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...I went out and took some pictures. You're welcome to add any you like to the article. Hopefully, they'll help spruce it up a little. TomStar81 ( Talk) 05:53, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Love of Corey: WP:NOTMEMORIAL does not apply to edits in a page. It specifically says "Subjects of encyclopedia articles" - I am not creating individual articles about the deceased, so a victim's list in this article does not fall under WP:NOTMEMORIAL. See also, WP:NOTNOTMEMORIAL. Esb5415 ( talk) 15:51, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
At the time of this writing, the "State charges"-section within the "Legal proceedings"-section says "On February 8, 2023, Crusius pleaded guilty and received 90 consecutive life sentences, one for each count in the indictment, which was, 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm during and in relation to crimes of violence.[83] This included state charges of 23 counts of capital murder.[84]". First off, at the time of this writing, when I click on the source cited for the "This included state charges of 23 counts of capital murder"-claim ( [1]), some box appears, saying that the site is unavailable to European Union visitors. As a result, I cannot (at the time of this writing) use the source in question to verify whether the guilty plea in question really did include the state charges. Secondly, I have found a source from CNN which (in my opinion) indicates that the February 8, 2023 guilty plea did not include the state charges. At the time of this writing, the source in question says (and I qoute) "As the epidemic of mass shootings in America continues unabated, Crusius also faces state charges for the August 3, 2019, massacre that left almost two dozen people wounded. The slain included a 15-year-old soccer player and a 60-year-old Army veteran who would give "a meal and a home to anyone."
In that case, Texas prosecutors have said they plan to seek the death penalty. Crusius has pleaded not guilty to a state capital murder charge, and a trial has not been scheduled yet."
If the February 8, 2023 guilty plea included the state charges, why would this source say that Crusius "also faces state charges"?
Here is another source, from USA TODAY. At the time of this writing, this source says (and I qoute) "Patrick Crusius, 24, pleaded guilty Wednesday to 90 charges in connection with the Aug. 3, 2019, mass shooting, one of the deadliest in U.S. history. He still faces a potential death sentence if he’s convicted on a state capital murder charge in the shooting that killed 23 people.". Why would this source say that Crusius "still faces a potential death sentence if he’s convicted on a state capital murder charge" if he has pleaded guilty to said state capital murder charges?
Here is another source, from El Paso Matters. At the time of this writing, this source says (and I qoute) "Crusius still faces state capital murder charges that could carry the death penalty". If Crusius has pleaded guilty to the state charges, why would this source say that Crusius "still faces state capital murder charges that could carry the death penalty"?
Here is another source, from The Washington Post. At the time of this writing, this source says (and I qoute) "Crusius is still facing state capital charges; he has pleaded not guilty, and a trial date has not yet been set. It is not clear how his guilty plea on the federal charges might affect the state case.".
As I (at the time of this writing) feel that these sources indicate that the February 8, 2023 guilty pleas did not include the state charges, I would like to question the truthfullness of the claim that the February 8, 2023 guilty pleas included the state charges. Heart of Destruction ( talk) 12:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
For some reason, the lead includes this oddity, claiming that this tragedy constituted the:
The fact that this attack had the highest number of Latino victims in the US in the prior three years hardly seems lead-worthy, does it? It's not much of a "record"—and I'd question whether it even belongs in the article body.
Look forward to thoughts—thanks! ElleTheBelle ElleTheBelle 12:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
There was a guilty conviction, can we change this article's title to mass murder now? Yousef Raz ( talk) 04:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 11:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2019 El Paso shooting → El Paso Walmart shooting – WP:COMMONNAME, Google Trends show that the proposed name is usually used at a higher rate than the current name, and almost all articles about the shooting mention that it happened at a Walmart, some of which don’t even mention that it happened in El Paso. MountainDew20 ( talk) 04:59, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
The photo that pops up for "mass shooting". I see a black male holding a shotgun in a hallway. I do not think this is an accurate nor appropriate use for the term nor representative of what should be shown. Funsizeguy ( talk) 20:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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...I went out and took some pictures. You're welcome to add any you like to the article. Hopefully, they'll help spruce it up a little. TomStar81 ( Talk) 05:53, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Love of Corey: WP:NOTMEMORIAL does not apply to edits in a page. It specifically says "Subjects of encyclopedia articles" - I am not creating individual articles about the deceased, so a victim's list in this article does not fall under WP:NOTMEMORIAL. See also, WP:NOTNOTMEMORIAL. Esb5415 ( talk) 15:51, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
At the time of this writing, the "State charges"-section within the "Legal proceedings"-section says "On February 8, 2023, Crusius pleaded guilty and received 90 consecutive life sentences, one for each count in the indictment, which was, 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm during and in relation to crimes of violence.[83] This included state charges of 23 counts of capital murder.[84]". First off, at the time of this writing, when I click on the source cited for the "This included state charges of 23 counts of capital murder"-claim ( [1]), some box appears, saying that the site is unavailable to European Union visitors. As a result, I cannot (at the time of this writing) use the source in question to verify whether the guilty plea in question really did include the state charges. Secondly, I have found a source from CNN which (in my opinion) indicates that the February 8, 2023 guilty plea did not include the state charges. At the time of this writing, the source in question says (and I qoute) "As the epidemic of mass shootings in America continues unabated, Crusius also faces state charges for the August 3, 2019, massacre that left almost two dozen people wounded. The slain included a 15-year-old soccer player and a 60-year-old Army veteran who would give "a meal and a home to anyone."
In that case, Texas prosecutors have said they plan to seek the death penalty. Crusius has pleaded not guilty to a state capital murder charge, and a trial has not been scheduled yet."
If the February 8, 2023 guilty plea included the state charges, why would this source say that Crusius "also faces state charges"?
Here is another source, from USA TODAY. At the time of this writing, this source says (and I qoute) "Patrick Crusius, 24, pleaded guilty Wednesday to 90 charges in connection with the Aug. 3, 2019, mass shooting, one of the deadliest in U.S. history. He still faces a potential death sentence if he’s convicted on a state capital murder charge in the shooting that killed 23 people.". Why would this source say that Crusius "still faces a potential death sentence if he’s convicted on a state capital murder charge" if he has pleaded guilty to said state capital murder charges?
Here is another source, from El Paso Matters. At the time of this writing, this source says (and I qoute) "Crusius still faces state capital murder charges that could carry the death penalty". If Crusius has pleaded guilty to the state charges, why would this source say that Crusius "still faces state capital murder charges that could carry the death penalty"?
Here is another source, from The Washington Post. At the time of this writing, this source says (and I qoute) "Crusius is still facing state capital charges; he has pleaded not guilty, and a trial date has not yet been set. It is not clear how his guilty plea on the federal charges might affect the state case.".
As I (at the time of this writing) feel that these sources indicate that the February 8, 2023 guilty pleas did not include the state charges, I would like to question the truthfullness of the claim that the February 8, 2023 guilty pleas included the state charges. Heart of Destruction ( talk) 12:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
For some reason, the lead includes this oddity, claiming that this tragedy constituted the:
The fact that this attack had the highest number of Latino victims in the US in the prior three years hardly seems lead-worthy, does it? It's not much of a "record"—and I'd question whether it even belongs in the article body.
Look forward to thoughts—thanks! ElleTheBelle ElleTheBelle 12:55, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
There was a guilty conviction, can we change this article's title to mass murder now? Yousef Raz ( talk) 04:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 ( talk) 11:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2019 El Paso shooting → El Paso Walmart shooting – WP:COMMONNAME, Google Trends show that the proposed name is usually used at a higher rate than the current name, and almost all articles about the shooting mention that it happened at a Walmart, some of which don’t even mention that it happened in El Paso. MountainDew20 ( talk) 04:59, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
The photo that pops up for "mass shooting". I see a black male holding a shotgun in a hallway. I do not think this is an accurate nor appropriate use for the term nor representative of what should be shown. Funsizeguy ( talk) 20:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)