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This (currently very short) article mentions it will be the 85th running three times. Is this really necessary? -- Scjessey ( talk) 21:11, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
G-Drive's two car entry will be run by two different teams, the 22 will be the car from the ELMS run by Dragonspeed and the 26 the WEC car run by TDS. I am therefore wondering what the consensus is on splitting one team into two in order to highlight the fact that they are separate entities run under the same banner? Wesutf1 ( talk) 12:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
I think the entry list currently makes inappropriate use of colors. WP:COLOR clearly explains that we should not use colors as a means to convey information, simply because not everyone can see them. But even for a visually unimpaired person like myself it makes the table much more difficult to read. This should be addressed. T v x1 18:13, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Q: What happened to the 2017 Garage 56 entry? Were there entries that were not accepted? Why not? Is the ACO no longer doing the Garage 56 / New Technology entry thing? Dpep ( talk) 02:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to specifically identify provisional pole positions in each class? Surely only the leading overall qualifiers in each class is all the matters? -- Scjessey ( talk) 16:49, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
The intro makes great play of the fact that this was the first time an LMP2 car led the race. I've toned this down a bit, but I am still slightly concerned that there is undue weight given by including this fact in the lede. After all, it isn't the first time (far from it) that a second- or third-class car has led the race. Indeed, famously, the 1979 24 Hours of Le Mans race was actually won by a Group 5 'special production' car with the fastest prototype (nominally a 'higher' class of car) finishing only fourth. This smells a little of recentism to me, but I'd be interested in others' opinions. Pyrop e 21:18, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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As an American, the first time I heard about a 24-hour race was in Ford v Ferrari (lame, I know). I saw this on our GAN Drive table, and you know what, I kinda want to learn more. I will start this review and likely finish it either Friday, August 18 or Saturday, August 19. I might even finish today, depending. I am going to read up on race car policy and other good articles on races to get a feel of what this article should entail. In the meantime, start your engines! Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 21:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, hello! For my reviews, the following are suggestions for grammar or sentence structure fixes to the prose during my first skim through of the article; for the editor-at-large. If you do not agree with a comment, think it is inappropriate for the text, or not proper, feel free to disregard with a comment:
The JMW Motorsport Ferrari 488 GTE shared Robert Smith, Will Stevens, and Dries Vanthoor won the Le Mans Grand Touring Endurance Amateur (LMGTE Am) class.Two things, possible missing word "by" before "Robert". I would add commas before "shared" and "won".
Derani, Priaulx and Tincknell stayed first in the GT World Endurance Drivers' Championship with Adam, Serra and Turner's category win moving them to second.I would suggest adding commas before "with" and "moving".
... the standards for car classification were changed.it might be worth noting who or what body changed the standards.
Failure to complete the race's final lap in under fifteen minutes no longer led a car ...Possible missing word "to" in front of "a".
The Le Man's ...?
The run-off area where the last right-hand turn goes into the left-hand corner which begins the Corvette corner was widened ...I would suggest adding commas before "which" and "corner".
Automatic invitations
When teams received invitations, they were allowed to cars (but not their category) ...Possible missing word "use" before "cars".
Entry list and reserves
In conjunction with the announcement of entries for the 2017 FIA WEC ..."announcing" instead of "the announcement of".
Two cars were initially named ...it might be worth to note who initially named to two cars.
Porsche remained slower than Toyota with their best lap coming from Bamber's No. 2 car ...Possible comma before "with".
Aston Martin led LMGTE Am with Pedro Lamy's 3-minutes 58.250-second ..."3-minutes" to "3-minute".
The session ended less than fifteen minutes early, when Roberto González's No. 25 Manor ...I would omit the comma here.
Roberto Lacorte slid the Cetilar Villorba Corse Dallara into the Mulsanne corner gravel trap, and abandoned the car.Delete comma here as these are not independent clauses (my acronym for later use; NIC) being linked together.
Due to a significant practise incident in the first Road to Le Mans race ...should be "practice" because it is a noun, not a verb.
Matthieu Vaxivière put TDS Racing's Oreca on provisional pole ...Possible missing word "the" in front of "provisional".
Jani and Bernhard in the two Porsches lapped quicker, and moved to second and third.I would remove the comma here, NIC.
... but Kobayashi's time was not bettered. Two things here. Comma before "but". "bettered" is awkward. Maybe "bested"?
Lapierre improved early on, and was fifthRemove comma here per NIC.
first-class?
All five manufacturers in LMGTE Pro were within a second of Turner's lap, with the fastest Ford in fifth courtesy of Ryan Briscoe; Antonio García sixth for Corvette ...Semi-colon to comma here?
Qualifying results
fourth fastest?
Briscoe's No. 69 Ford ...?
... made contact with the barriers before stopping in the gravel trap, and returned to the pit lane for repairs.I would delete comma, NIC.
Vincent Capillaire?
Start to evening
two and a half minutes?
Sørensen relinquished the LMGTE Pro lead to Daniel Serra's sister No. 97 Aston Martin, with the No. 67 Ford in second.I would add a comma before "No. 97".
Vaxivière unsettled the front of his TDS Racing Oreca while braking for the first Mulsanne chicane and moved left towards Pierre Kaffer's unseen No. 82 Risi Ferrari, which he was lapping in traffic.This could be a sentence that can be broken into two for clarity. It could look like:
... Mulsanne chicane. He moved left ...
Kaffer was unhurt, but a lengthy slow zone was imposed ...needs clarity as to who imposed the slow zone.
Night to dawn
Olivier Pla beached the No. 66 Ford at the left-hand ...I believe readers will read "beached" as Beaching (nautical). I would rephrase to another synonym.
No. 66 Ford was recovered ...
As a result, the car briefly caught fire, and Lapierre drove on hybrid power before being asked by his team ...
Nicolas Prost's No. 31 Rebellion Oreca car entered the garage for an inspection due to reported a gearbox problem"reported a" to "a reported".
... Emmanuel Collard crashed the No. 28 TDS Oreca into the tyre wall exiting the Porsche Curves at high of speed."high of speed" to "a high speed".
AF Courses' cars were caught out by the safety car's timing and brought into the pit lane ...
Morning to finish
The No. 95 Aston Martin relinquished the LMGTE Pro lead to Jordan Taylor's No. 63 Corvette which cycled to Makowiecki's No. 92 Porsche ...I would add a comma before "which".
Stanaway drove to the pit lane for quick repairs, and was relieved by ThiimRemove comma as NIC.
Adam's No. 97 Aston Martin attempted to pass Taylor's No. 63 ..., "attempted" could be "tried" as "attempting" appears in the sentence before.
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Alright, the article's prose are good at a skim through. Mostly grammar or commas or minor sentence structure issues. No major problems, but I will go onto the full read through after a break. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 19:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
After winning the 2017 iteration of Le Mans, Bamber, Bernhard and Hartley led the ...
On 4 June.
... Dunlop Curve's/Curves' gravel trap?
Negrão lost the No. 35 Signatech Alpine's hold on third overall to Piquet's No. 13 Rebellion car in the final hour when he slowly beached the Alpine in the gravel at Arnage corner while attempting to rejoin the circuitshould be changed.
Bamber, Bernhard, and Hartley ...same as per the lead issue highlighted above.
OK, the full read through did not present any problems for the article's contents. Onto a spot check review, with a possible checkered flag win in this article's future. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 02:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
The Toyota returned to the track with ten minutes remaining, but fell to fourth as Buemi could not better its best timesupported by this source. I am reading the source and to me I am not getting the connection or maybe I am missing context.
The article is well written by the editor, with only minor grammar or sentence structure errors. A general manual of style is followed for the article. The article is referenced with a variety of reliable sources. The reference layout looks good, no major issues there. The article looks good in terms of spot checks, I have some questions that are above. Most of it might be racing jargon I am not personally knowledgeable of, if so or if you know if there are instances, then I would change them for the average spectator to understand. Copyright/plagiarism/close paraphrasing, Earwig seems good on the spotchecks as well. Most of what is highlighted is quotes or general words that are unavoidable for terminology's sake. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 22:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
The article presents a broad enough and focused perspective of the 2017 Le Mans iteration. The article is neutral in its content. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 02:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
The images are relevant to the article, and their paperwork looks to be in order. The article is stable, with no ongoing or active edit conflicts. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 19:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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This (currently very short) article mentions it will be the 85th running three times. Is this really necessary? -- Scjessey ( talk) 21:11, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
G-Drive's two car entry will be run by two different teams, the 22 will be the car from the ELMS run by Dragonspeed and the 26 the WEC car run by TDS. I am therefore wondering what the consensus is on splitting one team into two in order to highlight the fact that they are separate entities run under the same banner? Wesutf1 ( talk) 12:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
I think the entry list currently makes inappropriate use of colors. WP:COLOR clearly explains that we should not use colors as a means to convey information, simply because not everyone can see them. But even for a visually unimpaired person like myself it makes the table much more difficult to read. This should be addressed. T v x1 18:13, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Q: What happened to the 2017 Garage 56 entry? Were there entries that were not accepted? Why not? Is the ACO no longer doing the Garage 56 / New Technology entry thing? Dpep ( talk) 02:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to specifically identify provisional pole positions in each class? Surely only the leading overall qualifiers in each class is all the matters? -- Scjessey ( talk) 16:49, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
The intro makes great play of the fact that this was the first time an LMP2 car led the race. I've toned this down a bit, but I am still slightly concerned that there is undue weight given by including this fact in the lede. After all, it isn't the first time (far from it) that a second- or third-class car has led the race. Indeed, famously, the 1979 24 Hours of Le Mans race was actually won by a Group 5 'special production' car with the fastest prototype (nominally a 'higher' class of car) finishing only fourth. This smells a little of recentism to me, but I'd be interested in others' opinions. Pyrop e 21:18, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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As an American, the first time I heard about a 24-hour race was in Ford v Ferrari (lame, I know). I saw this on our GAN Drive table, and you know what, I kinda want to learn more. I will start this review and likely finish it either Friday, August 18 or Saturday, August 19. I might even finish today, depending. I am going to read up on race car policy and other good articles on races to get a feel of what this article should entail. In the meantime, start your engines! Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 21:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello, hello! For my reviews, the following are suggestions for grammar or sentence structure fixes to the prose during my first skim through of the article; for the editor-at-large. If you do not agree with a comment, think it is inappropriate for the text, or not proper, feel free to disregard with a comment:
The JMW Motorsport Ferrari 488 GTE shared Robert Smith, Will Stevens, and Dries Vanthoor won the Le Mans Grand Touring Endurance Amateur (LMGTE Am) class.Two things, possible missing word "by" before "Robert". I would add commas before "shared" and "won".
Derani, Priaulx and Tincknell stayed first in the GT World Endurance Drivers' Championship with Adam, Serra and Turner's category win moving them to second.I would suggest adding commas before "with" and "moving".
... the standards for car classification were changed.it might be worth noting who or what body changed the standards.
Failure to complete the race's final lap in under fifteen minutes no longer led a car ...Possible missing word "to" in front of "a".
The Le Man's ...?
The run-off area where the last right-hand turn goes into the left-hand corner which begins the Corvette corner was widened ...I would suggest adding commas before "which" and "corner".
Automatic invitations
When teams received invitations, they were allowed to cars (but not their category) ...Possible missing word "use" before "cars".
Entry list and reserves
In conjunction with the announcement of entries for the 2017 FIA WEC ..."announcing" instead of "the announcement of".
Two cars were initially named ...it might be worth to note who initially named to two cars.
Porsche remained slower than Toyota with their best lap coming from Bamber's No. 2 car ...Possible comma before "with".
Aston Martin led LMGTE Am with Pedro Lamy's 3-minutes 58.250-second ..."3-minutes" to "3-minute".
The session ended less than fifteen minutes early, when Roberto González's No. 25 Manor ...I would omit the comma here.
Roberto Lacorte slid the Cetilar Villorba Corse Dallara into the Mulsanne corner gravel trap, and abandoned the car.Delete comma here as these are not independent clauses (my acronym for later use; NIC) being linked together.
Due to a significant practise incident in the first Road to Le Mans race ...should be "practice" because it is a noun, not a verb.
Matthieu Vaxivière put TDS Racing's Oreca on provisional pole ...Possible missing word "the" in front of "provisional".
Jani and Bernhard in the two Porsches lapped quicker, and moved to second and third.I would remove the comma here, NIC.
... but Kobayashi's time was not bettered. Two things here. Comma before "but". "bettered" is awkward. Maybe "bested"?
Lapierre improved early on, and was fifthRemove comma here per NIC.
first-class?
All five manufacturers in LMGTE Pro were within a second of Turner's lap, with the fastest Ford in fifth courtesy of Ryan Briscoe; Antonio García sixth for Corvette ...Semi-colon to comma here?
Qualifying results
fourth fastest?
Briscoe's No. 69 Ford ...?
... made contact with the barriers before stopping in the gravel trap, and returned to the pit lane for repairs.I would delete comma, NIC.
Vincent Capillaire?
Start to evening
two and a half minutes?
Sørensen relinquished the LMGTE Pro lead to Daniel Serra's sister No. 97 Aston Martin, with the No. 67 Ford in second.I would add a comma before "No. 97".
Vaxivière unsettled the front of his TDS Racing Oreca while braking for the first Mulsanne chicane and moved left towards Pierre Kaffer's unseen No. 82 Risi Ferrari, which he was lapping in traffic.This could be a sentence that can be broken into two for clarity. It could look like:
... Mulsanne chicane. He moved left ...
Kaffer was unhurt, but a lengthy slow zone was imposed ...needs clarity as to who imposed the slow zone.
Night to dawn
Olivier Pla beached the No. 66 Ford at the left-hand ...I believe readers will read "beached" as Beaching (nautical). I would rephrase to another synonym.
No. 66 Ford was recovered ...
As a result, the car briefly caught fire, and Lapierre drove on hybrid power before being asked by his team ...
Nicolas Prost's No. 31 Rebellion Oreca car entered the garage for an inspection due to reported a gearbox problem"reported a" to "a reported".
... Emmanuel Collard crashed the No. 28 TDS Oreca into the tyre wall exiting the Porsche Curves at high of speed."high of speed" to "a high speed".
AF Courses' cars were caught out by the safety car's timing and brought into the pit lane ...
Morning to finish
The No. 95 Aston Martin relinquished the LMGTE Pro lead to Jordan Taylor's No. 63 Corvette which cycled to Makowiecki's No. 92 Porsche ...I would add a comma before "which".
Stanaway drove to the pit lane for quick repairs, and was relieved by ThiimRemove comma as NIC.
Adam's No. 97 Aston Martin attempted to pass Taylor's No. 63 ..., "attempted" could be "tried" as "attempting" appears in the sentence before.
per cent.
Alright, the article's prose are good at a skim through. Mostly grammar or commas or minor sentence structure issues. No major problems, but I will go onto the full read through after a break. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 19:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
After winning the 2017 iteration of Le Mans, Bamber, Bernhard and Hartley led the ...
On 4 June.
... Dunlop Curve's/Curves' gravel trap?
Negrão lost the No. 35 Signatech Alpine's hold on third overall to Piquet's No. 13 Rebellion car in the final hour when he slowly beached the Alpine in the gravel at Arnage corner while attempting to rejoin the circuitshould be changed.
Bamber, Bernhard, and Hartley ...same as per the lead issue highlighted above.
OK, the full read through did not present any problems for the article's contents. Onto a spot check review, with a possible checkered flag win in this article's future. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 02:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
The Toyota returned to the track with ten minutes remaining, but fell to fourth as Buemi could not better its best timesupported by this source. I am reading the source and to me I am not getting the connection or maybe I am missing context.
The article is well written by the editor, with only minor grammar or sentence structure errors. A general manual of style is followed for the article. The article is referenced with a variety of reliable sources. The reference layout looks good, no major issues there. The article looks good in terms of spot checks, I have some questions that are above. Most of it might be racing jargon I am not personally knowledgeable of, if so or if you know if there are instances, then I would change them for the average spectator to understand. Copyright/plagiarism/close paraphrasing, Earwig seems good on the spotchecks as well. Most of what is highlighted is quotes or general words that are unavoidable for terminology's sake. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 22:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
The article presents a broad enough and focused perspective of the 2017 Le Mans iteration. The article is neutral in its content. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 02:11, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
The images are relevant to the article, and their paperwork looks to be in order. The article is stable, with no ongoing or active edit conflicts. Adog ( Talk・ Cont) 19:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)