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Why are there 2 articles for the same event? This should be merged with 2021 Uttarakhand glacier burst. Aquatic Ambiance ( talk) 17:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... This was the first article for the respective event. The other page is actually the duplicate page -- Kichu🐘 Discuss 06:15, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
I couldn't found any image on PIB's website, but found some on PIB Uttarakhand's twitter account [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. If suitable and not copyrighted, then please add these in commons. -- Manasbose ( talk | edits) 15:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Page names are chosen from the most unambiguously general. This name is not. I will be making the bold move "this page" to "2021 Uttarakhand flood." If during the remainder of this year, another flood occurs in the state, we can make the page title back to being more focused. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm pinging some people who are better versed in the art of naming and the rules thereof than I am: @ Johnbod: (who helped out at the 2020 Delhi riots), and @ RegentsPark, Vanamonde93, and Kautilya3: Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Waiting a few days is not a bad idea. The Rishiganga, as I indicate, in the caption of the headwaters map, rises in the meltwater in the Nanda Devi Sanctuary, i.e. within the circle of peaks that surround Nanda Devi, including Trisul, Dunagiri, ..., and Nanda Devi itself. So, naming the page after the Nanda Devi mountain alone is probably not accurate. As for a glacial outburst, there are reports now that it might have been a landslide caused by a falling chunk of glacier attached to one of the surrounding peaks (Dunagiri, perhaps), not a lake outburst (See here) A landslide into a river is equally likely, though usually not in the winter months. (I haven't been into the Nanda Devi sanctuary, but I've been in the surrounding region, and in winter. :) ) But in any case, waiting a few days is a good idea. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment: most reliable sources using the word "Uttarakhand flood".
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Agree with the opinion of naming this page as Uttarakhand flood or disaster. Because thats the first thing most the unfamiliar people search for the first time. Kichu🐘 Discuss 17:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Up to now we already have as
redirects (alphabetical):
Waiting makes sense, but it increases the circle reference effect that many (also reliable) media is remarkably influenced by the name they see here, in Wikipedia! -- S I 18:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/himalaya-disaster-in-uttarakhand-exposes-risks-of-indias-rush-for-green-energy-jbjgc2cn5 writes: "Experts blame climate change, with the impact of rising temperatures exacerbated by a surge in construction. India has built hundreds of dams and hydroelectric plants along its Himalayan rivers to conserve water supplies and build renewable energy sources. This has destabilised the ecosystem." I consder this to be reporting on rumors or hearsay, not fact-checked content. Understandable since it's breaking news. There is no reference to who theese experts are or exacly what they said. The paper is generally reliable, but this is not appropriate for the article. -- Tallungs ( talk) 05:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
A comprehensive multi-national study published June 10, 2021 online at the Science magazine website as a research paper titled A massive rock and ice avalanche caused the 2021 disaster at Chamoli, Indian Himalaya is here:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/09/science.abh4455
Web archive copy:
Here's a quote:
"Our analysis of satellite imagery, seismic records, numerical model results, and eyewitness videos reveals that ~27x106 m3 of rock and glacier ice collapsed from the steep north face of Ronti Peak. The rock and ice avalanche rapidly transformed into an extraordinarily large and mobile debris flow that transported boulders >20 m in diameter, and scoured the valley walls up to 220 m above the valley floor."
It's probably best for me to defer to those with more expertise on the subject matter to update the article to include the findings in the research paper, but if nobody does within a week or so I guess I'll give it a try. — Itsfullofstars ( talk) 11:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
2021 India flood. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 29#2021 India flood until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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Why are there 2 articles for the same event? This should be merged with 2021 Uttarakhand glacier burst. Aquatic Ambiance ( talk) 17:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... This was the first article for the respective event. The other page is actually the duplicate page -- Kichu🐘 Discuss 06:15, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
I couldn't found any image on PIB's website, but found some on PIB Uttarakhand's twitter account [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. If suitable and not copyrighted, then please add these in commons. -- Manasbose ( talk | edits) 15:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Page names are chosen from the most unambiguously general. This name is not. I will be making the bold move "this page" to "2021 Uttarakhand flood." If during the remainder of this year, another flood occurs in the state, we can make the page title back to being more focused. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm pinging some people who are better versed in the art of naming and the rules thereof than I am: @ Johnbod: (who helped out at the 2020 Delhi riots), and @ RegentsPark, Vanamonde93, and Kautilya3: Fowler&fowler «Talk» 14:42, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Waiting a few days is not a bad idea. The Rishiganga, as I indicate, in the caption of the headwaters map, rises in the meltwater in the Nanda Devi Sanctuary, i.e. within the circle of peaks that surround Nanda Devi, including Trisul, Dunagiri, ..., and Nanda Devi itself. So, naming the page after the Nanda Devi mountain alone is probably not accurate. As for a glacial outburst, there are reports now that it might have been a landslide caused by a falling chunk of glacier attached to one of the surrounding peaks (Dunagiri, perhaps), not a lake outburst (See here) A landslide into a river is equally likely, though usually not in the winter months. (I haven't been into the Nanda Devi sanctuary, but I've been in the surrounding region, and in winter. :) ) But in any case, waiting a few days is a good idea. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 16:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment: most reliable sources using the word "Uttarakhand flood".
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4] --
Manasbose (
talk |
edits) 16:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
References
Agree with the opinion of naming this page as Uttarakhand flood or disaster. Because thats the first thing most the unfamiliar people search for the first time. Kichu🐘 Discuss 17:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Up to now we already have as
redirects (alphabetical):
Waiting makes sense, but it increases the circle reference effect that many (also reliable) media is remarkably influenced by the name they see here, in Wikipedia! -- S I 18:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The article: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/himalaya-disaster-in-uttarakhand-exposes-risks-of-indias-rush-for-green-energy-jbjgc2cn5 writes: "Experts blame climate change, with the impact of rising temperatures exacerbated by a surge in construction. India has built hundreds of dams and hydroelectric plants along its Himalayan rivers to conserve water supplies and build renewable energy sources. This has destabilised the ecosystem." I consder this to be reporting on rumors or hearsay, not fact-checked content. Understandable since it's breaking news. There is no reference to who theese experts are or exacly what they said. The paper is generally reliable, but this is not appropriate for the article. -- Tallungs ( talk) 05:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
A comprehensive multi-national study published June 10, 2021 online at the Science magazine website as a research paper titled A massive rock and ice avalanche caused the 2021 disaster at Chamoli, Indian Himalaya is here:
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/09/science.abh4455
Web archive copy:
Here's a quote:
"Our analysis of satellite imagery, seismic records, numerical model results, and eyewitness videos reveals that ~27x106 m3 of rock and glacier ice collapsed from the steep north face of Ronti Peak. The rock and ice avalanche rapidly transformed into an extraordinarily large and mobile debris flow that transported boulders >20 m in diameter, and scoured the valley walls up to 220 m above the valley floor."
It's probably best for me to defer to those with more expertise on the subject matter to update the article to include the findings in the research paper, but if nobody does within a week or so I guess I'll give it a try. — Itsfullofstars ( talk) 11:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
2021 India flood. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 29#2021 India flood until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my
talk page 05:28, 29 July 2021 (UTC)