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Where was this information obtained? Bibi had 31 seats in 2013 (as likud - yisrael beitenu) & 27 in 2009 (as likud). This would mean a gain of 3 (generous) or a loss of 1 (more realistic).. Ferociouslettuce ( talk) 18:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
user:Jeppiz has undid an edit I made detailing the extension given by Rivlin to Netanyahu (May 6) as well as a hurdle that Likud will have to overcome (distrust by Kulanu) in forming government. It is certainly more relevant than Kahlon saying he would reach a decision after the votes are counted, which Would be WP:NOTNEWS ..
Ferociouslettuce ( talk) 16:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
As per Wikipedia guidance, can I remind all editors that it can be more productive to focus on edits than on editors. Sentences beginning "You..." may not be very helpful. Rather focus on the edit under question: "This edit is..." Bondegezou ( talk) 20:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Ferociouslettuce ( talk) 21:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
There is no confirmation yet whether Kahlon will launch a party, and it has only figured in three of the 30 or so polls used here. As a result, I think it should be removed for the time being, and maybe replaced if and when he does launch a party. Thoughts? Number 5 7 15:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Bibi just gave up. ALL the Israeli newspapers have announced that the Knesset will be dissolved next week. [1] If you want to change it next week after the vote (hey, you never know, right?), that's fine, but we've got to start working on the assumption that it's going to happen. Ericl ( talk) 15:39, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Yup, basically in the polls there should always be a "last election" tab on the top for comparison. 105.155.8.214 ( talk) 10:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay, the following is rather blatantly WP:OR, but I don't know what Wikipedia's policy is in a case in which the media reports are obviously mathematically wrong. Because 3.25% is equal to 3.9 seats, it is *very* difficult for a party not to get four seats yet still make it into the Knesset. But it's easy to construct scenarios in which this happens. For instance: Party 1 gets 8126 votes. Party 2 gets 1549 votes. Party 3 gets 325 votes. The total number of votes is 10000, so it's trivial to determine that the threshold is 325 votes, meaning all three parties are in the Knesset. Under the seat allocation system, party 1 gets 99 seats, party 2 gets 18 seats, and party 3 gets 3 seats. Not 4. In fact, Party 3 wouldn't even be next in line to get a seat - Party 2 has 81.52 votes per seat were it to get 19 seats, and Party 1 has 81.26 votes per seat were it to get 100. Party 3's claim to its next seat is only 81.25 votes per seat.
I've constructed similar scenarios with up to 24 different parties. So the idea that the minimum number of seats is 4 is very obviously wrong. Kimpire ( talk) 19:14, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
You don't even need three parties. Two parties, one with 9675 votes and one with 325 votes. Total of 10000, so both cross the threshold, but Party 1 gets 117 seats and Party 2 gets only 3. In fact, were you to add seats to the Knesset, Party 1 would get 119 seats before Party 2 would get its fourth. Kimpire ( talk) 19:27, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Does the above fall under "Routine calculations"? Addition and division are very routine, but verifying that these particular additions and divisions are correct under the D'Hondt voting system may not be. Kimpire ( talk) 19:21, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
The lists that have passed the qualifying threshold receive a number of Knesset seats which is propotional to their electoral strength. This is done by the division of valid votes given to the lists which passed the qualifying threshold, by 120, in order to determine how many votes entitle a list to a single seat... the excess votes are distributed to the lists with the largest number of voters per seat - a method known in the world as Hagenbach-Bischoff (de-Hondt), and is known in Israel as the Bader-Ofer method - named after MKs Yohanan Bader (Gahal) and Avraham Ofer (Alignment) who proposed its adoption.
For each list a "list index" will be determined by dividing the number of valid ballots the list received by the number of mandates it won according to subsection c plus one.(translation and emphasis mine). So the minimum seats is, in fact, 3. However, given that it is widely expected to be 4, we can choose a phrasing that reflects this: "The smallest seat-winning party is expected to win no less than four seats"; this clarifies it is an expectation, not a mathematical fact. Rami R 12:49, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I created a simulator program (available at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_-9LT-D7RH0UUw4UnZDZGxNSTQ/view) that randomly selects 10 parties' vote totals and gives an 11th party anywhere between 3.25% and 3.33% of the vote. (11 parties are expected to make it into the Knesset, with one of those being the at-the-threshold Yachad party. 3.25% is the threshold; 3.33% gives you a fourth seat no matter what. In between those two is where the dispute arises.)
After running several million simulations, it seems that a party that crosses the threshold but doesn't outright deserve a fourth seat gets the fourth seat anyway ~99.98336% of the time. ~0.01664% of the time it stays at three seats. So the three-seat minimum really is very theoretical - only one out of 6000 parties that qualify for it will actually get it, and the rest will get four seats. Kimpire ( talk) 16:37, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
If as many as 2.5% of the votes end up going to lists which don't pass the threashhold, then a party just barely passing would get 4 seats. Between the fact that the number of votes to such parties will undoubtedly be over double that number, and the fact that all Israelli sources say 4 seats, I think we can also say so without being OR. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Why we don´t make a normal infobox 83.80.208.22 ( talk) 13:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
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The parties submitted their full lists to the Central Election Committee. ( http://bechirot.gov.il/election/Candidates/Pages/default.aspx) Should we add the full lists for each party? Which minor parties should we highlight?
Kieskompas has come out with an electoral compass of the parties competing in this year's election. I've seen Kieskompas compasses on other election and party entries on Wikipedia. Can anyone help with adding it? It is available here. -- Precision123 ( talk) 22:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
So does the section referring to when polls are open refer to Israel time or UTC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.50.103 ( talk) 02:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm just going to leave this here in preparation. The media reports that the Likud has 30 seats are incorrect; they're not applying Bader-Ofer correctly. The Likud has 29 and UTJ has 7. My source for this is the spreadsheet I created calculating the results, confirmed by Project 61, neither of which are good for Wikipedia however.
Of course, it's likely if not certain that the Likud will get that 30th seat when the soldiers' votes come in. But right now, the 30 is simply wrong. Kimpire ( talk) 11:31, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
I love how media reports today are saying "the new results have brought the Likud up to 30" without any acknowledgement of the fact that the Likud was already at "30" yesterday. Even when they're wrong, they pretend they're right. Sad. Kimpire ( talk) 09:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Should Kulanu's 10 seats really be shown as "+10"? Since Kulanu inherited Kadima, I think they should be counted as having started with two, making for a net gain of 8. 22:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.72.175 ( talk)
Jeppiz indicated that I needed to review other election articles. I did not need to do this, but just to make sure, I did. The results confirmed my edits. The US Presidential election article starts with the fact that Obama defeated Romney. See Here: [ [7]] The US 2008 election. See here: [ [8]]. The US 2004 election. See here: [ [9]]. Ok, enough about the States. Let's look at Israel. 2013: [ [10]], just as I proposed a short little summary in the lede. 2009: [ [11]], just as I proposed a short little summary in the lede. Your editor was incorrect.-- MaverickLittle ( talk) 21:33, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
This is the first time the Arab parties have run on the same slate. Shouldn't the Joint List be counted as a new party in the infobox? David O. Johnson ( talk) 14:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
In all places where we have indications of the difference between the previous Knesset and the current one, where do the numbers for the previous one come from? Obviously not from the results at the end of the Knesset, because Shas only had 10 seats (since Eli Yishai left it, leaving them with only 10); and it cn't be the immediate results of the previous election, since it uses separate numbers for Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Narbit has repeatedly tried to add Livni to the infobox as leader of the Zionist Union despite the fact that Herzog was #1 on the Zionist Union list. Of course, it was an alliance of Labor and Hatnuah, but we do not list Naftali Bennett and Uri Ariel as joint leaders of the Jewish Home, despite the fact that both are leaders of parties on the list. Similarly, we only listed Netanyahu as leader of the joined Likud Yisrael Beiteinu list in the 2013 elections. Any comments to stop this brewing edit war would be appreciated. Cheers, Number 5 7 20:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Unlike Naftali Bennett and Uri Ariel, The Zionist Union had a joint campaign with two candidates for prime minister and the party is officially called "Zionist Union led by Herzog and Livni." This was the entire campaign of joint leadership. It's not about the joint list. It's about the joint leadership. Livni and Herzog both lead the party, together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Let's just leave it like it is. Two names for a party with a Dual leadership. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Number 57. Regardless of how the party styles itself, Wikipedia should present it as one-party-one-leader. Otherwise the arguments about edge cases will be never-ending. Kimpire ( talk) 21:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Jeez I'm allowed to respond to people... No reason to get all hyped up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 03:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I disagree with this. The Hebrew actually originally had Livni's name too. I guess someone changed it. The party page has the dual names as well. I have reverted it to add Livni's name. I'm not sure why this is a huge issue for you people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 29 May 2015 (UTC) also. Steven u had been saying that u believed the starting point is listing two leaders. Not sure why u changed ur tune but I'm not moving on this as I believe this is the right way to go and anything else would detract and make the article incomplete and remiss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 04:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
First of all, it's not a change. The article was written originally with the two and then someone changed it wrongly. There is not a consensus for your vision either. Give it up. This is what needs to be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 12:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I'll just say one more thing on the matter. The official registered name of the party in the central elections committee and the official name of the faction in the knesset is המחנה הציוני בראשות יצחק הרצוג וציפי לבני. ie. The Zionist Union led by Yitzhak Herzog and Tzipi Livni. You can see this here in the official elections page link. Also, 13/22 of the articles list Livni as a co-leader of the party. this is a majority.
http://www.bechirot20.gov.il/election/Candidates/Pages/OneListCandidates.aspx?LPF=Search&WebId=6adadc15-e476-480b-9746-04490aedeb0f&ListID=ba72a662-765c-45af-9d48-fb68080956af&ItemID=8&FieldID=ListNickname_GxS_Text -narbit — Preceding
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I don't have a problem with mentioning Yachad's accusations against Shas if somebody wants to add them, but the paragraph that was added has a huge number of problems with it:
Major contradictory source: http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/296445. Only 311 Yachad ballots were invalidated, far less than the unsourced "40% of invalidated ballots" claim in the added paragraph.
So it's absurd to take this at face value. For context, Yachad has also claimed that the "Netz Perach" party was deliberately created by Shas activists so people would vote for them instead of Yachad (I can't find the article where I read this). The party did get 823 votes (more than almost any other nonsense party), so it's possible people did get confused - but there's no evidence backing up the claim that it was done deliberately, and 823 votes is a lot less than 11,697. If somebody wants to add "Yachad accuses Shas of electoral tampering", they can do so - but mention all the evidence invalidating the accusation as well. Kimpire ( talk) 08:18, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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Where was this information obtained? Bibi had 31 seats in 2013 (as likud - yisrael beitenu) & 27 in 2009 (as likud). This would mean a gain of 3 (generous) or a loss of 1 (more realistic).. Ferociouslettuce ( talk) 18:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
user:Jeppiz has undid an edit I made detailing the extension given by Rivlin to Netanyahu (May 6) as well as a hurdle that Likud will have to overcome (distrust by Kulanu) in forming government. It is certainly more relevant than Kahlon saying he would reach a decision after the votes are counted, which Would be WP:NOTNEWS ..
Ferociouslettuce ( talk) 16:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
As per Wikipedia guidance, can I remind all editors that it can be more productive to focus on edits than on editors. Sentences beginning "You..." may not be very helpful. Rather focus on the edit under question: "This edit is..." Bondegezou ( talk) 20:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Ferociouslettuce ( talk) 21:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
There is no confirmation yet whether Kahlon will launch a party, and it has only figured in three of the 30 or so polls used here. As a result, I think it should be removed for the time being, and maybe replaced if and when he does launch a party. Thoughts? Number 5 7 15:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Bibi just gave up. ALL the Israeli newspapers have announced that the Knesset will be dissolved next week. [1] If you want to change it next week after the vote (hey, you never know, right?), that's fine, but we've got to start working on the assumption that it's going to happen. Ericl ( talk) 15:39, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Yup, basically in the polls there should always be a "last election" tab on the top for comparison. 105.155.8.214 ( talk) 10:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Okay, the following is rather blatantly WP:OR, but I don't know what Wikipedia's policy is in a case in which the media reports are obviously mathematically wrong. Because 3.25% is equal to 3.9 seats, it is *very* difficult for a party not to get four seats yet still make it into the Knesset. But it's easy to construct scenarios in which this happens. For instance: Party 1 gets 8126 votes. Party 2 gets 1549 votes. Party 3 gets 325 votes. The total number of votes is 10000, so it's trivial to determine that the threshold is 325 votes, meaning all three parties are in the Knesset. Under the seat allocation system, party 1 gets 99 seats, party 2 gets 18 seats, and party 3 gets 3 seats. Not 4. In fact, Party 3 wouldn't even be next in line to get a seat - Party 2 has 81.52 votes per seat were it to get 19 seats, and Party 1 has 81.26 votes per seat were it to get 100. Party 3's claim to its next seat is only 81.25 votes per seat.
I've constructed similar scenarios with up to 24 different parties. So the idea that the minimum number of seats is 4 is very obviously wrong. Kimpire ( talk) 19:14, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
You don't even need three parties. Two parties, one with 9675 votes and one with 325 votes. Total of 10000, so both cross the threshold, but Party 1 gets 117 seats and Party 2 gets only 3. In fact, were you to add seats to the Knesset, Party 1 would get 119 seats before Party 2 would get its fourth. Kimpire ( talk) 19:27, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Does the above fall under "Routine calculations"? Addition and division are very routine, but verifying that these particular additions and divisions are correct under the D'Hondt voting system may not be. Kimpire ( talk) 19:21, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
The lists that have passed the qualifying threshold receive a number of Knesset seats which is propotional to their electoral strength. This is done by the division of valid votes given to the lists which passed the qualifying threshold, by 120, in order to determine how many votes entitle a list to a single seat... the excess votes are distributed to the lists with the largest number of voters per seat - a method known in the world as Hagenbach-Bischoff (de-Hondt), and is known in Israel as the Bader-Ofer method - named after MKs Yohanan Bader (Gahal) and Avraham Ofer (Alignment) who proposed its adoption.
For each list a "list index" will be determined by dividing the number of valid ballots the list received by the number of mandates it won according to subsection c plus one.(translation and emphasis mine). So the minimum seats is, in fact, 3. However, given that it is widely expected to be 4, we can choose a phrasing that reflects this: "The smallest seat-winning party is expected to win no less than four seats"; this clarifies it is an expectation, not a mathematical fact. Rami R 12:49, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I created a simulator program (available at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_-9LT-D7RH0UUw4UnZDZGxNSTQ/view) that randomly selects 10 parties' vote totals and gives an 11th party anywhere between 3.25% and 3.33% of the vote. (11 parties are expected to make it into the Knesset, with one of those being the at-the-threshold Yachad party. 3.25% is the threshold; 3.33% gives you a fourth seat no matter what. In between those two is where the dispute arises.)
After running several million simulations, it seems that a party that crosses the threshold but doesn't outright deserve a fourth seat gets the fourth seat anyway ~99.98336% of the time. ~0.01664% of the time it stays at three seats. So the three-seat minimum really is very theoretical - only one out of 6000 parties that qualify for it will actually get it, and the rest will get four seats. Kimpire ( talk) 16:37, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
If as many as 2.5% of the votes end up going to lists which don't pass the threashhold, then a party just barely passing would get 4 seats. Between the fact that the number of votes to such parties will undoubtedly be over double that number, and the fact that all Israelli sources say 4 seats, I think we can also say so without being OR. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 22:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Why we don´t make a normal infobox 83.80.208.22 ( talk) 13:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
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The parties submitted their full lists to the Central Election Committee. ( http://bechirot.gov.il/election/Candidates/Pages/default.aspx) Should we add the full lists for each party? Which minor parties should we highlight?
Kieskompas has come out with an electoral compass of the parties competing in this year's election. I've seen Kieskompas compasses on other election and party entries on Wikipedia. Can anyone help with adding it? It is available here. -- Precision123 ( talk) 22:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
So does the section referring to when polls are open refer to Israel time or UTC? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.50.103 ( talk) 02:44, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm just going to leave this here in preparation. The media reports that the Likud has 30 seats are incorrect; they're not applying Bader-Ofer correctly. The Likud has 29 and UTJ has 7. My source for this is the spreadsheet I created calculating the results, confirmed by Project 61, neither of which are good for Wikipedia however.
Of course, it's likely if not certain that the Likud will get that 30th seat when the soldiers' votes come in. But right now, the 30 is simply wrong. Kimpire ( talk) 11:31, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
I love how media reports today are saying "the new results have brought the Likud up to 30" without any acknowledgement of the fact that the Likud was already at "30" yesterday. Even when they're wrong, they pretend they're right. Sad. Kimpire ( talk) 09:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Should Kulanu's 10 seats really be shown as "+10"? Since Kulanu inherited Kadima, I think they should be counted as having started with two, making for a net gain of 8. 22:29, 19 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.72.175 ( talk)
Jeppiz indicated that I needed to review other election articles. I did not need to do this, but just to make sure, I did. The results confirmed my edits. The US Presidential election article starts with the fact that Obama defeated Romney. See Here: [ [7]] The US 2008 election. See here: [ [8]]. The US 2004 election. See here: [ [9]]. Ok, enough about the States. Let's look at Israel. 2013: [ [10]], just as I proposed a short little summary in the lede. 2009: [ [11]], just as I proposed a short little summary in the lede. Your editor was incorrect.-- MaverickLittle ( talk) 21:33, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
This is the first time the Arab parties have run on the same slate. Shouldn't the Joint List be counted as a new party in the infobox? David O. Johnson ( talk) 14:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
In all places where we have indications of the difference between the previous Knesset and the current one, where do the numbers for the previous one come from? Obviously not from the results at the end of the Knesset, because Shas only had 10 seats (since Eli Yishai left it, leaving them with only 10); and it cn't be the immediate results of the previous election, since it uses separate numbers for Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Narbit has repeatedly tried to add Livni to the infobox as leader of the Zionist Union despite the fact that Herzog was #1 on the Zionist Union list. Of course, it was an alliance of Labor and Hatnuah, but we do not list Naftali Bennett and Uri Ariel as joint leaders of the Jewish Home, despite the fact that both are leaders of parties on the list. Similarly, we only listed Netanyahu as leader of the joined Likud Yisrael Beiteinu list in the 2013 elections. Any comments to stop this brewing edit war would be appreciated. Cheers, Number 5 7 20:33, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Unlike Naftali Bennett and Uri Ariel, The Zionist Union had a joint campaign with two candidates for prime minister and the party is officially called "Zionist Union led by Herzog and Livni." This was the entire campaign of joint leadership. It's not about the joint list. It's about the joint leadership. Livni and Herzog both lead the party, together. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 20:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Let's just leave it like it is. Two names for a party with a Dual leadership. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Number 57. Regardless of how the party styles itself, Wikipedia should present it as one-party-one-leader. Otherwise the arguments about edge cases will be never-ending. Kimpire ( talk) 21:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Jeez I'm allowed to respond to people... No reason to get all hyped up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 03:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
I disagree with this. The Hebrew actually originally had Livni's name too. I guess someone changed it. The party page has the dual names as well. I have reverted it to add Livni's name. I'm not sure why this is a huge issue for you people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 29 May 2015 (UTC) also. Steven u had been saying that u believed the starting point is listing two leaders. Not sure why u changed ur tune but I'm not moving on this as I believe this is the right way to go and anything else would detract and make the article incomplete and remiss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 04:33, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
First of all, it's not a change. The article was written originally with the two and then someone changed it wrongly. There is not a consensus for your vision either. Give it up. This is what needs to be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narbit ( talk • contribs) 12:50, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I'll just say one more thing on the matter. The official registered name of the party in the central elections committee and the official name of the faction in the knesset is המחנה הציוני בראשות יצחק הרצוג וציפי לבני. ie. The Zionist Union led by Yitzhak Herzog and Tzipi Livni. You can see this here in the official elections page link. Also, 13/22 of the articles list Livni as a co-leader of the party. this is a majority.
http://www.bechirot20.gov.il/election/Candidates/Pages/OneListCandidates.aspx?LPF=Search&WebId=6adadc15-e476-480b-9746-04490aedeb0f&ListID=ba72a662-765c-45af-9d48-fb68080956af&ItemID=8&FieldID=ListNickname_GxS_Text -narbit — Preceding
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I don't have a problem with mentioning Yachad's accusations against Shas if somebody wants to add them, but the paragraph that was added has a huge number of problems with it:
Major contradictory source: http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/296445. Only 311 Yachad ballots were invalidated, far less than the unsourced "40% of invalidated ballots" claim in the added paragraph.
So it's absurd to take this at face value. For context, Yachad has also claimed that the "Netz Perach" party was deliberately created by Shas activists so people would vote for them instead of Yachad (I can't find the article where I read this). The party did get 823 votes (more than almost any other nonsense party), so it's possible people did get confused - but there's no evidence backing up the claim that it was done deliberately, and 823 votes is a lot less than 11,697. If somebody wants to add "Yachad accuses Shas of electoral tampering", they can do so - but mention all the evidence invalidating the accusation as well. Kimpire ( talk) 08:18, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, Number 57 please explain why did you revert my edit. Sokuya ( talk) 18:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)