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The initial field list has been released. In the following groups – 1) players who fall under an exemption category, 2) players in the current OWGR top 100 but outside the top 70 in points, 3) players in the OWGR top 100 when it was frozen but outside the top 70 in points, 4) current Ryder Cup captains – only three players are missing: Yang Yong-eun, Shugo Imahira, and Kim Joo-hyung. Three players who will or may fall under category 9 are listed already: Matthew Fitzpatrick, Louis Oosthuizen, and Scottie Scheffler. Oosthuizen and Scheffler fall within the PGA's usual practice of listing players who are within the OWGR top 100 but near the cutoff for the top 70 in points ahead of the deadline (they're 60th and 62nd, respectively). Fitzpatrick would have fallen within that last week, but his third place at Memorial boosted him from 67th to 44th in points; another potential reason for him being listed in the field already is that the PGA occasionally does so with foreign players within the top 70 in points. It's also worth noting that the PGA, for the first time in a while, has not invited Ryder Cup players outside the OWGR top 100 ( Alex Norén and Thorbjørn Olesen). pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 17:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
They always release the initial field list the week before the top 70 in points is finalized. I suspect that this is because some international players need proof of eligibility for travel documents. During the week after the top 70 in points is finalized, they add some mix of players from the current OWGR and those just beyond the top 70 in PGA points not yet exempt. My expectation is that tomorrow's list will include additions of Norén from the current OWGR and Redman, Hubbard, Tringale, and Varner from beyond top 70. They will hold back at least two slots for the winners this week. Söderberg is the only player in the WGC FedEx St. Jude Invitational field that is not yet exempt into the PGA championship.
In my opinion, these invitees in the initial list published by the PGA of America should be listed on this page in category 12, which ultimately will be consistent with "The PGA of America reserves the right to invite additional players not included in the categories listed above" after category 9 is finalized. I believe that the fact that the PGA of America publishes this field is sufficient evidence that they are "exempt" or have been invited to play in the tournament. Determining whether those on the list have already earned another exemption into the field ahead of this "none-of-the-above" category is simply compilation of facts and information as described on WP:NOTOR. The current page structure is unnecessarily awkward.
So, it seems I was wrong about Norén, and assumed that since Kim Joo-hyung was not in last week's list and that they deleted and then reintroduced Benjamin Hebert, that neither were going to be in the field. It seems they did drop Westwood from this list. BillyPilgrim5 ( talk) 01:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
It is likely that there will not be a published source explicitly enumerating all of the categories in the manner that you desire until sometime after Friday evening when the final field is published. There is usually an AP news article with the full field breakdown. It used to be the case that the PGA of America website maintained a running update of the field by category, but they stopped doing that a few years ago. In the past couple of years, they have only provided an alphabetized list of players currently exempt into the field. It also used to be the case that pgatour.com would publish the field breakdown in their "Inside the Field" feature. Unfortunately, for the 2019 and 2018 PGA Championships they have simply listed the qualification criteria and the alphabetized field list as published by the PGA of America.
Relative to the status of Glover and Homa, it is a fact that they were both in the original field list published by the PGA of America on July 21. Since the PGA of America is the organization that runs the PGA Championship, I take them at their word when they publish a field list. It would be absurd to believe (or claim with out evidence) that such a published list would include any players that have not yet satisfied some exemption criteria for the tournament. Furthermore, both Glover and Homa were added to Rob Bolton's regularly updated list of exempt players on July 23. They are both currently listed as already exempt on Bolton's page (dated Sunday July 26; https://www.pgatour.com/fantasy/major-qualifiers.html). None of Hubbard, Redman, or Tringale are currently listed as exempt on Bolton's page. Since Glover and Homa were both in the published field prior to the final determination of the PGA points list after the conclusion of the 3M Open (July 26), it would be factually inaccurate to list them in category 13. Furthermore, at the time that Homa was first listed in the published field, his position in the PGA Points list was #86, with at least seven players not yet exempt in the list ranked over 70. It would be beyond absurd to claim that Homa only made it into the field because he was position 72 on the final PGA points list for the 2020 tournament.
I would also like to point out the following quotes from WP:NOTOR: "Wikipedians are not mere copyists, bound to repeat simple statements absent context or without thought." and "We have a responsibility to present an accurate and factual overview of the topic addressed in the article." BillyPilgrim5 ( talk) 11:39, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
"do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources."Assuming that the invitees are those from the top-100 in the OWGR (because that is usual/likely), and others are not, is precisely this. wjemather please leave a message... 12:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't the official website be listed as https://www.pgachampionship.com/ ? Kokonino ( talk) 22:27, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Bzweebl: I think your changes earlier were a definite improvement, thanks for that, and I don't think they should have been reverted. I have had another go at formatting the field section (see here) in a more succinct way, this time in more prose form, including the names of some of the players from the first few criteria. Please let me know if you think this is better or worse than your version. I don't think it makes sense to include the names of everyone in the whole field in this part of the article though - there are just too many. I have also spawned a child page at 2020 PGA Championship field, which contains all the detail previously present in the main page section, so the detailed info is not completely lost and those who wish to delve deeper into the field topic can see them there. Pinging Wjemather here too, also interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks — Amakuru ( talk) 09:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I’m sorry that I wasn’t around to contribute to this, but much respect to both of you for finding and implementing an agreeable solution. Thank you for your efforts! Bzweebl ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
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The initial field list has been released. In the following groups – 1) players who fall under an exemption category, 2) players in the current OWGR top 100 but outside the top 70 in points, 3) players in the OWGR top 100 when it was frozen but outside the top 70 in points, 4) current Ryder Cup captains – only three players are missing: Yang Yong-eun, Shugo Imahira, and Kim Joo-hyung. Three players who will or may fall under category 9 are listed already: Matthew Fitzpatrick, Louis Oosthuizen, and Scottie Scheffler. Oosthuizen and Scheffler fall within the PGA's usual practice of listing players who are within the OWGR top 100 but near the cutoff for the top 70 in points ahead of the deadline (they're 60th and 62nd, respectively). Fitzpatrick would have fallen within that last week, but his third place at Memorial boosted him from 67th to 44th in points; another potential reason for him being listed in the field already is that the PGA occasionally does so with foreign players within the top 70 in points. It's also worth noting that the PGA, for the first time in a while, has not invited Ryder Cup players outside the OWGR top 100 ( Alex Norén and Thorbjørn Olesen). pʰeːnuːmuː → pʰiːnyːmyː → ɸinimi → fiɲimi 17:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
They always release the initial field list the week before the top 70 in points is finalized. I suspect that this is because some international players need proof of eligibility for travel documents. During the week after the top 70 in points is finalized, they add some mix of players from the current OWGR and those just beyond the top 70 in PGA points not yet exempt. My expectation is that tomorrow's list will include additions of Norén from the current OWGR and Redman, Hubbard, Tringale, and Varner from beyond top 70. They will hold back at least two slots for the winners this week. Söderberg is the only player in the WGC FedEx St. Jude Invitational field that is not yet exempt into the PGA championship.
In my opinion, these invitees in the initial list published by the PGA of America should be listed on this page in category 12, which ultimately will be consistent with "The PGA of America reserves the right to invite additional players not included in the categories listed above" after category 9 is finalized. I believe that the fact that the PGA of America publishes this field is sufficient evidence that they are "exempt" or have been invited to play in the tournament. Determining whether those on the list have already earned another exemption into the field ahead of this "none-of-the-above" category is simply compilation of facts and information as described on WP:NOTOR. The current page structure is unnecessarily awkward.
So, it seems I was wrong about Norén, and assumed that since Kim Joo-hyung was not in last week's list and that they deleted and then reintroduced Benjamin Hebert, that neither were going to be in the field. It seems they did drop Westwood from this list. BillyPilgrim5 ( talk) 01:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
It is likely that there will not be a published source explicitly enumerating all of the categories in the manner that you desire until sometime after Friday evening when the final field is published. There is usually an AP news article with the full field breakdown. It used to be the case that the PGA of America website maintained a running update of the field by category, but they stopped doing that a few years ago. In the past couple of years, they have only provided an alphabetized list of players currently exempt into the field. It also used to be the case that pgatour.com would publish the field breakdown in their "Inside the Field" feature. Unfortunately, for the 2019 and 2018 PGA Championships they have simply listed the qualification criteria and the alphabetized field list as published by the PGA of America.
Relative to the status of Glover and Homa, it is a fact that they were both in the original field list published by the PGA of America on July 21. Since the PGA of America is the organization that runs the PGA Championship, I take them at their word when they publish a field list. It would be absurd to believe (or claim with out evidence) that such a published list would include any players that have not yet satisfied some exemption criteria for the tournament. Furthermore, both Glover and Homa were added to Rob Bolton's regularly updated list of exempt players on July 23. They are both currently listed as already exempt on Bolton's page (dated Sunday July 26; https://www.pgatour.com/fantasy/major-qualifiers.html). None of Hubbard, Redman, or Tringale are currently listed as exempt on Bolton's page. Since Glover and Homa were both in the published field prior to the final determination of the PGA points list after the conclusion of the 3M Open (July 26), it would be factually inaccurate to list them in category 13. Furthermore, at the time that Homa was first listed in the published field, his position in the PGA Points list was #86, with at least seven players not yet exempt in the list ranked over 70. It would be beyond absurd to claim that Homa only made it into the field because he was position 72 on the final PGA points list for the 2020 tournament.
I would also like to point out the following quotes from WP:NOTOR: "Wikipedians are not mere copyists, bound to repeat simple statements absent context or without thought." and "We have a responsibility to present an accurate and factual overview of the topic addressed in the article." BillyPilgrim5 ( talk) 11:39, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
"do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources."Assuming that the invitees are those from the top-100 in the OWGR (because that is usual/likely), and others are not, is precisely this. wjemather please leave a message... 12:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't the official website be listed as https://www.pgachampionship.com/ ? Kokonino ( talk) 22:27, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Bzweebl: I think your changes earlier were a definite improvement, thanks for that, and I don't think they should have been reverted. I have had another go at formatting the field section (see here) in a more succinct way, this time in more prose form, including the names of some of the players from the first few criteria. Please let me know if you think this is better or worse than your version. I don't think it makes sense to include the names of everyone in the whole field in this part of the article though - there are just too many. I have also spawned a child page at 2020 PGA Championship field, which contains all the detail previously present in the main page section, so the detailed info is not completely lost and those who wish to delve deeper into the field topic can see them there. Pinging Wjemather here too, also interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks — Amakuru ( talk) 09:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I’m sorry that I wasn’t around to contribute to this, but much respect to both of you for finding and implementing an agreeable solution. Thank you for your efforts! Bzweebl ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)