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Hi SecretName101, we seem to have some disagreement over WP:ENDORSE so I’m pasting the text in here for discussion (bolding and links copied from the original). Two main points:
"Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements by notable people"and
"Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements by notable organizations". As noted in ENDORSE, one can be notable without yet having had a page written, but the person or org still must have notability as Wikipedia defines it, WP:N, i.e. if a page were written, it would survive AfD. There are very few union locals or organization chapters that rise to the level of meriting an entry separate from the national or regional organization. Local officials of small municipalities (e.g. city councilor of Everett, population roughly 40k) also are commonly not wikinotable. In cases where you believe there is a true exception, the best way to prove it is gather sources for a stub that shows notability.
"Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which have been covered by reliable independent sources. This means endorsements should not be sourced solely to a Tweet or Instagram post, for example”. This is unambiguous: endorsements cannot be sourced to anyone’s tweets and must be covered by independent RS.
These two points were the basis of my edits yesterday. Can you let me know where you feel I’ve misread? Thanks, Innisfree987 ( talk) 20:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Innisfree987: Tweets can constitute reliable sources, per Wikipedia:Reliable sources, which clearly states that you can use them as a reliable source in certain instances if the tweets are "written or published by the subject of the biographical material". Thus, a tweet such as this by Mike Moran's verified Twitter account can constitute a verifiable formal endorsement, just as much as a formal press release by him would be considered a verifiable formal endorsement. And I see the question of notability as being whether the individual's is contextually notable. An United States presidential endorsement from a city's transit agency head is contextually non-notable. But a mayoral endorsement from said transit executive can be notable, particularly if covered by news media. Local politicians and local leaders can be considered notable endorsers in the context of local elections. SecretName101 ( talk) 20:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Stroopwafels: The question that is relevant is "If the mayoral election were held today, who would you vote for?" not "Which candidate are you leaning towards at this time?". The numbers that Emmerson is reporting as the poll results are the first question. SecretName101 ( talk) 07:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Stroopwafels: No, read the summary page. They report the first question as their full results. The question these polls are supposed to answer is who you WILL vote for if the election is today, not who you are leaning towards. You are wrong SecretName101 ( talk) 17:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Stroopwafels: Now, please, immediately revert it to my previous edit. SecretName101 ( talk) 17:49, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
If someone self-reported as undecided, who they then, in a follow-up question, admit they lean towards is not a relevant datapoint. The relevant datapoint is that they answered the first question as undecided SecretName101 ( talk) 17:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Removing the undecided option skews the numbers. You can post both questions as two separate polls, if you’d really like. But I object to not reporting the first question as a poll result. SecretName101 ( talk) 17:55, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
But if you use two poll questions, I recommend the “leaning” question, not “undecideds allocated” as the second poll result SecretName101 ( talk) 18:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Added both poll questions we have been discussing SecretName101 ( talk) 18:15, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
After final totals are in for preliminary, we can calculate the turnout. There are 437,647 voters in Boston. The turnout will be calculated using that number. https://www.boston.gov/sites/default/files/file/2021/09/2021%20-%2009-14-21%20-%20Preliminary%20Municipal%20Election%20-%20Registration%20Numbers.pdf SecretName101 ( talk) 00:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
When the picture gets clearer of how long the delay lasts, and what it is, we should note it.
Seems eerily like the 2020 Iowa Democratic presidential caucuses. Was that “Shadow” company at play here too?? (Just kidding, at least I hope) SecretName101 ( talk) 03:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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Hi SecretName101, we seem to have some disagreement over WP:ENDORSE so I’m pasting the text in here for discussion (bolding and links copied from the original). Two main points:
"Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements by notable people"and
"Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements by notable organizations". As noted in ENDORSE, one can be notable without yet having had a page written, but the person or org still must have notability as Wikipedia defines it, WP:N, i.e. if a page were written, it would survive AfD. There are very few union locals or organization chapters that rise to the level of meriting an entry separate from the national or regional organization. Local officials of small municipalities (e.g. city councilor of Everett, population roughly 40k) also are commonly not wikinotable. In cases where you believe there is a true exception, the best way to prove it is gather sources for a stub that shows notability.
"Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which have been covered by reliable independent sources. This means endorsements should not be sourced solely to a Tweet or Instagram post, for example”. This is unambiguous: endorsements cannot be sourced to anyone’s tweets and must be covered by independent RS.
These two points were the basis of my edits yesterday. Can you let me know where you feel I’ve misread? Thanks, Innisfree987 ( talk) 20:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Innisfree987: Tweets can constitute reliable sources, per Wikipedia:Reliable sources, which clearly states that you can use them as a reliable source in certain instances if the tweets are "written or published by the subject of the biographical material". Thus, a tweet such as this by Mike Moran's verified Twitter account can constitute a verifiable formal endorsement, just as much as a formal press release by him would be considered a verifiable formal endorsement. And I see the question of notability as being whether the individual's is contextually notable. An United States presidential endorsement from a city's transit agency head is contextually non-notable. But a mayoral endorsement from said transit executive can be notable, particularly if covered by news media. Local politicians and local leaders can be considered notable endorsers in the context of local elections. SecretName101 ( talk) 20:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Stroopwafels: The question that is relevant is "If the mayoral election were held today, who would you vote for?" not "Which candidate are you leaning towards at this time?". The numbers that Emmerson is reporting as the poll results are the first question. SecretName101 ( talk) 07:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Stroopwafels: No, read the summary page. They report the first question as their full results. The question these polls are supposed to answer is who you WILL vote for if the election is today, not who you are leaning towards. You are wrong SecretName101 ( talk) 17:48, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
@ Stroopwafels: Now, please, immediately revert it to my previous edit. SecretName101 ( talk) 17:49, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
If someone self-reported as undecided, who they then, in a follow-up question, admit they lean towards is not a relevant datapoint. The relevant datapoint is that they answered the first question as undecided SecretName101 ( talk) 17:53, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Removing the undecided option skews the numbers. You can post both questions as two separate polls, if you’d really like. But I object to not reporting the first question as a poll result. SecretName101 ( talk) 17:55, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
But if you use two poll questions, I recommend the “leaning” question, not “undecideds allocated” as the second poll result SecretName101 ( talk) 18:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Added both poll questions we have been discussing SecretName101 ( talk) 18:15, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
After final totals are in for preliminary, we can calculate the turnout. There are 437,647 voters in Boston. The turnout will be calculated using that number. https://www.boston.gov/sites/default/files/file/2021/09/2021%20-%2009-14-21%20-%20Preliminary%20Municipal%20Election%20-%20Registration%20Numbers.pdf SecretName101 ( talk) 00:22, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
When the picture gets clearer of how long the delay lasts, and what it is, we should note it.
Seems eerily like the 2020 Iowa Democratic presidential caucuses. Was that “Shadow” company at play here too?? (Just kidding, at least I hope) SecretName101 ( talk) 03:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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