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The article currently divides people into "Publicly expressed interest", "Potential" and "Declined", but these are very fluid categories and I am concerned that, by imposing structure, we are editorialising and not representing reality. For example, Michael Gove may have once declined in 2012, but how relevant is that now in 2016 when people are speculating that he has a good chance: see [1]? Saying something to a newspaper in 2012 means nothing, in effect. I suggest less attempting to categorise people and more free text where issues are discussed. If we are to list runners and riders, so to speak, let's do so based on a recent reliable source rather than constructing a list ourselves. Bondegezou ( talk) 16:53, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
It should be noted that the new leader might not necessarily become the next Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is whoever can command a majority in the commons not necessarily the leader of the largest party. There is a plausible scenario where there is a leadership election 6 months before the general election with whoever wins allowing Cameron to see out the final months of his term (he has said he'd serve a full second term) and the new leader focused on their own election campaign for 2020, not unlike an outgoing US President. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.87.154.155 ( talk) 10:45, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Lot of speculation about candidates here but nothing about the rules. Who's eligible to run? Who's eligible to vote? Are there any thresholds for election/voting? Who's responsible for overseeing the contest? etc etc Jatrius ( talk) 14:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Why are people screwing around with this page? Removing candidates, adding stuff which is just nonsensical? Extremely frustrating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.50.89 ( talk) 23:59, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
I think this article is problematic. The lists of people who have publicly expressed interested or declined are often based on old citations. What someone said 9 months ago, before the referendum, before Cameron resigned, is of limited relevance now. So, for example, current media reports would suggest that Justine Greening is not a likely candidate, but we have her prominently displayed because of an article from 3 Oct 2015. We should follow what reliable sources are reporting now. Bondegezou ( talk) 08:49, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
The margins of error in the opinion polling table are wrong: you can't have the same margin of error for 2,000 residents and for 400 voters. The smaller sample will have a larger margin of error, following an inverse square root rule. Bondegezou ( talk) 09:31, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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Why display endorsements for a candidate who has not confirmed they are standing? 86.135.5.172 ( talk) 12:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree with this- many people are going to be using this page as a source in the coming weeks, so let's make sure it's crystal clear who has confirmed they are standing and who hasn't.
QUOTE: The deadline for nominations will come on Thursday at noon, with Boris Johnson, Theresa May and Dr Liam Fox among those also expected to run in the contest. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-labour-angela-eagle-david-cameron-eu-brexit/ Peter K Burian ( talk) 18:03, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
A useful article http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/justine-greening-and-mike-penning-back-theresa-mays-bid-for-tory-leadership-a3283721.html
In a boost to Mrs May, Cabinet minister Justine Greening - one of Boris’s closest friends in the battle to stop a third runway - swung behind her, hailing her “professionalism and steel”. Mr Johnson looks set to have at least 100 backers - and was cheered by over 100 Leave campaign MPs at a private meeting held in Westminster.
And in another coup, Justice Minister Mike Penning - a former top aide to Iain Duncan Smith and committed Brexiteer - said he would back her over Boris because she was “tough and experienced”. Peter K Burian ( talk) 16:36, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
The new BBC citation that I added is more specific to the Conservative leadership http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36640889 and does not include a discussion of Corbyn, etc. as the previous citation did.
Why would someone have undone my revision?? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36640889 is a solid citation that works well and is specific to the topic. Let's not start an edit war. Peter K Burian ( talk) 17:31, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
"Ebonelm (Undid revision 727543655 by Peter K Burian (talk) announcement takes place after election is finished)"
Well, right now your chart never mentions a word about the actual election. They send out ballots. Then they announce the winner. Surely between those two steps there is an election where members cast their ballots!
5 July 2016 – The first ballot is held by the Parliamentary Party. 7 July 2016 – A second ballot, if required, is held. Should further ballots be required, they will take place on alternate Tuesdays and Thursdays.
8 September 2016 – Closing date for the postal ballot. 9 September 2016 – New leader announced. BUT WHEN WAS THE ACTUAL ELECTION? Peter K Burian ( talk) 20:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Peter K Burian, firstly its when is not when was. As more than one candidate has declared their candidacy the election will be put to the full Conservative party membership by postal ballot. As it looks like more than two candidates the parliamentary party will first have a series of voting rounds to whittle this number down to two, as only two candidates can go to the membership vote. All these round are part of the election. And as the membership vote is a postal ballot there isn't an election 'day' so to speak of. But as the article which you have quoted makes abundantly clear the postal ballots must be returned by 8 September. Ebonelm ( talk) 00:03, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
It is extremely frustrating that some editors are removing some hard researched sources in regards to Ruth Davidson in regards to her being a totued candidate and her position in regards to Stephen Crabb. Firstly, removing Davidson from the list of declined candidates is utterly foolish. For the last year or so, Davidson has been talked about by several media sources as a possible replacement to David Cameron. Why remove that? I could find more than 10 hinting at Davidson being in that position. Moreover, there is nothing in rules of the leadership of the Conservative Party that prevents non-MPs from standing. It is just a case of having support from members of the parliamentary party and finding a seat. Of course, it wouldn't be practicable for a non-MP to stand for the leadership of the Conservative Party BUT there's nothing preventing it from happening and therefore shouldn't be removed. There's no need to remove unsourced material like that - in fact it's plain rude. Additionally, Davidson has made it clear on several ocassions (very publicly) that she supports Stephen Crabb to succeed David Cameron. I could find two videos where she endorses him and several quotes (even look at her Twitter). Ruth. Davidson. Is. Supporting. Stephen. Crabb. So again, stop removing well-sourced information like that. No need to be annoying.-- Cindy's Cafe ( talk) 23:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
She does not have much of a chance but she is a potential candidate, according to a respected newspaper, The Telegraph; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/conservative-leadership-election-runners-and-riders/ When someone deletes fully cited content, I re-do it and start a Talk topic explaining why and asking that the other editor not start an Edit War. Peter K Burian ( talk) 23:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC) I agree that Ruth Davidson should be in the article, after all, in the Labour leadership election, 2015 page David Miliband is listed as a "declined candidate" while he was living in the United States and not a member of any UK political body. Further, Davidson is listed on polls that are on this page, including 24-25 June 2016. Davidson should be re-added and remain listed as a "declined" candidate; especially since she appears on polls on this page. Fritz1543 ( talk) 22:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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I don't think opt-in polling should be shown. To start with, by its very nature it is not accurate because it is self-selecting. Secondly, and probably more importantly, the polls themselves are not reported, someone has just taken the figure at the time when they saw the quiz, so I would say this is WP:OR Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 07:00, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't understand the black and white thinking behind the edits to Louise Mensch's nuanced/inconsistent positions, she can endorse a candidate yet still hold the opinion that her "money is on" another. Lacunae ( talk) 20:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
We've got two differing sets of numbers of MPs supporting each candidate: in the table and in the endorsements lists. Neither agrees with the latest BBC figures here. This is not good. I suggest, as per practice on some US election articles, we don't add up our own endorsement list and base the figures in the table on reliable sources. Bondegezou ( talk) 14:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Would someone please put the words "non-legally binding" back into the first block of text of the article for me? The automatic bot thing deleted it because it's stupid algorithm thought the information was wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.4.49 ( talk) 05:07, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
I understand the logic of the current infobox, but it's really big and wide now. I'm on an iPad right now and it squishes all the text up. Infoboxes are meant to be compact. Election article infoboxes in multi-stage elections often just show the candidates in the final round: look at the recent Austrian Presidential election for example. Other election articles just show the top vote getters: see the London mayoral election article for this year.
I don't think Crabb or Fox's role in this election is particularly noteworthy such that it has to be in the Infobox. Boris's non-involvement is a bigger part of the story than Fox's involvement! So why not just have a compact infobox with May and Leadsom, the final two? Bondegezou ( talk) 07:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Former leadership candidate Crabb has been caught in a sexting scandal. While this has emerged shortly after his exit from the campaign, it is being reported in the context of the campaign and is fallout from his candidacy, so I have included it in this article. User:Absolutelypuremilk disagrees. What do others think?
Articles on the topic include: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] Bondegezou ( talk) 09:33, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
The introduction is currently six paragraphs long. Though MOS:LEAD can be treated with common sense, the lead is a tad too long for readers to introduce the replacement election. The guideline says normally no more than four paragraphs. As the election is very recent, I don't see an exception to the four-paragraph rule, unlike Napoleon, which has more than four currently. George Ho ( talk) 18:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I deleted two paragraphs which were now of only vague interest to get it down to 4 paragraphs. Peter K Burian ( talk) 18:11, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I think the Boris story is important (if brief) but does not belong in the lede. The body of the article needs more sub-heads (topics); too much of this article is charts and dates. IMHO. Peter K Burian ( talk) 12:57, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Right now, Paul, Bondegezou, and Peter, I am unsure whether mentioning Johnson in the lead is necessary anymore. If so, Boris is appointed Secretary of Foreign Affairs, so the update must be added in the article to reflect that. Otherwise, I think about re-removing it... unless Boris quickly turns down the offer. -- George Ho ( talk) 19:03, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I see someone's already done this, but I've just finished work on a draft lead which attempts to put everything in order so thought I'd post it here anyway for feedback:
Thanks, This is Paul ( talk) 17:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
If you wish to change the layout of the infobox, talk here before making any changes to the infobox. At the moment, the layout is 3 on the top, 2 on the bottom, but this layout is disputed by some users. TedEdwards ( talk) 08:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a conversation going on here about whether or not candidates' ages should be included. Prcc27🎃 ( talk) 04:52, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
I am not sure this should be in Category:Uncontested elections. Although Andrea Leadsom withdrew before the vote of the membership, the two earlier rounds among the MPs certainly were contested. Thus this is not the same as the 2003 Conservative Party leadership election which is also in this category. I would appreciate the views of other editors. Dunarc ( talk) 22:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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The article currently divides people into "Publicly expressed interest", "Potential" and "Declined", but these are very fluid categories and I am concerned that, by imposing structure, we are editorialising and not representing reality. For example, Michael Gove may have once declined in 2012, but how relevant is that now in 2016 when people are speculating that he has a good chance: see [1]? Saying something to a newspaper in 2012 means nothing, in effect. I suggest less attempting to categorise people and more free text where issues are discussed. If we are to list runners and riders, so to speak, let's do so based on a recent reliable source rather than constructing a list ourselves. Bondegezou ( talk) 16:53, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
It should be noted that the new leader might not necessarily become the next Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is whoever can command a majority in the commons not necessarily the leader of the largest party. There is a plausible scenario where there is a leadership election 6 months before the general election with whoever wins allowing Cameron to see out the final months of his term (he has said he'd serve a full second term) and the new leader focused on their own election campaign for 2020, not unlike an outgoing US President. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.87.154.155 ( talk) 10:45, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Lot of speculation about candidates here but nothing about the rules. Who's eligible to run? Who's eligible to vote? Are there any thresholds for election/voting? Who's responsible for overseeing the contest? etc etc Jatrius ( talk) 14:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Why are people screwing around with this page? Removing candidates, adding stuff which is just nonsensical? Extremely frustrating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.50.89 ( talk) 23:59, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
I think this article is problematic. The lists of people who have publicly expressed interested or declined are often based on old citations. What someone said 9 months ago, before the referendum, before Cameron resigned, is of limited relevance now. So, for example, current media reports would suggest that Justine Greening is not a likely candidate, but we have her prominently displayed because of an article from 3 Oct 2015. We should follow what reliable sources are reporting now. Bondegezou ( talk) 08:49, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
The margins of error in the opinion polling table are wrong: you can't have the same margin of error for 2,000 residents and for 400 voters. The smaller sample will have a larger margin of error, following an inverse square root rule. Bondegezou ( talk) 09:31, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
References
Why display endorsements for a candidate who has not confirmed they are standing? 86.135.5.172 ( talk) 12:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree with this- many people are going to be using this page as a source in the coming weeks, so let's make sure it's crystal clear who has confirmed they are standing and who hasn't.
QUOTE: The deadline for nominations will come on Thursday at noon, with Boris Johnson, Theresa May and Dr Liam Fox among those also expected to run in the contest. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/29/jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-labour-angela-eagle-david-cameron-eu-brexit/ Peter K Burian ( talk) 18:03, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
A useful article http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/justine-greening-and-mike-penning-back-theresa-mays-bid-for-tory-leadership-a3283721.html
In a boost to Mrs May, Cabinet minister Justine Greening - one of Boris’s closest friends in the battle to stop a third runway - swung behind her, hailing her “professionalism and steel”. Mr Johnson looks set to have at least 100 backers - and was cheered by over 100 Leave campaign MPs at a private meeting held in Westminster.
And in another coup, Justice Minister Mike Penning - a former top aide to Iain Duncan Smith and committed Brexiteer - said he would back her over Boris because she was “tough and experienced”. Peter K Burian ( talk) 16:36, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
The new BBC citation that I added is more specific to the Conservative leadership http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36640889 and does not include a discussion of Corbyn, etc. as the previous citation did.
Why would someone have undone my revision?? http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36640889 is a solid citation that works well and is specific to the topic. Let's not start an edit war. Peter K Burian ( talk) 17:31, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
"Ebonelm (Undid revision 727543655 by Peter K Burian (talk) announcement takes place after election is finished)"
Well, right now your chart never mentions a word about the actual election. They send out ballots. Then they announce the winner. Surely between those two steps there is an election where members cast their ballots!
5 July 2016 – The first ballot is held by the Parliamentary Party. 7 July 2016 – A second ballot, if required, is held. Should further ballots be required, they will take place on alternate Tuesdays and Thursdays.
8 September 2016 – Closing date for the postal ballot. 9 September 2016 – New leader announced. BUT WHEN WAS THE ACTUAL ELECTION? Peter K Burian ( talk) 20:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Peter K Burian, firstly its when is not when was. As more than one candidate has declared their candidacy the election will be put to the full Conservative party membership by postal ballot. As it looks like more than two candidates the parliamentary party will first have a series of voting rounds to whittle this number down to two, as only two candidates can go to the membership vote. All these round are part of the election. And as the membership vote is a postal ballot there isn't an election 'day' so to speak of. But as the article which you have quoted makes abundantly clear the postal ballots must be returned by 8 September. Ebonelm ( talk) 00:03, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
It is extremely frustrating that some editors are removing some hard researched sources in regards to Ruth Davidson in regards to her being a totued candidate and her position in regards to Stephen Crabb. Firstly, removing Davidson from the list of declined candidates is utterly foolish. For the last year or so, Davidson has been talked about by several media sources as a possible replacement to David Cameron. Why remove that? I could find more than 10 hinting at Davidson being in that position. Moreover, there is nothing in rules of the leadership of the Conservative Party that prevents non-MPs from standing. It is just a case of having support from members of the parliamentary party and finding a seat. Of course, it wouldn't be practicable for a non-MP to stand for the leadership of the Conservative Party BUT there's nothing preventing it from happening and therefore shouldn't be removed. There's no need to remove unsourced material like that - in fact it's plain rude. Additionally, Davidson has made it clear on several ocassions (very publicly) that she supports Stephen Crabb to succeed David Cameron. I could find two videos where she endorses him and several quotes (even look at her Twitter). Ruth. Davidson. Is. Supporting. Stephen. Crabb. So again, stop removing well-sourced information like that. No need to be annoying.-- Cindy's Cafe ( talk) 23:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
She does not have much of a chance but she is a potential candidate, according to a respected newspaper, The Telegraph; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/28/conservative-leadership-election-runners-and-riders/ When someone deletes fully cited content, I re-do it and start a Talk topic explaining why and asking that the other editor not start an Edit War. Peter K Burian ( talk) 23:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC) I agree that Ruth Davidson should be in the article, after all, in the Labour leadership election, 2015 page David Miliband is listed as a "declined candidate" while he was living in the United States and not a member of any UK political body. Further, Davidson is listed on polls that are on this page, including 24-25 June 2016. Davidson should be re-added and remain listed as a "declined" candidate; especially since she appears on polls on this page. Fritz1543 ( talk) 22:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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I don't think opt-in polling should be shown. To start with, by its very nature it is not accurate because it is self-selecting. Secondly, and probably more importantly, the polls themselves are not reported, someone has just taken the figure at the time when they saw the quiz, so I would say this is WP:OR Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 07:00, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I don't understand the black and white thinking behind the edits to Louise Mensch's nuanced/inconsistent positions, she can endorse a candidate yet still hold the opinion that her "money is on" another. Lacunae ( talk) 20:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
We've got two differing sets of numbers of MPs supporting each candidate: in the table and in the endorsements lists. Neither agrees with the latest BBC figures here. This is not good. I suggest, as per practice on some US election articles, we don't add up our own endorsement list and base the figures in the table on reliable sources. Bondegezou ( talk) 14:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Would someone please put the words "non-legally binding" back into the first block of text of the article for me? The automatic bot thing deleted it because it's stupid algorithm thought the information was wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.4.49 ( talk) 05:07, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
I understand the logic of the current infobox, but it's really big and wide now. I'm on an iPad right now and it squishes all the text up. Infoboxes are meant to be compact. Election article infoboxes in multi-stage elections often just show the candidates in the final round: look at the recent Austrian Presidential election for example. Other election articles just show the top vote getters: see the London mayoral election article for this year.
I don't think Crabb or Fox's role in this election is particularly noteworthy such that it has to be in the Infobox. Boris's non-involvement is a bigger part of the story than Fox's involvement! So why not just have a compact infobox with May and Leadsom, the final two? Bondegezou ( talk) 07:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Former leadership candidate Crabb has been caught in a sexting scandal. While this has emerged shortly after his exit from the campaign, it is being reported in the context of the campaign and is fallout from his candidacy, so I have included it in this article. User:Absolutelypuremilk disagrees. What do others think?
Articles on the topic include: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8] Bondegezou ( talk) 09:33, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
The introduction is currently six paragraphs long. Though MOS:LEAD can be treated with common sense, the lead is a tad too long for readers to introduce the replacement election. The guideline says normally no more than four paragraphs. As the election is very recent, I don't see an exception to the four-paragraph rule, unlike Napoleon, which has more than four currently. George Ho ( talk) 18:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I deleted two paragraphs which were now of only vague interest to get it down to 4 paragraphs. Peter K Burian ( talk) 18:11, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
I think the Boris story is important (if brief) but does not belong in the lede. The body of the article needs more sub-heads (topics); too much of this article is charts and dates. IMHO. Peter K Burian ( talk) 12:57, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Right now, Paul, Bondegezou, and Peter, I am unsure whether mentioning Johnson in the lead is necessary anymore. If so, Boris is appointed Secretary of Foreign Affairs, so the update must be added in the article to reflect that. Otherwise, I think about re-removing it... unless Boris quickly turns down the offer. -- George Ho ( talk) 19:03, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I see someone's already done this, but I've just finished work on a draft lead which attempts to put everything in order so thought I'd post it here anyway for feedback:
Thanks, This is Paul ( talk) 17:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
If you wish to change the layout of the infobox, talk here before making any changes to the infobox. At the moment, the layout is 3 on the top, 2 on the bottom, but this layout is disputed by some users. TedEdwards ( talk) 08:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
There is currently a conversation going on here about whether or not candidates' ages should be included. Prcc27🎃 ( talk) 04:52, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
I am not sure this should be in Category:Uncontested elections. Although Andrea Leadsom withdrew before the vote of the membership, the two earlier rounds among the MPs certainly were contested. Thus this is not the same as the 2003 Conservative Party leadership election which is also in this category. I would appreciate the views of other editors. Dunarc ( talk) 22:53, 25 October 2022 (UTC)