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@ Pizzaking13: Hi! Best regards. If possible, I was meaning to ask further about the reasons of why the crsis could be considered a coup. Given the disagreement that there has been over related pages, I have thought that it's important to take particular caution about this. Many thanks in advance! -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 02:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Vpab15 ( talk) 17:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
– Per WP:COMMONNAME as all sources and news outlets refer to the 2020 Salvadoran political crisis as "9F," standing for 9 February, similar to 20-N. Pizzaking13 ( talk) 18:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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Happy to take up this review. I will start shortly to read the article and will post comments and suggestions below as I go along.
JBchrch
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Lead. Do refs 1 and 2 confirm the use of the acronym 9-F? I did not find that. JBchrch talk 09:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Lead. I think § Aftermath and domestic reactions should be summarized in the lead as well. JBchrch talk 09:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Lead. I think we can do better than this first sentence, which is a bit long and complicated for my taste. We could model it on other articles about political crisis, such as
2021 United States Capitol attack (On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C., was stormed during a riot and violent attack against the U.S. Congress
),
Saturday Night Massacre (The Saturday Night Massacre was a series of events that took place in the United States on the evening of Saturday, October 20, 1973, during the Watergate scandal
) or
Night of the Long Knives (a FA) (The Night of the Long Knives ... was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934.
) In other words, something very short and punchy that merely introduces what happened.
JBchrch
talk 09:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Lead. Could you please point out to me where ref 3 says that it was a coup attempt? JBchrch talk 10:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Background § 1. I think we lack dates indication here. It would be useful if there was an indication of when these events took place.
General. The link to the AlJazeera article "Constitutional crisis in El Salvador over Bukele's security plan" does not work anymore. JBchrch talk 10:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
General. I don't think Dolzall, Tom (11 February 2020). "Assembly Standoff Leads to Crisis in El Salvador". Defense & Security Monitor. is a reliable source, per WP:BLOGS. If you agree to remove it, it could be useful to add a second source, since the other source is a think thank and—while I accept it as reliable—think thanks are somewhat controversial at WP:RSN. JBchrch talk 10:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Background § 1. It would be useful to have an indication of where all these political parties stand politically, such as left, right, nationalist etc.
Crisis § 1. Could you expand on what article 167 of the Salvadorian Constitution provides?
General. Here's an article that could be useful for sourcing purposes: https://elpais.com/internacional/2020/02/10/america/1581294344_999638.html
Aftermath and domestic reactions § 1. Regarding Small demonstrations protesting Bukele's
: when I click on demonstrations protesting
, it leads me to
2020 Salvadoran protests, which states in the first sentence that the demonstrations were massive
. Which one is it?
Aftermath and domestic reactions § 3. It would be useful spelling out what is generally meant by self-coup
(per
WP:GACR #1).
General. I don't think that Vivanco, José Miguel (14 February 2020). "President Bukele, Brute Force Is Not the Way Forward for El Salvador". Human Rights Watch. Retrieved 29 March 2021. and "Political Crisis in El Salvador Should be Solved Through Dialogue, Not Through Power Plays and Military Deployments". WOLA. 10 February 2020. Retrieved 9 February 2021. are strictly reliable for factual assertions, and are subject to WP:RSOPINION. I do note, however, that both sources contain hyperlinks to reliable news article, for which they could be substituted. JBchrch talk 14:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
General. Exact same comment regarding Bristol, Mia (28 February 2020). "El Salvador's Attempted Coup". Panoramas. University of Pittsburgh. Retrieved 9 February 2021. JBchrch talk 17:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I just got back from El Salvador so I'm kinda washed up right now. I'll get back to this ASAP. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 17:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Did El Salvador apply for it ? How did the US respond ? -- Beardo ( talk) 04:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
2020 Salvadoran political crisis has been listed as one of the
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On 29 March 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to 9F. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
@ Pizzaking13: Hi! Best regards. If possible, I was meaning to ask further about the reasons of why the crsis could be considered a coup. Given the disagreement that there has been over related pages, I have thought that it's important to take particular caution about this. Many thanks in advance! -- NoonIcarus ( talk) 02:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Vpab15 ( talk) 17:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
– Per WP:COMMONNAME as all sources and news outlets refer to the 2020 Salvadoran political crisis as "9F," standing for 9 February, similar to 20-N. Pizzaking13 ( talk) 18:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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Happy to take up this review. I will start shortly to read the article and will post comments and suggestions below as I go along.
JBchrch
talk 21:21, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Lead. Do refs 1 and 2 confirm the use of the acronym 9-F? I did not find that. JBchrch talk 09:43, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Lead. I think § Aftermath and domestic reactions should be summarized in the lead as well. JBchrch talk 09:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Lead. I think we can do better than this first sentence, which is a bit long and complicated for my taste. We could model it on other articles about political crisis, such as
2021 United States Capitol attack (On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, the United States Capitol in Washington, D.C., was stormed during a riot and violent attack against the U.S. Congress
),
Saturday Night Massacre (The Saturday Night Massacre was a series of events that took place in the United States on the evening of Saturday, October 20, 1973, during the Watergate scandal
) or
Night of the Long Knives (a FA) (The Night of the Long Knives ... was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934.
) In other words, something very short and punchy that merely introduces what happened.
JBchrch
talk 09:59, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Lead. Could you please point out to me where ref 3 says that it was a coup attempt? JBchrch talk 10:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Background § 1. I think we lack dates indication here. It would be useful if there was an indication of when these events took place.
General. The link to the AlJazeera article "Constitutional crisis in El Salvador over Bukele's security plan" does not work anymore. JBchrch talk 10:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
General. I don't think Dolzall, Tom (11 February 2020). "Assembly Standoff Leads to Crisis in El Salvador". Defense & Security Monitor. is a reliable source, per WP:BLOGS. If you agree to remove it, it could be useful to add a second source, since the other source is a think thank and—while I accept it as reliable—think thanks are somewhat controversial at WP:RSN. JBchrch talk 10:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Background § 1. It would be useful to have an indication of where all these political parties stand politically, such as left, right, nationalist etc.
Crisis § 1. Could you expand on what article 167 of the Salvadorian Constitution provides?
General. Here's an article that could be useful for sourcing purposes: https://elpais.com/internacional/2020/02/10/america/1581294344_999638.html
Aftermath and domestic reactions § 1. Regarding Small demonstrations protesting Bukele's
: when I click on demonstrations protesting
, it leads me to
2020 Salvadoran protests, which states in the first sentence that the demonstrations were massive
. Which one is it?
Aftermath and domestic reactions § 3. It would be useful spelling out what is generally meant by self-coup
(per
WP:GACR #1).
General. I don't think that Vivanco, José Miguel (14 February 2020). "President Bukele, Brute Force Is Not the Way Forward for El Salvador". Human Rights Watch. Retrieved 29 March 2021. and "Political Crisis in El Salvador Should be Solved Through Dialogue, Not Through Power Plays and Military Deployments". WOLA. 10 February 2020. Retrieved 9 February 2021. are strictly reliable for factual assertions, and are subject to WP:RSOPINION. I do note, however, that both sources contain hyperlinks to reliable news article, for which they could be substituted. JBchrch talk 14:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
General. Exact same comment regarding Bristol, Mia (28 February 2020). "El Salvador's Attempted Coup". Panoramas. University of Pittsburgh. Retrieved 9 February 2021. JBchrch talk 17:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
I just got back from El Salvador so I'm kinda washed up right now. I'll get back to this ASAP. Pizzaking13 (Hablame) 17:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Did El Salvador apply for it ? How did the US respond ? -- Beardo ( talk) 04:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)