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As of 13.00 30/06/16 there is no leadership election. I appreciate that this could change, even within a few hours, but it seems a bit early to be doing this.
Just wanted to voice that. Thomas Triton ( talk) 12:19, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
This is not yet an event.
It is at the time of the article move / name change, a media speculation, hence the article move from
Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016
to
Speculated upon Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016.
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Yellowdesk (
talk)
15:12, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Crisis is very opinionated - there is not even a challenger yet, we need to report this in a neutral manner. Govindaharihari ( talk) 04:10, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Here's a few dictionary definitions of crisis ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crisis) A crucial or decisive point or situation; a turning point. An unstable situation, in political, social, economic or military affairs, especially one involving an impending abrupt change. A sudden change in the course of a disease, usually at which the patient is expected to recover or die. (psychology) A traumatic or stressful change in a person's life. (drama) A point in a drama at which a conflict reaches a peak before being resolved.
I think the current situation meets one or more of these definitions. Earthscent ( talk) 04:19, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
The Telegraph has a list of the 60 frontbench resignations as of 2 July, just in case it needs referencing somewhere. The article itself is unrelated, I just saw the list at the bottom and thought it'd be worth saving. [1] Since the article's publication, Fabian Hamilton's resignation on Monday was described as the 65th resignation the following day by The Guardian. [2] Therequiembellishere ( talk) 21:32, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
there are no declared leadership challengers - it is also worthy of its own header, please don't attempt to merge this fact, it's well worthy of primary focus..;
Please accept this as factual and don't remove it - Govindaharihari ( talk) 08:11, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
As this page is currently move protected until the end of August I think that it might be useful to establish a consensus that if Angela Eagle (or any other person) does formally challenge Corbyn for the leadership (as it appears will occur on Monday) that this page be moved to Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016. Showing some pre-move consensus would allow for an admin to unlock the page without worrying about the potential outbreak of perpetual page moves. Ebonelm ( talk) 00:29, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
There are conflicting media articles over the number of nominations needed for 20% of MPs+MEPs, some 50 but recently more saying 51. We need to decide what to do about this.
Doing news.google.co.uk search on '"angela eagle" "50 nominations"' shows up no WP:RS cites published today, and generally less WP:RS cites overall than '"angela eagle" "51 nominations"' which lists several WP:RS published today.
I cannot find a cite debating this issue in detail, but diving into some WP:OR the difference depends on the position taken on the 2 suspended but not expelled MPs, Simon Danczuk and Naz Shah; if they are excluded it reduces the number of MPs+MEPs from 251 to 249 (20% from 51 to 50). As is not unusual for it, the Labour rule book does not specifically address the issue of suspended MPs, but suspended ordinary members are not excluded from ballots (just meetings etc) so I would predict suspended MPs are not excluded. (See rulebook Chapter 4.I.3) Assuming suspended MPs are not excluded the electorate is:
Rwendland ( talk) 18:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
″There is, however, conflicting legal advice from the party's lawyers, GRM Law, that the incumbent is still required to secure the 50 nominations in order to appear on the ballot.[30] ″ The cited reference http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-legal-advice-automatically-on-ballot-leadership-challenge_uk_577003cfe4b0d2571149d42a makes no mention of GRM law. Tomxcoady ( talk) 10:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
With Eagle now declared, shall we move this article (back) to the "... leadership election" article title? Bondegezou ( talk) 11:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Iain McNicol, the General Secretary of the Labour Party, has officially confirmed that a contest will take place now that Eagle has the 50 nominations. Sceptre ( talk) 12:56, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Move as per Timrollpickering Red Jay ( talk) 17:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Wait until the election process is formalised, presumably by the Labour Party NEC this week. There is no rush. A day is a long time in politics - at present, an hour is a long time in politics - and who knows what may happen before an election process is formally triggered.
Ghmyrtle (
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18:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Move. There will undoubtedly be a leadership election, so that provides good reason for this page to be moved. TedEdwards ( talk) 20:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Move since as far as we currently know, there is going to be a leadership election. Both candidates have clearly (for now!) said it's all go; and also I really feel like "crisis" is hardly NPOV! DBD 23:31, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Move per above. An election has been called and will be contested. Mattythewhite ( talk) 12:56, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Move. The election is now going to be held (with the timetable being confirmed), with three candidates having already announced their will to contest it. Impru20 ( talk) 13:32, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
After reading the above, I will be moving the page to Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016 in a couple hours unless there are further objections. -- NeilN talk to me 16:11, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Move. However we should be cautious that information is not deleted from the background section of the new article, as I think this current would probably form an article on its own. Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 16:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Done --
NeilN
talk to me
18:05, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Gonna throw this out to the talk page: we know there will be a leadership election before Labour conference this September. However, there is currently only one candidate that has enough nominations to appear on the ballot: Angela Eagle. I personally believe that we should leave Corbyn out of the infobox until the NEC meeting tomorrow makes a decision on whether he needs the nominations – and, if he does, leave him out until he has enough to appear on the ballot. What are everyone else's views on this? Sceptre ( talk) 23:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Undoing my edit with the comment that you are fixing a paragraph is disingenuous Brucejoel99. On another topic, however, if Corbyn will be required to get nominations to be on the ballot, he will need 51, according to numerous articles, not 50. Here are just a few sources that confirm it. (I do not really want to numerous citations for this point in the article.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/angela-eagle-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-theresa-may/ www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36770627 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/no-deal-is-possible-between-jeremy-corbyn-and-his-enemies-labour/ http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-11/corbyn-does-not-need-signatures-for-leadership-nomination/ http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/11/corbyn-supporters-protest-over-labour-nec-meeting http://www.thejournal.ie/labour-corbyn-row-2873946-Jul2016/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labours-nec-facing-legal-threat-of-jeremy-corbyn-s-inclusion-on-the-leadership-ballot-a7132166.html Peter K Burian ( talk) 15:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
www.theguardian.com › Politics › Labour party leadership 2 hours ago - Jeremy Corbyn should be put on the ballot paper without winning the support of at least 51 of ... Peter K Burian ( talk) 22:05, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
... is at this. Bondegezou ( talk) 21:46, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
This is currently trending on Facebook. Brighton and Hove Labour party (pro-Corbyn) has been suspended by the NEC of the Labour Party. The results of an election of executive members of the B&H Labour Party have been annulled. This should probably be in the article, and may warrant a stand-alone article as things develop. Mjroots ( talk) 06:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
User:Ghmyrtle or others, what's the problem with noting that Maria Eagle is Angela's (twin) sister in the endorsements list? When Jo Johnson is listed in the endorsements for Conservative Party (UK) leadership election, 2016, it mentions he is Boris's brother, so why not the same here? I would have thought that it's a notable fact to include. Bondegezou ( talk) 12:29, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
We now have a separate endorsements article, so what endorsements should remain here? I think we should list very little here, maybe just a summary saying "most MPs support Smith, most CLPs support Corbyn". That said, what this article includes but the endorsements article doesn't is the historical record of who endorsed Eagle before she dropped out -- that should be preserved somewhere. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:53, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
The Corbyn photo used in this article had been colourised from the original, so his face is somewhat redder and darker and his jacket colour is a touch blown out - the intent I believe was to have a "stronger" photo. I'd prefer to go back to the original colourisation, as a more genuine portrayal. What is the consensus? Rwendland ( talk) 09:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
The YouGov poll from 25-29 Aug is reported as 62-38 to Corbyn, and that's what is summary of the PDF that contains the raw data, but the pollsters themselves point out that this result omits the "Don't know" answers. If they are included, the JC-OS-DK preference breaks down to 57-35-8. Shouldn't this be included in a separate row to reflect that. Especially now that there is talk of a greater landslide to JC, being as accurate as possible cannot hurt.
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As of 13.00 30/06/16 there is no leadership election. I appreciate that this could change, even within a few hours, but it seems a bit early to be doing this.
Just wanted to voice that. Thomas Triton ( talk) 12:19, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
This is not yet an event.
It is at the time of the article move / name change, a media speculation, hence the article move from
Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016
to
Speculated upon Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016.
--
Yellowdesk (
talk)
15:12, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Crisis is very opinionated - there is not even a challenger yet, we need to report this in a neutral manner. Govindaharihari ( talk) 04:10, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Here's a few dictionary definitions of crisis ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crisis) A crucial or decisive point or situation; a turning point. An unstable situation, in political, social, economic or military affairs, especially one involving an impending abrupt change. A sudden change in the course of a disease, usually at which the patient is expected to recover or die. (psychology) A traumatic or stressful change in a person's life. (drama) A point in a drama at which a conflict reaches a peak before being resolved.
I think the current situation meets one or more of these definitions. Earthscent ( talk) 04:19, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
The Telegraph has a list of the 60 frontbench resignations as of 2 July, just in case it needs referencing somewhere. The article itself is unrelated, I just saw the list at the bottom and thought it'd be worth saving. [1] Since the article's publication, Fabian Hamilton's resignation on Monday was described as the 65th resignation the following day by The Guardian. [2] Therequiembellishere ( talk) 21:32, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
there are no declared leadership challengers - it is also worthy of its own header, please don't attempt to merge this fact, it's well worthy of primary focus..;
Please accept this as factual and don't remove it - Govindaharihari ( talk) 08:11, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
As this page is currently move protected until the end of August I think that it might be useful to establish a consensus that if Angela Eagle (or any other person) does formally challenge Corbyn for the leadership (as it appears will occur on Monday) that this page be moved to Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016. Showing some pre-move consensus would allow for an admin to unlock the page without worrying about the potential outbreak of perpetual page moves. Ebonelm ( talk) 00:29, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
There are conflicting media articles over the number of nominations needed for 20% of MPs+MEPs, some 50 but recently more saying 51. We need to decide what to do about this.
Doing news.google.co.uk search on '"angela eagle" "50 nominations"' shows up no WP:RS cites published today, and generally less WP:RS cites overall than '"angela eagle" "51 nominations"' which lists several WP:RS published today.
I cannot find a cite debating this issue in detail, but diving into some WP:OR the difference depends on the position taken on the 2 suspended but not expelled MPs, Simon Danczuk and Naz Shah; if they are excluded it reduces the number of MPs+MEPs from 251 to 249 (20% from 51 to 50). As is not unusual for it, the Labour rule book does not specifically address the issue of suspended MPs, but suspended ordinary members are not excluded from ballots (just meetings etc) so I would predict suspended MPs are not excluded. (See rulebook Chapter 4.I.3) Assuming suspended MPs are not excluded the electorate is:
Rwendland ( talk) 18:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
″There is, however, conflicting legal advice from the party's lawyers, GRM Law, that the incumbent is still required to secure the 50 nominations in order to appear on the ballot.[30] ″ The cited reference http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-legal-advice-automatically-on-ballot-leadership-challenge_uk_577003cfe4b0d2571149d42a makes no mention of GRM law. Tomxcoady ( talk) 10:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
With Eagle now declared, shall we move this article (back) to the "... leadership election" article title? Bondegezou ( talk) 11:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Iain McNicol, the General Secretary of the Labour Party, has officially confirmed that a contest will take place now that Eagle has the 50 nominations. Sceptre ( talk) 12:56, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Move as per Timrollpickering Red Jay ( talk) 17:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Wait until the election process is formalised, presumably by the Labour Party NEC this week. There is no rush. A day is a long time in politics - at present, an hour is a long time in politics - and who knows what may happen before an election process is formally triggered.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
18:22, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Move. There will undoubtedly be a leadership election, so that provides good reason for this page to be moved. TedEdwards ( talk) 20:07, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Move since as far as we currently know, there is going to be a leadership election. Both candidates have clearly (for now!) said it's all go; and also I really feel like "crisis" is hardly NPOV! DBD 23:31, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Move per above. An election has been called and will be contested. Mattythewhite ( talk) 12:56, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Move. The election is now going to be held (with the timetable being confirmed), with three candidates having already announced their will to contest it. Impru20 ( talk) 13:32, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
After reading the above, I will be moving the page to Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016 in a couple hours unless there are further objections. -- NeilN talk to me 16:11, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Move. However we should be cautious that information is not deleted from the background section of the new article, as I think this current would probably form an article on its own. Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 16:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Done --
NeilN
talk to me
18:05, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Gonna throw this out to the talk page: we know there will be a leadership election before Labour conference this September. However, there is currently only one candidate that has enough nominations to appear on the ballot: Angela Eagle. I personally believe that we should leave Corbyn out of the infobox until the NEC meeting tomorrow makes a decision on whether he needs the nominations – and, if he does, leave him out until he has enough to appear on the ballot. What are everyone else's views on this? Sceptre ( talk) 23:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Undoing my edit with the comment that you are fixing a paragraph is disingenuous Brucejoel99. On another topic, however, if Corbyn will be required to get nominations to be on the ballot, he will need 51, according to numerous articles, not 50. Here are just a few sources that confirm it. (I do not really want to numerous citations for this point in the article.)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/angela-eagle-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-theresa-may/ www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36770627 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/no-deal-is-possible-between-jeremy-corbyn-and-his-enemies-labour/ http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-07-11/corbyn-does-not-need-signatures-for-leadership-nomination/ http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/11/corbyn-supporters-protest-over-labour-nec-meeting http://www.thejournal.ie/labour-corbyn-row-2873946-Jul2016/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labours-nec-facing-legal-threat-of-jeremy-corbyn-s-inclusion-on-the-leadership-ballot-a7132166.html Peter K Burian ( talk) 15:25, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
www.theguardian.com › Politics › Labour party leadership 2 hours ago - Jeremy Corbyn should be put on the ballot paper without winning the support of at least 51 of ... Peter K Burian ( talk) 22:05, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
... is at this. Bondegezou ( talk) 21:46, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
This is currently trending on Facebook. Brighton and Hove Labour party (pro-Corbyn) has been suspended by the NEC of the Labour Party. The results of an election of executive members of the B&H Labour Party have been annulled. This should probably be in the article, and may warrant a stand-alone article as things develop. Mjroots ( talk) 06:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
User:Ghmyrtle or others, what's the problem with noting that Maria Eagle is Angela's (twin) sister in the endorsements list? When Jo Johnson is listed in the endorsements for Conservative Party (UK) leadership election, 2016, it mentions he is Boris's brother, so why not the same here? I would have thought that it's a notable fact to include. Bondegezou ( talk) 12:29, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
We now have a separate endorsements article, so what endorsements should remain here? I think we should list very little here, maybe just a summary saying "most MPs support Smith, most CLPs support Corbyn". That said, what this article includes but the endorsements article doesn't is the historical record of who endorsed Eagle before she dropped out -- that should be preserved somewhere. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:53, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
The Corbyn photo used in this article had been colourised from the original, so his face is somewhat redder and darker and his jacket colour is a touch blown out - the intent I believe was to have a "stronger" photo. I'd prefer to go back to the original colourisation, as a more genuine portrayal. What is the consensus? Rwendland ( talk) 09:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
The YouGov poll from 25-29 Aug is reported as 62-38 to Corbyn, and that's what is summary of the PDF that contains the raw data, but the pollsters themselves point out that this result omits the "Don't know" answers. If they are included, the JC-OS-DK preference breaks down to 57-35-8. Shouldn't this be included in a separate row to reflect that. Especially now that there is talk of a greater landslide to JC, being as accurate as possible cannot hurt.
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