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Is all of this year's Tour ridden on French soil? If so, it could me mentioned. I find that it happened in 2013 and before that in 2003. It is noteworthy – if it is correct. :) Fomalhaut76 ( talk) 15:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I think "first since 2018" is not really that special, that's only two years ago... Why the focus on that? Or do I miss something? EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 17:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey all,
Just saw someone else add the teams column to the stage characteristics and winners table. Generally, this isn't a feature of that table for other races in the past, so should it be kept or removed? Thanks. Benjamin112 ( talk) 13:20, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
"Pre-loaded," for lack of a better term, referring to when results are added (even by hidden comments) before they are made official. Yes, all the jersey winners are all but confirmed, but I feel like this sets a sort of worrying precedent in which these edits are made earlier and earlier; it need not be said that if "pre-loading" results was the norm, I would have already done that yesterday when I updated the classification tables. It might be worth pointing out that, technically, such edits would be unsourced at the time of publishing and thus reverting them would be the right thing to do, even if we all know they are almost certainly bound to be true later. Perhaps I'm being too much of a stickler here, so I would like to hear some opinions on this matter. Benjamin112 ( talk) 14:51, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Before I removed it, the article said that Pogacar's achievement was exceeded by Merckx, because Merckx would have won the young rider classification, and won "every competition there was to win as a young rider". Several things about this statement are wrong, too many to put in a comment, so I put them here.
It's impossible to compare Merckx from 1969 to Pogacar from 2020 in this way. Stick to the facts: Pogacar is the first rider to win yellow, white and polka-dot in the same year. -- EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 09:12, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I understand what you're saying entirely and by no means am I trying to take anything away from Pogacar or what he has done during this Tour. It's just that saying he is the first rider, or the only rider to achieve this is a bit misleading.... It implies it has never been done before and that he is the first rider to accomplish such a feat (which would be worth noting) when in reality what Merckx did in 1969 is so far above and beyond what Pogacar did in 2020 that it is worth noting..... You're making it seem like this was an incredibly historic achievement that has never happened before.... Which it hasn't, no rider has done what he has done winning those exact Jersey's, but one rider did achieve something far, far more difficult and that's winning Yellow, Polka Dot, Green, Team, Combative, the tour itself by over 15 minutes and was under the age of 25 at the time.... Ok, it's never been done before, but something far better and far harder has been done before, just don't say anything about it. And yes if Gino Bartali would have won all of those awards in 1938 you could have added in that
"only Eddy Merckx in 1969 and Gino Bartali in 1938 have completed achievements similar to what Tadej Pogacar did in 2020 Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 13:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I edited it in with Bartali and Merckx being compared to what Pogacar did in 2020.... If it can be agreed that this is accurate and true, then it adds some good history, if not, remove it. Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 14:07, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes that's a good point, and not only that but those familiar with Tour History know that it doesn't even have to be mentioned.... I was more thinking along the lines of newer fans who wouldn't know the significance of winning the way he won. Plus, I do use any excuse I can get to mention previous Tours in modern ones as it's a good way to get readers to explore Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 15:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I'll do a bit of looking around for this, although American Google is terrible with reliable cycling articles aside from the regular magazines...
I think it's because what Merckx did so far exceeds what Pogacar did there's nothing to compare, although had Pogacar also won the Points classification or the overall combativity award it would be a different story.... Either way this also made me wonder if Fignon, LeMond, Ullrich or Contador won multiple jersey's like this in their first Tour Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 20:45, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
That's outstanding lolol The Rider With the Best Sports Knowledge!!! I think they used to have a "most gentlemenly rider" award as well.... The combination Jersey was a pretty serious award at the time right? In that case should it be changed from 69 to 72? Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 20:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
It does show 3 "jersey" icons next to Merckx's name in 72 so I suppose it's appropriate to change it Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 00:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey TDF editors, check this out.... The official Encyclopedia Brittanica article on Greg LeMond --- https://www.britannica.com/biography/Greg-LeMond
It says he finished 3rd in the 1983 TDF & then in 1984 he finished 2nd to Bernard Hinault before winning the Tour himself in 1985. Lololol I'm not kidding check it out!
I tried notifying them to tell them of these mistakes but they make you pay $8.99 a month in order to 'give feedback' on an article..... This has nothing to do with the 2020TDF but I figured you TDF editors might want to know you do more due diligence than the supposed best of the best I suppose I'll go put this on Lemond's talk page as well Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 21:43, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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Is all of this year's Tour ridden on French soil? If so, it could me mentioned. I find that it happened in 2013 and before that in 2003. It is noteworthy – if it is correct. :) Fomalhaut76 ( talk) 15:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I think "first since 2018" is not really that special, that's only two years ago... Why the focus on that? Or do I miss something? EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 17:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey all,
Just saw someone else add the teams column to the stage characteristics and winners table. Generally, this isn't a feature of that table for other races in the past, so should it be kept or removed? Thanks. Benjamin112 ( talk) 13:20, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
"Pre-loaded," for lack of a better term, referring to when results are added (even by hidden comments) before they are made official. Yes, all the jersey winners are all but confirmed, but I feel like this sets a sort of worrying precedent in which these edits are made earlier and earlier; it need not be said that if "pre-loading" results was the norm, I would have already done that yesterday when I updated the classification tables. It might be worth pointing out that, technically, such edits would be unsourced at the time of publishing and thus reverting them would be the right thing to do, even if we all know they are almost certainly bound to be true later. Perhaps I'm being too much of a stickler here, so I would like to hear some opinions on this matter. Benjamin112 ( talk) 14:51, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Before I removed it, the article said that Pogacar's achievement was exceeded by Merckx, because Merckx would have won the young rider classification, and won "every competition there was to win as a young rider". Several things about this statement are wrong, too many to put in a comment, so I put them here.
It's impossible to compare Merckx from 1969 to Pogacar from 2020 in this way. Stick to the facts: Pogacar is the first rider to win yellow, white and polka-dot in the same year. -- EdgeNavidad ( Talk · Contribs) 09:12, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I understand what you're saying entirely and by no means am I trying to take anything away from Pogacar or what he has done during this Tour. It's just that saying he is the first rider, or the only rider to achieve this is a bit misleading.... It implies it has never been done before and that he is the first rider to accomplish such a feat (which would be worth noting) when in reality what Merckx did in 1969 is so far above and beyond what Pogacar did in 2020 that it is worth noting..... You're making it seem like this was an incredibly historic achievement that has never happened before.... Which it hasn't, no rider has done what he has done winning those exact Jersey's, but one rider did achieve something far, far more difficult and that's winning Yellow, Polka Dot, Green, Team, Combative, the tour itself by over 15 minutes and was under the age of 25 at the time.... Ok, it's never been done before, but something far better and far harder has been done before, just don't say anything about it. And yes if Gino Bartali would have won all of those awards in 1938 you could have added in that
"only Eddy Merckx in 1969 and Gino Bartali in 1938 have completed achievements similar to what Tadej Pogacar did in 2020 Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 13:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I edited it in with Bartali and Merckx being compared to what Pogacar did in 2020.... If it can be agreed that this is accurate and true, then it adds some good history, if not, remove it. Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 14:07, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes that's a good point, and not only that but those familiar with Tour History know that it doesn't even have to be mentioned.... I was more thinking along the lines of newer fans who wouldn't know the significance of winning the way he won. Plus, I do use any excuse I can get to mention previous Tours in modern ones as it's a good way to get readers to explore Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 15:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I'll do a bit of looking around for this, although American Google is terrible with reliable cycling articles aside from the regular magazines...
I think it's because what Merckx did so far exceeds what Pogacar did there's nothing to compare, although had Pogacar also won the Points classification or the overall combativity award it would be a different story.... Either way this also made me wonder if Fignon, LeMond, Ullrich or Contador won multiple jersey's like this in their first Tour Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 20:45, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
That's outstanding lolol The Rider With the Best Sports Knowledge!!! I think they used to have a "most gentlemenly rider" award as well.... The combination Jersey was a pretty serious award at the time right? In that case should it be changed from 69 to 72? Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 20:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
It does show 3 "jersey" icons next to Merckx's name in 72 so I suppose it's appropriate to change it Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 00:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey TDF editors, check this out.... The official Encyclopedia Brittanica article on Greg LeMond --- https://www.britannica.com/biography/Greg-LeMond
It says he finished 3rd in the 1983 TDF & then in 1984 he finished 2nd to Bernard Hinault before winning the Tour himself in 1985. Lololol I'm not kidding check it out!
I tried notifying them to tell them of these mistakes but they make you pay $8.99 a month in order to 'give feedback' on an article..... This has nothing to do with the 2020TDF but I figured you TDF editors might want to know you do more due diligence than the supposed best of the best I suppose I'll go put this on Lemond's talk page as well Raleigh80Z90Faema69 ( talk) 21:43, 14 October 2020 (UTC)