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Is it really the case that the current tally is Labor 12, Lib/Nat 0? Timeshift ( talk) 20:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I've never understood why these articles only use Newspoll. These state articles are the only elections I can think of on Wikipedia that cherrypick one pollster and only use them, and it just seems to be excluding useful and important data for no good reason whatsoever. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 03:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I see we are back here. I've undone the addition of the non-Newspoll poll, as there's no label indicating what poll it even is, let alone the fact we only use Newspoll on Australian state election articles. Why would we add just one result from a different pollster? Newspoll is the only polling company that has polled the states regularly for many years. Whether you listen to people like Abbott who say Newspoll is 'the nation's most authoritative snapshot of the political landscape' or Crikey who say Newspoll 'carries the largest media weight in Australia', it's hard to argue that Newspoll is anything other than Australia's primary political polling company. If Andreas wants to attempt a new consensus (best on wikiproject ozpol page) then he should do so, rather than just an ad-hoc addition of a single poll result from another company without so much as a label, when practise has been to only use Newspoll for the states, rightly or wrongly. Timeshift ( talk) 16:04, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I've updated the polling section to include the latest polls. I have also altered the table to show the source of each poll. ColonialGrid ( talk) 09:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know about Scheffer, but I recall the coverage of Lewis' election (and one of the reasons the press was a bit miffed about it) being the fact that she wasn't going to contest or didn't have preselection for the November election from the get-go. (That she was preselected over the November candidates was down to left-right argy-bargy (also rumored concern over how the right's candidate would vote if Shaw's abortion bill got to parliament). Normally I'd just cite that but I'm not quite sure how to word it when someone effectively announces their resignation the day they announce their preselection. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 12:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Would it be acceptable/appropriate to add endorsements beyond newspapers? I'm thinking of lobby and community groups; this has been brought on by the PTUA's stance, which they release at every election, but others would also release a 'scorecard' or make an endorsement. ColonialGrid ( talk) 06:25, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, I wonder if it's a bit early to be quoting specific margins.
Secondly, it's missed Suzanna Sheed in Shepparton. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 17:04, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's an idiosyncrasy of the Infobox or Election template, but right now the Infobox tells me that Daniel Andrews was elected Premier. Ignoring the fact that he's not premier until sworn in, he wasn't elected as Premier at all. He is leader of the party that will govern Victoria, so will almost certainly become Premier, but he wasn't elected to the role of Premier. Can this be fixed? HiLo48 ( talk) 01:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I have commented out the entire results section. The only citation listed was to the virtual tally room, which isn't showing any seats as being taken. I don't think it's appropriate to be placing a results section into the article when only a bit of half the votes have been counted, but if it is to be there the number of seats should be supported by a reliable third party such as the ABC's election coverage. As it stands without any citations it is either unsupported conjecture or synth. ColonialGrid ( talk) 12:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
According to The Age, the VEC intends to declare the results in all lower house seats by this Friday (5 December). When this is done, I will import the results into a database and run a script to generate the results wikitables for each seat, then make the link available here for checking and copying to the seat articles. I will also run out the post-election maps on Saturday. The upper house results will not be declared until 17 December. -- Canley ( talk) 04:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
How do we measure the change in seats? Should it be based on the results of the previous election, or the pre-election parliament? If based on previous election the Liberals have lost seven seats, with independents gaining one; if based on pre-election parliament the Liberals have lost six seats, with independents steady on one. I prefer measuring based on the pre-election, but would like to know what the consensus on this issue is (and will abide by that). ColonialGrid ( talk) 12:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Seat | Pre-2014 | Swing | Post-2014 | ||||||
Party | Member | Margin | Margin | Member | Party | ||||
Bentleigh | Liberal | Elizabeth Miller | 0.9 | 1.5 | 0.5 | Nick Staikos | Labor | ||
Carrum | Liberal | Donna Bauer | 0.3 | 1.5 | 1.2 | Sonya Kilkenny | Labor | ||
Melbourne | Labor | Jennifer Kanis | 4.7 | 6.9 | 2.2 | Ellen Sandell | Greens | ||
Mordialloc | Liberal | Lorraine Wreford | 1.5 | 4.4 | 2.9 | Tim Richardson | Labor | ||
Shepparton | National | Jeanette Powell | 25.9 | 28.8 | 2.9 | Suzanna Sheed | Independent |
The seats of Bellarine, Monbulk, Ripon, and Yan Yean were won by Labor at the 2010 election, but redistributions in 2013 made them nominally Liberal seats. [1] [2] [3] [4] Similarly, the redistribution largely replace Ballarat West with Wendouree; Ballarat West was also won by Labor at the 2010 election, but nominally Liberal post-redistribution. [5]
Seat | 2010 Election | 2013 Redistribution | Swing | 2014 Election | |||||||||
Party | Member | Margin | Party | Member | Margin | Margin | Member | Party | |||||
Bellarine | Labor | Lisa Neville | 1.4 | Liberal | Notional | 2.5 | 8.0 | 5.5 | Lisa Neville | Labor | |||
Monbulk | Labor | James Merlino | 1.9 | Liberal | Notional | 1.1 | 5.9 | 4.8 | James Merlino | Labor | |||
Ripon | Labor | Joe Helper | 2.7 | Liberal | Notional | 1.6 | -0.4 | 1.2 | Louise Staley | Liberal | |||
Wendouree | Labor | Sharon Knight* | 1.1 | Liberal | New Seat | 0.1 | 5.9 | 5.8 | Sharon Knight | Labor | |||
Yan Yean | Labor | Danielle Green | 4.1 | Liberal | Notional | 0.1 | 3.3 | 3.2 | Danielle Green | Labor | |||
* Sharon Knight held the abolished seat of Ballarat West, which was largely replaced with Wendouree by the redistribution. |
Can someone good with maps do a new map to replace the old map, bearing in mind boundaries have been significantly changed? Timeshift ( talk) 09:18, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
A RfC has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#RfC addressing the inclusion of minor parties in Australian election article infoboxes which may affect the infobox of this article. ColonialGrid ( talk) 11:22, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
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Is it really the case that the current tally is Labor 12, Lib/Nat 0? Timeshift ( talk) 20:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I've never understood why these articles only use Newspoll. These state articles are the only elections I can think of on Wikipedia that cherrypick one pollster and only use them, and it just seems to be excluding useful and important data for no good reason whatsoever. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 03:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I see we are back here. I've undone the addition of the non-Newspoll poll, as there's no label indicating what poll it even is, let alone the fact we only use Newspoll on Australian state election articles. Why would we add just one result from a different pollster? Newspoll is the only polling company that has polled the states regularly for many years. Whether you listen to people like Abbott who say Newspoll is 'the nation's most authoritative snapshot of the political landscape' or Crikey who say Newspoll 'carries the largest media weight in Australia', it's hard to argue that Newspoll is anything other than Australia's primary political polling company. If Andreas wants to attempt a new consensus (best on wikiproject ozpol page) then he should do so, rather than just an ad-hoc addition of a single poll result from another company without so much as a label, when practise has been to only use Newspoll for the states, rightly or wrongly. Timeshift ( talk) 16:04, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I've updated the polling section to include the latest polls. I have also altered the table to show the source of each poll. ColonialGrid ( talk) 09:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't know about Scheffer, but I recall the coverage of Lewis' election (and one of the reasons the press was a bit miffed about it) being the fact that she wasn't going to contest or didn't have preselection for the November election from the get-go. (That she was preselected over the November candidates was down to left-right argy-bargy (also rumored concern over how the right's candidate would vote if Shaw's abortion bill got to parliament). Normally I'd just cite that but I'm not quite sure how to word it when someone effectively announces their resignation the day they announce their preselection. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 12:35, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Would it be acceptable/appropriate to add endorsements beyond newspapers? I'm thinking of lobby and community groups; this has been brought on by the PTUA's stance, which they release at every election, but others would also release a 'scorecard' or make an endorsement. ColonialGrid ( talk) 06:25, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, I wonder if it's a bit early to be quoting specific margins.
Secondly, it's missed Suzanna Sheed in Shepparton. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 17:04, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's an idiosyncrasy of the Infobox or Election template, but right now the Infobox tells me that Daniel Andrews was elected Premier. Ignoring the fact that he's not premier until sworn in, he wasn't elected as Premier at all. He is leader of the party that will govern Victoria, so will almost certainly become Premier, but he wasn't elected to the role of Premier. Can this be fixed? HiLo48 ( talk) 01:22, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
I have commented out the entire results section. The only citation listed was to the virtual tally room, which isn't showing any seats as being taken. I don't think it's appropriate to be placing a results section into the article when only a bit of half the votes have been counted, but if it is to be there the number of seats should be supported by a reliable third party such as the ABC's election coverage. As it stands without any citations it is either unsupported conjecture or synth. ColonialGrid ( talk) 12:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
According to The Age, the VEC intends to declare the results in all lower house seats by this Friday (5 December). When this is done, I will import the results into a database and run a script to generate the results wikitables for each seat, then make the link available here for checking and copying to the seat articles. I will also run out the post-election maps on Saturday. The upper house results will not be declared until 17 December. -- Canley ( talk) 04:30, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
How do we measure the change in seats? Should it be based on the results of the previous election, or the pre-election parliament? If based on previous election the Liberals have lost seven seats, with independents gaining one; if based on pre-election parliament the Liberals have lost six seats, with independents steady on one. I prefer measuring based on the pre-election, but would like to know what the consensus on this issue is (and will abide by that). ColonialGrid ( talk) 12:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Seat | Pre-2014 | Swing | Post-2014 | ||||||
Party | Member | Margin | Margin | Member | Party | ||||
Bentleigh | Liberal | Elizabeth Miller | 0.9 | 1.5 | 0.5 | Nick Staikos | Labor | ||
Carrum | Liberal | Donna Bauer | 0.3 | 1.5 | 1.2 | Sonya Kilkenny | Labor | ||
Melbourne | Labor | Jennifer Kanis | 4.7 | 6.9 | 2.2 | Ellen Sandell | Greens | ||
Mordialloc | Liberal | Lorraine Wreford | 1.5 | 4.4 | 2.9 | Tim Richardson | Labor | ||
Shepparton | National | Jeanette Powell | 25.9 | 28.8 | 2.9 | Suzanna Sheed | Independent |
The seats of Bellarine, Monbulk, Ripon, and Yan Yean were won by Labor at the 2010 election, but redistributions in 2013 made them nominally Liberal seats. [1] [2] [3] [4] Similarly, the redistribution largely replace Ballarat West with Wendouree; Ballarat West was also won by Labor at the 2010 election, but nominally Liberal post-redistribution. [5]
Seat | 2010 Election | 2013 Redistribution | Swing | 2014 Election | |||||||||
Party | Member | Margin | Party | Member | Margin | Margin | Member | Party | |||||
Bellarine | Labor | Lisa Neville | 1.4 | Liberal | Notional | 2.5 | 8.0 | 5.5 | Lisa Neville | Labor | |||
Monbulk | Labor | James Merlino | 1.9 | Liberal | Notional | 1.1 | 5.9 | 4.8 | James Merlino | Labor | |||
Ripon | Labor | Joe Helper | 2.7 | Liberal | Notional | 1.6 | -0.4 | 1.2 | Louise Staley | Liberal | |||
Wendouree | Labor | Sharon Knight* | 1.1 | Liberal | New Seat | 0.1 | 5.9 | 5.8 | Sharon Knight | Labor | |||
Yan Yean | Labor | Danielle Green | 4.1 | Liberal | Notional | 0.1 | 3.3 | 3.2 | Danielle Green | Labor | |||
* Sharon Knight held the abolished seat of Ballarat West, which was largely replaced with Wendouree by the redistribution. |
Can someone good with maps do a new map to replace the old map, bearing in mind boundaries have been significantly changed? Timeshift ( talk) 09:18, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
A RfC has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics#RfC addressing the inclusion of minor parties in Australian election article infoboxes which may affect the infobox of this article. ColonialGrid ( talk) 11:22, 3 March 2015 (UTC)