candidates section (
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/east-ayrshire-council-elections-2022-26597416) gives information on the 2022 candidates but does not include the 2017 candidate numbers which are included in section. I would recommend finding a citation for these numbers possibly a similar article from a few years ago.
Would it be possible to get newer images? It's not essential but these pictures are rather old and there seems to be more recent images on the council website which would presumably be under the same licence.--
Llewee (
talk)
23:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)reply
I have sorted 1a and 1b as well as most of 2c (I couldn't find a similar article from 2017 but I did find a list with all the candidates standing in 2017).
Regarding sources for STV, I have found two articles online which explain STV (
[1] and
[2]) but I am not sure they will source exactly what it is that needs to be sourced. I wonder then if it would be better to perhaps rephrase (happy to listen to any suggested wording) and use these sources?
Regarding the photos, I don't know how the government licence works with local councils so I wouldn't be comfortable just taking them from the council's website. They do have updated photos (although, a lot if them aren't very flattering)
[3].
Stevie fae Scotland (
talk)
09:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)reply
OK
Stevie fae Scotland quick update, I've signed of 1a and b. I don't mind about the photos I just thought it would be a helpful change if possible. I've read through the sources on STV and the idea it has an element of proportionality is source able as is the statement that vote totals given are first preferences. The issue is it is hard to source how the percentages are calculated and how that is linked to the degree of proportionality. Is the way the results are calculated here based on the way any official sources calculate them?--
Llewee (
talk)
22:59, 23 October 2022 (UTC)reply
The way STV works, the first preference percentages aren't always linked to the proportionality. Party A + Party B could be most popular on first preferences but Party C might get more seats because they had far more second and third preferences.
2022 North Ayrshire Council election is a good example as Labour got more first preferences than Conservative but it was the opposite way round for number of seats. The first preference percentages give an idea of how strong a party's support is and this can be used to compare with first past the post (we wouldn't do that here though as they will never be a direct comparison). I have found a source for the percentages (
[4]) but I will need to double check them all now as the numbers are slightly different. I had previously just added them up from the results of each individual ward so I may have made an error. I will have time to check this once I get home from work tonight.
Stevie fae Scotland (
talk)
15:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)reply
I have fixed the numbers in line with the source. I may have slightly misunderstood the purpose in the explainer below the results table as well. The reason it is compared to the last election in 2017 and not the composition at dissolution is because by-elections held in the interim may only elect one person which would remove the proportional element from it. For example, see
Fortissat which elected two Labour councillors in 2017 but had three at dissolution as the party won both by-elections held in 2017 and 2021.
Stevie fae Scotland (
talk)
11:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)reply