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We need to fight less and argue more.
To remain consistent with the format of the "Baltimore Riots of 1968" and "Baltimore Riots of 1861," the page should include a "Background" section that describes some of the ultimate sources of unrest. The report Place Matters for Health in Baltimore, 2012 contains excellent data describing the stark disparities in wealth, race, life expectancy, education, exposure to violence, and other key factors for health and well-being that can be found in Baltimore. For instance, it includes a map showing adjoining 2009 census tracts that have a ~20 year disparity in life expectancy.
I am currently restricted from editing the main page because I am not an "established user." If possible, could someone able to edit the main page add the section below, or similar? Ideally, it should be modified to appropriately reference the link above.
// BACKGROUND
The proximal cause of the Baltimore Riots of 2015 was the death of Freddie Gray of the Sandtown-Winchester neighborhood of Baltimore, which was a result of injuries sustained while he was held in police custody. Additionally, however, significant underlying causes include a legacy of ethnic segregation in Baltimore City, huge disparities in health, education, and ethnic composition of Baltimore neighborhoods, and a history of police misconduct and other forms of systemic racism. For example, analysis of the 2010 United States Census revealed that the average life expectancy of individuals in adjacent Baltimore neighborhoods can vary by as much as 30 years. The report Place Matters for Health in Baltimore, 2012 contains data describing the stark disparities of wealth, race, life expectancy, education, exposure to violence, and other key factors contributing to health and well-being that can be found among Baltimore neighborhoods. Therefore, the Baltimore Riot of 2015 can be viewed in conjunction with the Ferguson unrest of 2014 and other similar events as part of a larger, ongoing conflict driven by social injustice and inequality.
The Baltimore Riots of 1861, 1968, and 2015 all occured during the month of April. // Nijato ( talk) 04:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
... [1] [is] reload-friendly.... EllenCT ( talk) 03:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Live blogs: Baltimore Sun, CBS Baltimore, Washington Post, New York Times, CNN Slate. EllenCT ( talk) 01:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The AG Lynch reaction still needs inclusion. EllenCT ( talk) 03:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
It is not clear whether the police, indirectly and possibly unwittingly, participated in the social media incitement campaign:
“ | When school let out that afternoon, police were in the area equipped with full riot gear. According to eyewitnesses in the Mondawmin neighborhood, the police were stopping busses and forcing riders, including many students who were trying to get home, to disembark. Cops shut down the local subway stop. They also blockaded roads near the Mondawmin Mall and Frederick Douglass High School, which is across the street from the mall, and essentially corralled young people in the area. That is, they did not allow the after-school crowd to disperse.
Meghann Harris, a teacher at a nearby school, described on Facebook what happened: "Police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, [Frederick Douglass High School] students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear, marching toward any small social clique of students…It looked as if there were hundreds of cops." The kids were "standing around in groups of 3-4," Harris said in a Facebook message to Mother Jones. "They weren't doing anything. No rock throwing, nothing…The cops started marching toward groups of kids who were just milling about." A teacher at Douglass High School, who asked not to be identified, tells a similar story: "When school was winding down, many students were leaving early with their parents or of their own accord." Those who didn't depart early, she says, were stranded. Many of the students still at school at that point, she notes, wanted to get out of the area and avoid any Purge-like violence. Some were requesting rides home from teachers. But by now, it was difficult to leave the neighborhood. "I rode with another teacher home," this teacher recalls, "and we had to route our travel around the police in riot gear blocking the road… The majority of my students thought what was going to happen was stupid or were frightened at the idea. Very few seemed to want to participate in 'the purge.'" |
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-- http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/how-baltimore-riots-began-mondawmin-purge EllenCT ( talk) 01:44, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea how to summarize this. Here is the hegemonic narrative. Help? EllenCT ( talk) 02:15, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Is that a form of kettling? EllenCT ( talk) 04:43, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
http://fair.org/home/unverified-threats-uncritically-reported-a-tradition-as-old-as-protest/ is considerably disturbing. EllenCT ( talk) 20:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Victor Grigas ( talk) 03:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I think it would be helpful and appropriate to include details regarding the use of social media to organize violent actions, specifically related to the movie, The Purge. Fliers were circulated among high school students that indicated specific details of a city-wide "purge" in Baltimore for April 27, 2015. Here is a copy of the flier that was distributed: [2]
Meistervision ( talk) 05:21, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Still an interesting question five years later FTIIIOhfive ( talk) 01:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
The sentence "some protesters became violent. They damaged at least five police vehicles" is very striking given the context. Nobody has been convicted of damaging police vehicles. It is very obvious that it was the protesters, but it is also very obvious that the police beat Freddie Gray to death, which the respective article does not assert nearly as confidently. Surely for consistency we should simply be talking about the objective violence without allocating blame prior to conviction. Wikiditm ( talk) 15:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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A second Baltimore Orioles game has now been postponed - http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12780175/baltimore-orioles-postpone-tuesday-game-vs-chicago-white-sox 173.160.130.14 ( talk) 16:08, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I think it is an important fact to include that the six police officers were suspended with pay.
• Lieutenant Brian Rice, 41. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 1997.
• Sergeant Alicia White, 30. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2010.
• Officer William Porter, 25. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.
• Officer Garrett Miller, 26. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.
• Officer Edward Nero, 29. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.
• Officer Caesar Goodson, 45. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 1999.
I am a confirmed user, but cannot edit the page, so if the community agrees, please include this fact.
-- Childoftherion ( talk) 18:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
See also [3]. EllenCT ( talk) 17:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
If it isn't mentioned it should be that the Oriels are planning to go ahead with one of the scheduled games tomorrow (4/29/15 local time) with no fans (or watchers for that matter) present. This is making baseball history as a first of its kind. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 20:33, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
There's an infobox for civil unrest that allows for expanded information... should it be used? FriarTuck1981 ( talk) 22:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Done I did a test case and it fits and allows for an ambiguous answer to certain entries. For example, "no centralized leadership" for the protesters and "numerous" for numbers. I have the template filled and ready to go if there's a decent consensus or i'll automatically add by the 10pm EST. Thanks!
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Should April 25 actually be used as the 1st day of the riots? It doesn't seem like what's been happening was described as a riot until April 27. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 03:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Could someone add the following information to this page since it is about protests as a whole and riots as a sub-category. The protests began on April 18 (13th was art protest) then slowly turned into a riot on the 25th, protest 26th, the big riot on 27th then back to protests 28th on...Here's a few sources, someone else would be better equipped to summarize this information:
Add info to timeline, maybe other refs too
Art protest
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/baltimore-artists-exhibit-inspired-by-police-brutality/32345716
http://www.bmorenews.com/community/baltimore-artful-protest-against-the-killing-of-bl.shtml
Protest 4-18-15
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-shooting-20150418-story.html
4-23-15
6 nights of protests, starting getting emotional with no answers; 2 people arrested http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/23/5th-day-of-protests-in-freddie-grays-death-expected/
4-25-15
Thousands march, first riot, small http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thousands-march-in-baltimore-to-protest-police-custody-death/
4-27-15
Many rioters came straight from High school http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/28/police-commissioner-most-rioters-came-right-out-of-the-high-schools/
Maybe add another category, fill in date/info
-Clean up etc http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/28/baltimore-riots-residents-start-clean-glass-debris/
-Gangs unite, protecting businesses from looters http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/28/baltimore-gangs-cops-freddie-gray_n_7162350.html http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-baltimore-riots-gangs-analysis-0429-20150428-story.html#page=1
-Christians, Muslims and Jews all came together to bring peace to the community etc… http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/05/02/this-baltimore-teen-will-give-you-hope-for-the-future/
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/26/baltimore-clergy-issue-call-for-peace/ http://jewishtimes.com/36511/the-whole-world-is-seeing-this/
-Asian beauty supply store North-West Variety store was spared after being tipped off, Randy Lee opened next day
-A few regional celebrities joined in the marches, Melo, Kevin Lyles, Wale, Martin O'Malley; a few MD-connected celebs came through Baltimore, Ray Lewis and Raven's players, some of the Wire cast members etc
This is all I could do for now...someone help with this. Chic3z ( talk) 19:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Have street gangs ever been recruited to help enforce a curfew before? EllenCT ( talk) 04:42, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Background info. EllenCT ( talk) 13:38, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Black Guerilla Family needs its own section FTIIIOhfive ( talk) 01:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-riot-arrests-20150428-story.html
Not sure what to say about that yet. EllenCT ( talk) 13:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
A lot of this article is poor due to the police being considered the only reliable source in most cases. However, really striking is the Toya Graham line, which says "Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony Batts praised a mother, Toya Graham, who had pushed and hit her son in order to prevent him from participating in the rioting, stating "I wish I had more parents that took charge of their kids out there"" In actual fact, an interview with the woman in question found that she was trying to protect her son from the police. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimore-mother-toya-graham-on-why-she-smacked-son-i-dont-want-him-to-be-a-freddie-gray/ She said specifically of her son "That's my only son and at the end of the day I don't want him to be a Freddie Gray." The narrative in the article on this is simply wrong. Wikiditm ( talk) 14:29, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
to prevent him from participating in the rioting.
I changed a couple of sentences in the first part of the article to read: "After the final stage of the official protest event, some people became violent and damaged at least five police vehicles, and pelted police with rocks." The significant change was changing protesters to people. I did so because the source cited did not state that protesters turned violent. It stated that residents began throwing things. There is no documentation (at least in the cited article) to claim that the protesters were the ones who became violent.
The Letter J ( talk) 17:25, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
See here. Epic Genius ( talk) 20:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The "Reaction" section of this article consists exclusively of criticism of the rioters. I think this defense of the rioters from Salon should be added to that section:
"Baltimore’s violent protesters are right: Smashing police cars is a legitimate political strategy"
74.98.36.200 ( talk) 02:34, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
In a Salon.com editorial one WHO? If they not notable why do they have a section all to themselves. Who seriously supported this nonsense. And can we have a section on cost to city, property damage etc. -- Inayity ( talk) 16:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/29/baltimore-justice-system-protests-curfew
Analysis on Reddit. EllenCT ( talk) 14:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
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Please delete the ridiculous, racist Salon magazine quote. Salon is a self-described Communist organization and their comments are insulting, immature and evidence of low intelligence. Of course they want to bring down society. I don't think Wiki should be a part of that effort.
199.116.174.58 ( talk) 17:04, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
In a
Salon.com editorial, one writer
who? supported the riots and upheld them as a political strategy and an attention-gatherer, stating:
Non-violence is a type of political performance designed to raise awareness and win over sympathy of those with privilege. When those on the outside of struggle—the white, the wealthy, the straight, the able-bodied, the masculine—have demonstrated repeatedly that they do not care, are not invested, are not going to step in the line of fire to defend the oppressed, this is a futile political strategy. It not only fails to meet the needs of the community, but actually puts oppressed people in further danger of violence. [1]
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Throughout this article, the adjective "Baltimorean" is used where it should be "Baltimore," e.g., Baltimore Mayor, Baltimore Police.
"Baltimorean" is at best the adjective describing a resident of the city of Baltimore.
Is there any way to globally search and replace this incorrect term in the entire article, or does it have to be done section by section. And is there any place where things like this can be flagged? I see it all the time, but this is the first time it's bugged me enough to want to do something about it. I realize that many/most of your contributors are not US residents, but incorrect usage still needs to be addressed. Zlama ( talk) 21:58, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Here are some images to migrate
Some of the victims of the riots have come forward and identified themselves, like the Papa Pizza guy, would it be worthwhile to discuss them and the damages they describe happening to their property in the chaos? Ranze ( talk) 02:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
The rioting took place on only one day (27th) while the events have so far lasted for four days. I don't know what the WP:COMMONNAME is but feel that we shouldn't be focusing on just one day here if we keep the current title. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 13:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Note: also see previous section.
2015 Baltimore riots → 2015 Baltimore protests – "Riots" and "unrest" imply a certain amount of purposelessness and/or substantial disregard for peaceful approaches. "Uprising" implies a greater goal that is not apparent. "Demonstration" and "civil disturbances" imply more-or-less completely peaceful protests. Only "protests" is broad and neutral enough to convey that the actions had purpose and were mostly peaceful. Leegrc ( talk) 14:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Support: I support my own proposal and wish to add that the rioting was carried about my a minority of the protestors, another reason not to focus on it, despite that covering the rioting gets better media ratings than covering the peaceful parts of the protests. Leegrc ( talk) 15:02, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. It is possible, even likely that 2015 Baltimore protests is an article worth splitting from Death of Freddie Gray. However, that article is not this one. This one is about police being injured by thrown bricks, buildings on fire, everything you could call a "riot", and only incidentally ( WP:Summary style, ideally) referencing the protests and the death itself. Wnt ( talk) 16:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Why did someone move the page without discussion? It was 2015 Baltimore riots, that is the WP:COMMONNAME (11 million hits for "Baltimore riots" 2015, 735k hits for "Baltimore protests" 2015). We need to move the page according to proper policy. If you want to move it, have a discussion first. There already IS a discussion on the page about moving it. Titanium Dragon ( talk) 06:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't recall much protesting, I recall rioting you neanderthal apologists — Preceding
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The result of the move request was: moved to 2015 Baltimore protests. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 02:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
2015 Baltimore riots →
2015 Baltimore civil unrest – Per discussion above, there is emerging consensus that "riots" is not appropriate.
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It's been a week since the first proposed move. How much time does it generally take an administrator to change to the appropriate title? Chic3z ( talk) 17:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, no matter where you decide the discussion started, it's definitely been more than seven days at this point. It seems consensus is solidly behind this article not being named "2015 Baltimore riots", but opinions on whether it should be "2014 Baltimore protests" or some variant of "2015 Baltimore civil unrest" seem less unified. (I'm looking at not just this discussion, but the two related discussions on the article name that preceded this one.) It may be helpful for people to state clearly their preferred title, especially if it was not clearly stated in their opinion above. (I support 2015 Baltimore protests as it seems to be the most inclusive title, and was commonly used in the media coverage of the events.)
Additionally, I am wondering how these go about being closed... per the closing instructions, no-one who participated in the discussion may close and determine consensus, and contentious discussions should be closed only by Administrators. Is this then something that should be posted at the Administrators' noticeboard, requesting a close by an uninvolved party? Or does someone usually come along, eventually, making their way through a list of unclosed discussions? Antepenultimate ( talk) 17:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Is the administrator on leave? Every time I come back, I'm expecting a title change, but nothing. What's the point of the discussion if the title remains unchanged, despite the consensus. Chic3z ( talk) 18:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
This article is the "main article" for the public response to the death of Freddie Gray, and discusses both riots and peaceful protests under the subject of "riots". The article should be moved to 2015 Baltimore civil unrest. -- The Cunctator ( talk) 19:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Do we really need four videos on this page? It seems like it's a violation of WP:NOTGALLERY because, well, it looks like a gallery of videos. Epic Genius ( talk) 06:52, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
THe total damage to the city is that info available? I did not read every single word but I think we should get some figures in the lead.-- Inayity ( talk) 16:30, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I have removed un-sourced info regarding the protets, Freddie didn't die until April 19, 2015 so how could there be protests regarding his death the day before? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 22:09, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
I propose that 2015 Baltimore curfew be merged into 2015 Baltimore riots. I think that the content in the 2015 Baltimore curfew is largely covered in 2015 Baltimore riots, and the 2015 Baltimore riots article is not so large that the merging what little additional information in 2015 Baltimore curfew will not cause any problems. I'll also note that there have been many curfews in the world far more notable than the Baltimore curfew, but we have no articles on them. I am One of Many ( talk) 06:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Jpaluska ( talk) 16:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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Now that the page has been moved, we need to expand and include material about the many peaceful protests that took place after the initial outburst of violence. Added the {{ unbalanced}} tag. - Cwobeel (talk) 03:30, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Now that the article has taken form, can we take a look at the lede (opening of the article)? I think it needs to be more concise and summarize the entire event, from the start to the finish. BrandenburgG ( talk) 10:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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I'm seeing a lot of sources which describe these events as riots, shouldn't the article title reflect this fact? Darkness Shines ( talk) 21:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
The page itself shouldn't be called the "riots" because, among other things, the page is not simply talking about just the violence that occurred after the death of Freddie Gray. It is discussing the wide variety of protests after his death, most of which was peaceful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.87.44.208 ( talk) 07:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
It seemed strange to me that the article title was "protests" but the hatnote and infobox said "riots". Looking at the recent history of the page, I found that those used to says "protests", but IP address edits changed them. I changed them back, because I think that they need to reflect the article title. Now, looking at this talk page, I see that the title is, or at least, was, under discussion, but that's a different argument. If the title gets changed to "Riots", then the hatnote and the infobox should also say that, but as it stands now, I think those spots should mirror the current title. JimKaatFan ( talk) 23:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Refers to people as being a different race instead of a different ethnicity. Our race is human. Race should be changed to ethnicity. Racial discrimination should be changed to ethnic prejudice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.69.184.59 ( talk) 05:25, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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We need to fight less and argue more.
To remain consistent with the format of the "Baltimore Riots of 1968" and "Baltimore Riots of 1861," the page should include a "Background" section that describes some of the ultimate sources of unrest. The report Place Matters for Health in Baltimore, 2012 contains excellent data describing the stark disparities in wealth, race, life expectancy, education, exposure to violence, and other key factors for health and well-being that can be found in Baltimore. For instance, it includes a map showing adjoining 2009 census tracts that have a ~20 year disparity in life expectancy.
I am currently restricted from editing the main page because I am not an "established user." If possible, could someone able to edit the main page add the section below, or similar? Ideally, it should be modified to appropriately reference the link above.
// BACKGROUND
The proximal cause of the Baltimore Riots of 2015 was the death of Freddie Gray of the Sandtown-Winchester neighborhood of Baltimore, which was a result of injuries sustained while he was held in police custody. Additionally, however, significant underlying causes include a legacy of ethnic segregation in Baltimore City, huge disparities in health, education, and ethnic composition of Baltimore neighborhoods, and a history of police misconduct and other forms of systemic racism. For example, analysis of the 2010 United States Census revealed that the average life expectancy of individuals in adjacent Baltimore neighborhoods can vary by as much as 30 years. The report Place Matters for Health in Baltimore, 2012 contains data describing the stark disparities of wealth, race, life expectancy, education, exposure to violence, and other key factors contributing to health and well-being that can be found among Baltimore neighborhoods. Therefore, the Baltimore Riot of 2015 can be viewed in conjunction with the Ferguson unrest of 2014 and other similar events as part of a larger, ongoing conflict driven by social injustice and inequality.
The Baltimore Riots of 1861, 1968, and 2015 all occured during the month of April. // Nijato ( talk) 04:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
... [1] [is] reload-friendly.... EllenCT ( talk) 03:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Live blogs: Baltimore Sun, CBS Baltimore, Washington Post, New York Times, CNN Slate. EllenCT ( talk) 01:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The AG Lynch reaction still needs inclusion. EllenCT ( talk) 03:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
It is not clear whether the police, indirectly and possibly unwittingly, participated in the social media incitement campaign:
“ | When school let out that afternoon, police were in the area equipped with full riot gear. According to eyewitnesses in the Mondawmin neighborhood, the police were stopping busses and forcing riders, including many students who were trying to get home, to disembark. Cops shut down the local subway stop. They also blockaded roads near the Mondawmin Mall and Frederick Douglass High School, which is across the street from the mall, and essentially corralled young people in the area. That is, they did not allow the after-school crowd to disperse.
Meghann Harris, a teacher at a nearby school, described on Facebook what happened: "Police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, [Frederick Douglass High School] students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear, marching toward any small social clique of students…It looked as if there were hundreds of cops." The kids were "standing around in groups of 3-4," Harris said in a Facebook message to Mother Jones. "They weren't doing anything. No rock throwing, nothing…The cops started marching toward groups of kids who were just milling about." A teacher at Douglass High School, who asked not to be identified, tells a similar story: "When school was winding down, many students were leaving early with their parents or of their own accord." Those who didn't depart early, she says, were stranded. Many of the students still at school at that point, she notes, wanted to get out of the area and avoid any Purge-like violence. Some were requesting rides home from teachers. But by now, it was difficult to leave the neighborhood. "I rode with another teacher home," this teacher recalls, "and we had to route our travel around the police in riot gear blocking the road… The majority of my students thought what was going to happen was stupid or were frightened at the idea. Very few seemed to want to participate in 'the purge.'" |
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-- http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/how-baltimore-riots-began-mondawmin-purge EllenCT ( talk) 01:44, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea how to summarize this. Here is the hegemonic narrative. Help? EllenCT ( talk) 02:15, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Is that a form of kettling? EllenCT ( talk) 04:43, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
http://fair.org/home/unverified-threats-uncritically-reported-a-tradition-as-old-as-protest/ is considerably disturbing. EllenCT ( talk) 20:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Victor Grigas ( talk) 03:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I think it would be helpful and appropriate to include details regarding the use of social media to organize violent actions, specifically related to the movie, The Purge. Fliers were circulated among high school students that indicated specific details of a city-wide "purge" in Baltimore for April 27, 2015. Here is a copy of the flier that was distributed: [2]
Meistervision ( talk) 05:21, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Still an interesting question five years later FTIIIOhfive ( talk) 01:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
The sentence "some protesters became violent. They damaged at least five police vehicles" is very striking given the context. Nobody has been convicted of damaging police vehicles. It is very obvious that it was the protesters, but it is also very obvious that the police beat Freddie Gray to death, which the respective article does not assert nearly as confidently. Surely for consistency we should simply be talking about the objective violence without allocating blame prior to conviction. Wikiditm ( talk) 15:22, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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A second Baltimore Orioles game has now been postponed - http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12780175/baltimore-orioles-postpone-tuesday-game-vs-chicago-white-sox 173.160.130.14 ( talk) 16:08, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
I think it is an important fact to include that the six police officers were suspended with pay.
• Lieutenant Brian Rice, 41. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 1997.
• Sergeant Alicia White, 30. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2010.
• Officer William Porter, 25. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.
• Officer Garrett Miller, 26. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.
• Officer Edward Nero, 29. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 2012.
• Officer Caesar Goodson, 45. Member of Baltimore Police Department since 1999.
I am a confirmed user, but cannot edit the page, so if the community agrees, please include this fact.
-- Childoftherion ( talk) 18:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
See also [3]. EllenCT ( talk) 17:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
If it isn't mentioned it should be that the Oriels are planning to go ahead with one of the scheduled games tomorrow (4/29/15 local time) with no fans (or watchers for that matter) present. This is making baseball history as a first of its kind. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 20:33, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
There's an infobox for civil unrest that allows for expanded information... should it be used? FriarTuck1981 ( talk) 22:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Done I did a test case and it fits and allows for an ambiguous answer to certain entries. For example, "no centralized leadership" for the protesters and "numerous" for numbers. I have the template filled and ready to go if there's a decent consensus or i'll automatically add by the 10pm EST. Thanks!
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Should April 25 actually be used as the 1st day of the riots? It doesn't seem like what's been happening was described as a riot until April 27. Blaylockjam10 ( talk) 03:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Could someone add the following information to this page since it is about protests as a whole and riots as a sub-category. The protests began on April 18 (13th was art protest) then slowly turned into a riot on the 25th, protest 26th, the big riot on 27th then back to protests 28th on...Here's a few sources, someone else would be better equipped to summarize this information:
Add info to timeline, maybe other refs too
Art protest
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/baltimore-artists-exhibit-inspired-by-police-brutality/32345716
http://www.bmorenews.com/community/baltimore-artful-protest-against-the-killing-of-bl.shtml
Protest 4-18-15
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-shooting-20150418-story.html
4-23-15
6 nights of protests, starting getting emotional with no answers; 2 people arrested http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/23/5th-day-of-protests-in-freddie-grays-death-expected/
4-25-15
Thousands march, first riot, small http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thousands-march-in-baltimore-to-protest-police-custody-death/
4-27-15
Many rioters came straight from High school http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/28/police-commissioner-most-rioters-came-right-out-of-the-high-schools/
Maybe add another category, fill in date/info
-Clean up etc http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/28/baltimore-riots-residents-start-clean-glass-debris/
-Gangs unite, protecting businesses from looters http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/28/baltimore-gangs-cops-freddie-gray_n_7162350.html http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-baltimore-riots-gangs-analysis-0429-20150428-story.html#page=1
-Christians, Muslims and Jews all came together to bring peace to the community etc… http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/05/02/this-baltimore-teen-will-give-you-hope-for-the-future/
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/26/baltimore-clergy-issue-call-for-peace/ http://jewishtimes.com/36511/the-whole-world-is-seeing-this/
-Asian beauty supply store North-West Variety store was spared after being tipped off, Randy Lee opened next day
-A few regional celebrities joined in the marches, Melo, Kevin Lyles, Wale, Martin O'Malley; a few MD-connected celebs came through Baltimore, Ray Lewis and Raven's players, some of the Wire cast members etc
This is all I could do for now...someone help with this. Chic3z ( talk) 19:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Have street gangs ever been recruited to help enforce a curfew before? EllenCT ( talk) 04:42, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Background info. EllenCT ( talk) 13:38, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Black Guerilla Family needs its own section FTIIIOhfive ( talk) 01:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-riot-arrests-20150428-story.html
Not sure what to say about that yet. EllenCT ( talk) 13:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
A lot of this article is poor due to the police being considered the only reliable source in most cases. However, really striking is the Toya Graham line, which says "Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony Batts praised a mother, Toya Graham, who had pushed and hit her son in order to prevent him from participating in the rioting, stating "I wish I had more parents that took charge of their kids out there"" In actual fact, an interview with the woman in question found that she was trying to protect her son from the police. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimore-mother-toya-graham-on-why-she-smacked-son-i-dont-want-him-to-be-a-freddie-gray/ She said specifically of her son "That's my only son and at the end of the day I don't want him to be a Freddie Gray." The narrative in the article on this is simply wrong. Wikiditm ( talk) 14:29, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
to prevent him from participating in the rioting.
I changed a couple of sentences in the first part of the article to read: "After the final stage of the official protest event, some people became violent and damaged at least five police vehicles, and pelted police with rocks." The significant change was changing protesters to people. I did so because the source cited did not state that protesters turned violent. It stated that residents began throwing things. There is no documentation (at least in the cited article) to claim that the protesters were the ones who became violent.
The Letter J ( talk) 17:25, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
See here. Epic Genius ( talk) 20:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The "Reaction" section of this article consists exclusively of criticism of the rioters. I think this defense of the rioters from Salon should be added to that section:
"Baltimore’s violent protesters are right: Smashing police cars is a legitimate political strategy"
74.98.36.200 ( talk) 02:34, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
In a Salon.com editorial one WHO? If they not notable why do they have a section all to themselves. Who seriously supported this nonsense. And can we have a section on cost to city, property damage etc. -- Inayity ( talk) 16:01, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/29/baltimore-justice-system-protests-curfew
Analysis on Reddit. EllenCT ( talk) 14:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
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Please delete the ridiculous, racist Salon magazine quote. Salon is a self-described Communist organization and their comments are insulting, immature and evidence of low intelligence. Of course they want to bring down society. I don't think Wiki should be a part of that effort.
199.116.174.58 ( talk) 17:04, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
In a
Salon.com editorial, one writer
who? supported the riots and upheld them as a political strategy and an attention-gatherer, stating:
Non-violence is a type of political performance designed to raise awareness and win over sympathy of those with privilege. When those on the outside of struggle—the white, the wealthy, the straight, the able-bodied, the masculine—have demonstrated repeatedly that they do not care, are not invested, are not going to step in the line of fire to defend the oppressed, this is a futile political strategy. It not only fails to meet the needs of the community, but actually puts oppressed people in further danger of violence. [1]
References
Throughout this article, the adjective "Baltimorean" is used where it should be "Baltimore," e.g., Baltimore Mayor, Baltimore Police.
"Baltimorean" is at best the adjective describing a resident of the city of Baltimore.
Is there any way to globally search and replace this incorrect term in the entire article, or does it have to be done section by section. And is there any place where things like this can be flagged? I see it all the time, but this is the first time it's bugged me enough to want to do something about it. I realize that many/most of your contributors are not US residents, but incorrect usage still needs to be addressed. Zlama ( talk) 21:58, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Here are some images to migrate
Some of the victims of the riots have come forward and identified themselves, like the Papa Pizza guy, would it be worthwhile to discuss them and the damages they describe happening to their property in the chaos? Ranze ( talk) 02:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
The rioting took place on only one day (27th) while the events have so far lasted for four days. I don't know what the WP:COMMONNAME is but feel that we shouldn't be focusing on just one day here if we keep the current title. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 13:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Note: also see previous section.
2015 Baltimore riots → 2015 Baltimore protests – "Riots" and "unrest" imply a certain amount of purposelessness and/or substantial disregard for peaceful approaches. "Uprising" implies a greater goal that is not apparent. "Demonstration" and "civil disturbances" imply more-or-less completely peaceful protests. Only "protests" is broad and neutral enough to convey that the actions had purpose and were mostly peaceful. Leegrc ( talk) 14:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Support: I support my own proposal and wish to add that the rioting was carried about my a minority of the protestors, another reason not to focus on it, despite that covering the rioting gets better media ratings than covering the peaceful parts of the protests. Leegrc ( talk) 15:02, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. It is possible, even likely that 2015 Baltimore protests is an article worth splitting from Death of Freddie Gray. However, that article is not this one. This one is about police being injured by thrown bricks, buildings on fire, everything you could call a "riot", and only incidentally ( WP:Summary style, ideally) referencing the protests and the death itself. Wnt ( talk) 16:23, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Why did someone move the page without discussion? It was 2015 Baltimore riots, that is the WP:COMMONNAME (11 million hits for "Baltimore riots" 2015, 735k hits for "Baltimore protests" 2015). We need to move the page according to proper policy. If you want to move it, have a discussion first. There already IS a discussion on the page about moving it. Titanium Dragon ( talk) 06:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't recall much protesting, I recall rioting you neanderthal apologists — Preceding
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The result of the move request was: moved to 2015 Baltimore protests. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 02:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
2015 Baltimore riots →
2015 Baltimore civil unrest – Per discussion above, there is emerging consensus that "riots" is not appropriate.
Cwobeel
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It's been a week since the first proposed move. How much time does it generally take an administrator to change to the appropriate title? Chic3z ( talk) 17:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, no matter where you decide the discussion started, it's definitely been more than seven days at this point. It seems consensus is solidly behind this article not being named "2015 Baltimore riots", but opinions on whether it should be "2014 Baltimore protests" or some variant of "2015 Baltimore civil unrest" seem less unified. (I'm looking at not just this discussion, but the two related discussions on the article name that preceded this one.) It may be helpful for people to state clearly their preferred title, especially if it was not clearly stated in their opinion above. (I support 2015 Baltimore protests as it seems to be the most inclusive title, and was commonly used in the media coverage of the events.)
Additionally, I am wondering how these go about being closed... per the closing instructions, no-one who participated in the discussion may close and determine consensus, and contentious discussions should be closed only by Administrators. Is this then something that should be posted at the Administrators' noticeboard, requesting a close by an uninvolved party? Or does someone usually come along, eventually, making their way through a list of unclosed discussions? Antepenultimate ( talk) 17:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Is the administrator on leave? Every time I come back, I'm expecting a title change, but nothing. What's the point of the discussion if the title remains unchanged, despite the consensus. Chic3z ( talk) 18:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
This article is the "main article" for the public response to the death of Freddie Gray, and discusses both riots and peaceful protests under the subject of "riots". The article should be moved to 2015 Baltimore civil unrest. -- The Cunctator ( talk) 19:33, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Do we really need four videos on this page? It seems like it's a violation of WP:NOTGALLERY because, well, it looks like a gallery of videos. Epic Genius ( talk) 06:52, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
THe total damage to the city is that info available? I did not read every single word but I think we should get some figures in the lead.-- Inayity ( talk) 16:30, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I have removed un-sourced info regarding the protets, Freddie didn't die until April 19, 2015 so how could there be protests regarding his death the day before? - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 22:09, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
I propose that 2015 Baltimore curfew be merged into 2015 Baltimore riots. I think that the content in the 2015 Baltimore curfew is largely covered in 2015 Baltimore riots, and the 2015 Baltimore riots article is not so large that the merging what little additional information in 2015 Baltimore curfew will not cause any problems. I'll also note that there have been many curfews in the world far more notable than the Baltimore curfew, but we have no articles on them. I am One of Many ( talk) 06:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Jpaluska ( talk) 16:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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Now that the page has been moved, we need to expand and include material about the many peaceful protests that took place after the initial outburst of violence. Added the {{ unbalanced}} tag. - Cwobeel (talk) 03:30, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Now that the article has taken form, can we take a look at the lede (opening of the article)? I think it needs to be more concise and summarize the entire event, from the start to the finish. BrandenburgG ( talk) 10:43, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
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I'm seeing a lot of sources which describe these events as riots, shouldn't the article title reflect this fact? Darkness Shines ( talk) 21:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
The page itself shouldn't be called the "riots" because, among other things, the page is not simply talking about just the violence that occurred after the death of Freddie Gray. It is discussing the wide variety of protests after his death, most of which was peaceful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.87.44.208 ( talk) 07:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
It seemed strange to me that the article title was "protests" but the hatnote and infobox said "riots". Looking at the recent history of the page, I found that those used to says "protests", but IP address edits changed them. I changed them back, because I think that they need to reflect the article title. Now, looking at this talk page, I see that the title is, or at least, was, under discussion, but that's a different argument. If the title gets changed to "Riots", then the hatnote and the infobox should also say that, but as it stands now, I think those spots should mirror the current title. JimKaatFan ( talk) 23:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Refers to people as being a different race instead of a different ethnicity. Our race is human. Race should be changed to ethnicity. Racial discrimination should be changed to ethnic prejudice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.69.184.59 ( talk) 05:25, 3 June 2022 (UTC)