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I think the editors of this page should add the victims' names. Victims of Halamish-- Jane955 ( talk) 14:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
@ SantiLak: - the target was civilians who were in a settlement - that is a neutral phrasing - in any attack. In this particular incident - describing the attacked as settlers is, beyond NPOV issues, also factually wrong' - as two of the three fatalities were not settlers - one was a resident of El'ad and the other a resident of Lod. [1]. Icewhiz ( talk) 06:01, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Three Israelis were killed Friday in a stabbing attack in a West Bank settlementor BBC (hardly pro-Israel) - [3]
Three Israeli civilians have been stabbed to death in a settlement near Ramallah in the occupied West Bank.. In addition, specifically in this particular instance - some of the fatalities weren't settlers - they were visiting for Shabbat (residents of El'ad). If we look at Israeli and Western sources - the typical formulation would be "Israelis/citizens/jews in a settlement". If we look at Palestinian sources (where there is a wider RS issue, but that aside) - then the victims are labelled as settlers. Icewhiz ( talk) 19:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
this section at 2017 Temple Mount shooting regards your removal of +972 magazine. The RSN board has never, as Roland R stated, come down with a decision that it was not RS. Generally editors in recent discussions do not allow it to be removed at sight, as E. M. Gregory used to do. You did.
Now, look at what is happening on this page. The same editor is introducing suspect sources to make a wild accusation as though it were a fact.
this edit Icewhiz adds sheer speculation from 2 sources. One is Liel Leibovitz writing for The Tablet (a journal I also cite when the topic is not inflammatory, but shows some levelheadedness).
(a) an inflammatory writer like Liel Leibovitz, known for his hostility, cannot be used for facts. He distorts everything he writes on this topic. (a) Icewhiz removed +972 magazine stating, against RSN discussions, that it was not a reliable source and then go and add 2 sources, Leiobowitz, and Mida which are obviously far more inflammatory and speculative than the ‘072 report removed. Here is Leibowitz skewing a fact for inflammatory effect (apart from using words like ‘yowling’ to describe Abbas’s protestations.)
And they include bigots like Linda Sarsour, darling of the regressive left, who took to Twitter to claim falsely that Israel was denying Muslims the right to pray in al-Aqsa
Every one who follows the topic knows that Israel regularly forbids all Palestinian male Muslim under 50 years of age from praying at al-Aqsa.
al-Abed family will enjoy a generous payday, courtesy of the Palestinian Authority, which uses the money it receives from, among other sources, American tax payers to handsomely compensate the killers of Jews.
Leibowitz uses the future tense not to predict but to state what will of necessity occur, and he cannot be used to write:-
The alleged perpetrator is expected to receive several thousands of dollars per month in a salary from the Palestinian National Authority for carrying out the attack and serving jail time,[12] which according to right leaning Mida will total 4.3 million shekels
Mida is acknowledged to be an inappropriate source. Icewhiz thus used two extremist sources that are purely speculative. There is no far no proof of this (for far) it is an extremist POV, and a matter of violating WP:Crystal. Both should be removed immediately. And Icewhiz, if you keep playing games with WP:RS, chucking out disliked sources while introducing others that have even less claim to RS reputability simply because their opinions prop up a hostile POV, the appropriate noticeboard will be notified. You must not change the rules depending on what page you are editing, and what the POV stakes are perceived to be. Nishidani ( talk) 21:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia have a policy about that topic? The user ThePagesWriter added the bloody image to the articles infobox a few days ago. The image is clearly meant to cause the viewer emotional distress. I think using the image in this way is in poor taste. According to ThePagesWriter, the image comes from the IDF:s Facebook page and is licensed under Creative Commons. But the part of Creative Commons licensing is not present at the IDF:s Facebook page. And someone should tell ThePagesWriter that he doesn't have 500 edits under his name so he can't edit this page. ImTheIP ( talk) 20:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
I reduced the excessively long quotations from Facebook. I'm preserving this material here by providing this link. Please let me know if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman ( talk) 01:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
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I think the editors of this page should add the victims' names. Victims of Halamish-- Jane955 ( talk) 14:42, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
@ SantiLak: - the target was civilians who were in a settlement - that is a neutral phrasing - in any attack. In this particular incident - describing the attacked as settlers is, beyond NPOV issues, also factually wrong' - as two of the three fatalities were not settlers - one was a resident of El'ad and the other a resident of Lod. [1]. Icewhiz ( talk) 06:01, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Three Israelis were killed Friday in a stabbing attack in a West Bank settlementor BBC (hardly pro-Israel) - [3]
Three Israeli civilians have been stabbed to death in a settlement near Ramallah in the occupied West Bank.. In addition, specifically in this particular instance - some of the fatalities weren't settlers - they were visiting for Shabbat (residents of El'ad). If we look at Israeli and Western sources - the typical formulation would be "Israelis/citizens/jews in a settlement". If we look at Palestinian sources (where there is a wider RS issue, but that aside) - then the victims are labelled as settlers. Icewhiz ( talk) 19:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
this section at 2017 Temple Mount shooting regards your removal of +972 magazine. The RSN board has never, as Roland R stated, come down with a decision that it was not RS. Generally editors in recent discussions do not allow it to be removed at sight, as E. M. Gregory used to do. You did.
Now, look at what is happening on this page. The same editor is introducing suspect sources to make a wild accusation as though it were a fact.
this edit Icewhiz adds sheer speculation from 2 sources. One is Liel Leibovitz writing for The Tablet (a journal I also cite when the topic is not inflammatory, but shows some levelheadedness).
(a) an inflammatory writer like Liel Leibovitz, known for his hostility, cannot be used for facts. He distorts everything he writes on this topic. (a) Icewhiz removed +972 magazine stating, against RSN discussions, that it was not a reliable source and then go and add 2 sources, Leiobowitz, and Mida which are obviously far more inflammatory and speculative than the ‘072 report removed. Here is Leibowitz skewing a fact for inflammatory effect (apart from using words like ‘yowling’ to describe Abbas’s protestations.)
And they include bigots like Linda Sarsour, darling of the regressive left, who took to Twitter to claim falsely that Israel was denying Muslims the right to pray in al-Aqsa
Every one who follows the topic knows that Israel regularly forbids all Palestinian male Muslim under 50 years of age from praying at al-Aqsa.
al-Abed family will enjoy a generous payday, courtesy of the Palestinian Authority, which uses the money it receives from, among other sources, American tax payers to handsomely compensate the killers of Jews.
Leibowitz uses the future tense not to predict but to state what will of necessity occur, and he cannot be used to write:-
The alleged perpetrator is expected to receive several thousands of dollars per month in a salary from the Palestinian National Authority for carrying out the attack and serving jail time,[12] which according to right leaning Mida will total 4.3 million shekels
Mida is acknowledged to be an inappropriate source. Icewhiz thus used two extremist sources that are purely speculative. There is no far no proof of this (for far) it is an extremist POV, and a matter of violating WP:Crystal. Both should be removed immediately. And Icewhiz, if you keep playing games with WP:RS, chucking out disliked sources while introducing others that have even less claim to RS reputability simply because their opinions prop up a hostile POV, the appropriate noticeboard will be notified. You must not change the rules depending on what page you are editing, and what the POV stakes are perceived to be. Nishidani ( talk) 21:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Does Wikipedia have a policy about that topic? The user ThePagesWriter added the bloody image to the articles infobox a few days ago. The image is clearly meant to cause the viewer emotional distress. I think using the image in this way is in poor taste. According to ThePagesWriter, the image comes from the IDF:s Facebook page and is licensed under Creative Commons. But the part of Creative Commons licensing is not present at the IDF:s Facebook page. And someone should tell ThePagesWriter that he doesn't have 500 edits under his name so he can't edit this page. ImTheIP ( talk) 20:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
I reduced the excessively long quotations from Facebook. I'm preserving this material here by providing this link. Please let me know if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman ( talk) 01:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)