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While it may be a de facto coup, Mugabe is still the President. Though I doubt he will be. I think a military takeover may be better as the military now seems de facto administrator. MonsterHunter32 ( talk) 14:18, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Where are the sources for calling it a coup? Just because the AU says it seems like a coup doesn't mean it is. Mattojgb ( talk) 11:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Was it a coup tho? -- Volvlogia ( talk) 12:37, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Does there need to be an article on Mnangagwa's 'lacoste' faction given that he's just about to become president and there's an existing article for the G40 faction? I was looking for one and couldn't find it! :) Fourdots2 ( talk) 13:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I agree however I am not knowledgeable enough on the topic to write it :) can anyone do so? Fourdots2 ( talk) 23:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
I've just made the article however it's quite short on detail and I'm not very used to doing these things - maybe someone can fill it out :)
/info/en/?search=Lacoste_(political_faction) Fourdots2 ( talk) 23:13, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, WP:SNOW closure. No support for move other than nominator, and nominator has said "I give up" in edit summary. ( non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π, ν) 19:47, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
2017 Zimbabwean coup d'état →
2017 Zimbabwean uprising (or other) – This is not a coup. A president has resigned, his vice president was acting president for a few days, the ruling party's nominee has been sworn in: all totally in accordance with the country's constitution. By no definition of the phrase was this a coup d'etat. If it were regarded as as such, other governments would not have been in a position to welcome it, and supranational bodies,most notably the AU, would have been obliged to intervene. There is no legal or governmental authority, within or without Zimbabwe, describing this as a coup. I am not hellbent on 'uprising' as a replacement, but a coup it is not.
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11:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
"in the face of a show of political and popular opinion"- if that's what you call it when the military take control of the state and place the leader under house arrest, then sure. A show of political and popular opinion it was. Nobody's disputing that the change of government may have been welcomed by the majority of the population, and they're not disputing that it was bloodless (so far), but neither of those things prevent it being a coup. Without military intervention, Mugabe would not have resigned, and the parliament wouldn't have been able to impeach him either. — Amakuru ( talk) 15:09, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
This overall chronicle of Mugabe's fall by reuters just got plublished and is quite good. Worth reading and integrating.
-- 37.169.3.96 ( talk) 14:39, 26 November 2017 (UTC) (from my mobile phone)
Is Template:Infobox Military Conflict the best fit for this event? It seems to be forcing things into a somewhat misleading shape - for example, was Emmerson Mnangagwa really the "Commander" of one side of a military operation, when he wasn't even in the country for the entire duration? Did Phelekezela Mphoko, apparently a "Commander" on Mugabe's side despite also being out of the country for the duration, have any involvement at all? What 'loyal state institutions' were fighting on Mugabe's side?
I'm wondering if Template:Infobox civil conflict, as used on 2016–17 Zimbabwe protests, might be a better fit? TSP ( talk) 22:30, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
file: c:File:Emmerson Mnangagwa 2017.png Reason:There is a section on the website to request the usage of image. The request was not shown in Wikimedia. " https://www.insidevoa.com/p/5719.html" subpage: link
Message automatically deposited by a robot on 09:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harideepan ( talk • contribs)
"At a rally, President Mugabe publicly rebuked the and Mnangagwa for the first time." The what? 185.209.198.102 ( talk) 20:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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While it may be a de facto coup, Mugabe is still the President. Though I doubt he will be. I think a military takeover may be better as the military now seems de facto administrator. MonsterHunter32 ( talk) 14:18, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Where are the sources for calling it a coup? Just because the AU says it seems like a coup doesn't mean it is. Mattojgb ( talk) 11:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Was it a coup tho? -- Volvlogia ( talk) 12:37, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Does there need to be an article on Mnangagwa's 'lacoste' faction given that he's just about to become president and there's an existing article for the G40 faction? I was looking for one and couldn't find it! :) Fourdots2 ( talk) 13:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I agree however I am not knowledgeable enough on the topic to write it :) can anyone do so? Fourdots2 ( talk) 23:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
I've just made the article however it's quite short on detail and I'm not very used to doing these things - maybe someone can fill it out :)
/info/en/?search=Lacoste_(political_faction) Fourdots2 ( talk) 23:13, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved, WP:SNOW closure. No support for move other than nominator, and nominator has said "I give up" in edit summary. ( non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π, ν) 19:47, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
2017 Zimbabwean coup d'état →
2017 Zimbabwean uprising (or other) – This is not a coup. A president has resigned, his vice president was acting president for a few days, the ruling party's nominee has been sworn in: all totally in accordance with the country's constitution. By no definition of the phrase was this a coup d'etat. If it were regarded as as such, other governments would not have been in a position to welcome it, and supranational bodies,most notably the AU, would have been obliged to intervene. There is no legal or governmental authority, within or without Zimbabwe, describing this as a coup. I am not hellbent on 'uprising' as a replacement, but a coup it is not.
Kevin McE (
talk)
11:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
"in the face of a show of political and popular opinion"- if that's what you call it when the military take control of the state and place the leader under house arrest, then sure. A show of political and popular opinion it was. Nobody's disputing that the change of government may have been welcomed by the majority of the population, and they're not disputing that it was bloodless (so far), but neither of those things prevent it being a coup. Without military intervention, Mugabe would not have resigned, and the parliament wouldn't have been able to impeach him either. — Amakuru ( talk) 15:09, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
This overall chronicle of Mugabe's fall by reuters just got plublished and is quite good. Worth reading and integrating.
-- 37.169.3.96 ( talk) 14:39, 26 November 2017 (UTC) (from my mobile phone)
Is Template:Infobox Military Conflict the best fit for this event? It seems to be forcing things into a somewhat misleading shape - for example, was Emmerson Mnangagwa really the "Commander" of one side of a military operation, when he wasn't even in the country for the entire duration? Did Phelekezela Mphoko, apparently a "Commander" on Mugabe's side despite also being out of the country for the duration, have any involvement at all? What 'loyal state institutions' were fighting on Mugabe's side?
I'm wondering if Template:Infobox civil conflict, as used on 2016–17 Zimbabwe protests, might be a better fit? TSP ( talk) 22:30, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
file: c:File:Emmerson Mnangagwa 2017.png Reason:There is a section on the website to request the usage of image. The request was not shown in Wikimedia. " https://www.insidevoa.com/p/5719.html" subpage: link
Message automatically deposited by a robot on 09:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harideepan ( talk • contribs)
"At a rally, President Mugabe publicly rebuked the and Mnangagwa for the first time." The what? 185.209.198.102 ( talk) 20:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)