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Call me a cynic, but what exactly is the point in creating this article so early?
As per last year, and multiple other articles, if David Wagner gets a flag, it it the US one, not the German one. WP:FOOTY consensus seems to be that a footballer's nationality is defined by the national team they play(ed) for. Spike 'em ( talk) 12:28, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
As the section is now, especially with such long writeups of the promotions and relegations now becoming common (259 words this year, 314 last year), the section leaves me carefully having to read deeper in to find the exact season year numbers [which can be work to quickly consider, especially given each season is of course two years] to determine if the sections on "Teams promoted to the Premier League" and "Teams relegated to the EFL Championship" are referring to changes from the previous season to the subject one, or to the results from the current one. (Obviously it's clear for this year's article, since the season hasn't ended yet, but it gets more challenging going back into past seasons). I feel like it puts a lot of onus onto readers to carefully analyze and read (or forces them to assume/note/be aware that articles often are in some loose chronological order). And I feel like we probably should be able to tweak the words in the two subheadings very slightly and alleviate much of the strain. I made a first try, with "Teams promoted in to Premier League" and "Teams relegated away to the EFL Championship". I felt like these small words helped signal to the mind slightly the idea it was a past action rather than a result. Even as I certainly wasn't 110% satisfied those were the perfect words. But found the attempt was quickly reverted by @ PeeJay2K3:, with only response being that it wasn't correct. So I am hoping for some additional input/better ideas. Anyone else want to weigh in or offer alternatives? Or do you see it as unnecessary? Perhaps I just don't see the same clarity, being an American, as a native would automatically see? (though of course it is an article for an international audience!) If it proves most see it as useless meddling, I'll certainly move on. But hoping tiny tweaks can improve approachability for people without having major ramifications in increased text or awkward language. Help? Thanks JeopardyTempest ( talk) 15:25, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
A relatively new user made it, but I do not see any significance for that, since the playmaker award is given for the one with most assists. In short, not going anywhere. What should be done? – Flix11 ( talk) 18:37, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
I added a position by round table (see below), but another user has removed it. Every other major football league has this table on their wikipedia page. Why would this not be something we'd want here?
Jopal22 ( talk) 16:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Leader | |
UEFA Champions League Group stage | |
UEFA Europa League Group stage | |
Relegation to EFL Championship |
Whats preferred? Interim or Caretaker manager? Govvy ( talk) 11:09, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi, guys. I feel as though the summary on the teams section is too brief, so I'm kindly requesting that we can add some more detail onto it, but not too much. Just enough to make the section more interesting. Here's an example:
This season, twenty teams competed in the
Premier League - the top 17 teams from
the previous season, as well as the three promoted teams from the
EFL Championship.
Team changes
Promoted teams
The three teams promoted to the Premier League from the
2017-18 EFL Championship are
Wolverhampton Wanderers,
Cardiff City and
Fulham. They were promoted as champions, runner-ups and play-off winners respectively. Wolverhampton Wanderers returned to the Premier League after a
six year absence while both Cardiff City and Fulham returned after a
four year absence.
Relegated teams
The three teams relegated from the Premier League to the
2018-19 EFL Championship are
Swansea City,
Stoke City and
West Bromwich Albion after finishing in the bottom three, ending their top flight spells of
seven,
ten and
eight years respectively. This was also the first relegation of Swansea City and Stoke City from the Premier League.
If you feel like this could be a good change for the article, then I can quickly add on to it and I can do the same on the previous Premier League articles as well.
TB Chigz (
talk) 09:43, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, there's a footer below the league table talking about how the two Carabao Cup finalists (Chelsea and Man City) are in the top 4 of the table but Chelsea is no longer in that position. I don't quite know how to remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ifty boy ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
@ Flix11:Â : isn't manually maintaining the total attendance figures WP:OR / in breach of WP:V? Spike 'em ( talk) 10:24, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Top 10 seems to be standard, the PL list goes further than the list was including before (sorry, I missed the citation in the table itself). Spike 'em ( talk) 19:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Seeing as the PL site is so slow in updating the clean sheets list (it is at least 9 days out of date), a couple of other sources, dunno how they relate to each other or how reliable they are:
Both Fox and TM give Guaita 8 clean sheets though 7 is listed on the table. I think they both (or whichever is the primary source of data) count a game (against Watford) where he was substituted at half-time without conceding as a clean sheet even though the Crystal Palace let in 2 in the second half. The figures on the PL site don't include this as a clean sheet for him. Spike 'em ( talk) 11:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
A clean sheet is awarded for not conceding a goal whilst on the pitch and playing at least 60 minutes (excluding injury time). If a player has been substituted when a goal is conceded this will not affect any clean sheet bonus. The distinction between 60 and 90 minutes does not affect any of the goalkeepers being discussed. Spike 'em ( talk) 12:27, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
If Manchester City win the FA Cup, and thus the accompanying European slot, doesn't it pass down to seventh place - might be worth a footnote in the current table? Culloty82 ( talk) 17:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
If the UCL UEFA qualification regulations limit the participants to 5 per country in the UCL and the 4 finalists of the European cups belong to the top 5 of the 2018-19 EPL, Arsenal FC (5th in the EPL) must appear in the classified the table for the next UCL, because if it loses 2018-19 UEL final, would occupy the 3rd place of the team of EPL classified because the other two places will be occupied by the champions of European cups, which also belong to the EPL.
I think what you say to me would have to happen (Arsenal FC would only qualify for the next UCL if it is consecrated UEL champion) if the English opponent of Arsenal FC in the final would not be in the EPL top 4 (ranked for the next UCL), something that does not happen and that benefits the Arsenal FC, who still lose the UEL final classifies the UCL. Maybe there is a point that I do not understand about the regulation and I would like you to tell me. regards.
I already understood perfectly the new rules of the UCL: the champions of the UCL who already qualify for the next UCL through their local league, give their place to the best champion team classified in the previous phase of the UCL (in this case, the Czech league champion has already qualified for the next UCL), and the UEL champions who already qualify for the next UCL give their place to the best non-champion team ranked in the previous UCL phase (in this case, if Chelsea FC wins the UEL, which will occupy that place will be the third team of Ligue 1 of France). What I did not understand was which team in the UEFA ranking was given that limited place, and that is why I took the trouble to read the regulations of the competition. Thanx friend.
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Call me a cynic, but what exactly is the point in creating this article so early?
As per last year, and multiple other articles, if David Wagner gets a flag, it it the US one, not the German one. WP:FOOTY consensus seems to be that a footballer's nationality is defined by the national team they play(ed) for. Spike 'em ( talk) 12:28, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
As the section is now, especially with such long writeups of the promotions and relegations now becoming common (259 words this year, 314 last year), the section leaves me carefully having to read deeper in to find the exact season year numbers [which can be work to quickly consider, especially given each season is of course two years] to determine if the sections on "Teams promoted to the Premier League" and "Teams relegated to the EFL Championship" are referring to changes from the previous season to the subject one, or to the results from the current one. (Obviously it's clear for this year's article, since the season hasn't ended yet, but it gets more challenging going back into past seasons). I feel like it puts a lot of onus onto readers to carefully analyze and read (or forces them to assume/note/be aware that articles often are in some loose chronological order). And I feel like we probably should be able to tweak the words in the two subheadings very slightly and alleviate much of the strain. I made a first try, with "Teams promoted in to Premier League" and "Teams relegated away to the EFL Championship". I felt like these small words helped signal to the mind slightly the idea it was a past action rather than a result. Even as I certainly wasn't 110% satisfied those were the perfect words. But found the attempt was quickly reverted by @ PeeJay2K3:, with only response being that it wasn't correct. So I am hoping for some additional input/better ideas. Anyone else want to weigh in or offer alternatives? Or do you see it as unnecessary? Perhaps I just don't see the same clarity, being an American, as a native would automatically see? (though of course it is an article for an international audience!) If it proves most see it as useless meddling, I'll certainly move on. But hoping tiny tweaks can improve approachability for people without having major ramifications in increased text or awkward language. Help? Thanks JeopardyTempest ( talk) 15:25, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
A relatively new user made it, but I do not see any significance for that, since the playmaker award is given for the one with most assists. In short, not going anywhere. What should be done? – Flix11 ( talk) 18:37, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
I added a position by round table (see below), but another user has removed it. Every other major football league has this table on their wikipedia page. Why would this not be something we'd want here?
Jopal22 ( talk) 16:55, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Leader | |
UEFA Champions League Group stage | |
UEFA Europa League Group stage | |
Relegation to EFL Championship |
Whats preferred? Interim or Caretaker manager? Govvy ( talk) 11:09, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi, guys. I feel as though the summary on the teams section is too brief, so I'm kindly requesting that we can add some more detail onto it, but not too much. Just enough to make the section more interesting. Here's an example:
This season, twenty teams competed in the
Premier League - the top 17 teams from
the previous season, as well as the three promoted teams from the
EFL Championship.
Team changes
Promoted teams
The three teams promoted to the Premier League from the
2017-18 EFL Championship are
Wolverhampton Wanderers,
Cardiff City and
Fulham. They were promoted as champions, runner-ups and play-off winners respectively. Wolverhampton Wanderers returned to the Premier League after a
six year absence while both Cardiff City and Fulham returned after a
four year absence.
Relegated teams
The three teams relegated from the Premier League to the
2018-19 EFL Championship are
Swansea City,
Stoke City and
West Bromwich Albion after finishing in the bottom three, ending their top flight spells of
seven,
ten and
eight years respectively. This was also the first relegation of Swansea City and Stoke City from the Premier League.
If you feel like this could be a good change for the article, then I can quickly add on to it and I can do the same on the previous Premier League articles as well.
TB Chigz (
talk) 09:43, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, there's a footer below the league table talking about how the two Carabao Cup finalists (Chelsea and Man City) are in the top 4 of the table but Chelsea is no longer in that position. I don't quite know how to remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ifty boy ( talk • contribs) 21:57, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
@ Flix11:Â : isn't manually maintaining the total attendance figures WP:OR / in breach of WP:V? Spike 'em ( talk) 10:24, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Top 10 seems to be standard, the PL list goes further than the list was including before (sorry, I missed the citation in the table itself). Spike 'em ( talk) 19:39, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Seeing as the PL site is so slow in updating the clean sheets list (it is at least 9 days out of date), a couple of other sources, dunno how they relate to each other or how reliable they are:
Both Fox and TM give Guaita 8 clean sheets though 7 is listed on the table. I think they both (or whichever is the primary source of data) count a game (against Watford) where he was substituted at half-time without conceding as a clean sheet even though the Crystal Palace let in 2 in the second half. The figures on the PL site don't include this as a clean sheet for him. Spike 'em ( talk) 11:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
A clean sheet is awarded for not conceding a goal whilst on the pitch and playing at least 60 minutes (excluding injury time). If a player has been substituted when a goal is conceded this will not affect any clean sheet bonus. The distinction between 60 and 90 minutes does not affect any of the goalkeepers being discussed. Spike 'em ( talk) 12:27, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
If Manchester City win the FA Cup, and thus the accompanying European slot, doesn't it pass down to seventh place - might be worth a footnote in the current table? Culloty82 ( talk) 17:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
If the UCL UEFA qualification regulations limit the participants to 5 per country in the UCL and the 4 finalists of the European cups belong to the top 5 of the 2018-19 EPL, Arsenal FC (5th in the EPL) must appear in the classified the table for the next UCL, because if it loses 2018-19 UEL final, would occupy the 3rd place of the team of EPL classified because the other two places will be occupied by the champions of European cups, which also belong to the EPL.
I think what you say to me would have to happen (Arsenal FC would only qualify for the next UCL if it is consecrated UEL champion) if the English opponent of Arsenal FC in the final would not be in the EPL top 4 (ranked for the next UCL), something that does not happen and that benefits the Arsenal FC, who still lose the UEL final classifies the UCL. Maybe there is a point that I do not understand about the regulation and I would like you to tell me. regards.
I already understood perfectly the new rules of the UCL: the champions of the UCL who already qualify for the next UCL through their local league, give their place to the best champion team classified in the previous phase of the UCL (in this case, the Czech league champion has already qualified for the next UCL), and the UEL champions who already qualify for the next UCL give their place to the best non-champion team ranked in the previous UCL phase (in this case, if Chelsea FC wins the UEL, which will occupy that place will be the third team of Ligue 1 of France). What I did not understand was which team in the UEFA ranking was given that limited place, and that is why I took the trouble to read the regulations of the competition. Thanx friend.