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HistoricMN44 ( talk) 13:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Oops - I had 2013 several places where it is indeed the 2014 budget. But the "Path to Prosperity" link is for the 2013 budget. We might spend some time figuring out how to distinguish among the many budgets that now have been given the name "Path to Prosperity." JimHarperDC ( talk) 16:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I wonder about having a single article for what will actually be three different budget proposals. Forgive me, GRC, if you know this well already, but there almost certainly won't be a singular U.S. budget again this year. The president typically proposes a budget (the first Monday of February - didn't happen yet), then the House and Senate each produce their budget resolutions. The two of them are supposed to merge theirs in a conference report, but that hasn't happened in years. The passage of the conference report - identical budget resolutions - in each House would be a literal 2014 United States budget, but, again, there won't be one. So I don't know about having one article purporting to discuss it. I could definitely see an article the summarizes the multiple components of the budget process this year, linking to the (restored) articles on each of the budget proposals. (The coverage of budgets generally is a mess, and I suspect a lot of people looking for information about the current House budget proposal are going to the Path to Prosperity article which has scant information about the current year...) JimHarperDC ( talk) 16:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
This page was temporarily merged into a page 2014 United States Budget. This would cause confusion. Although S.Con.Res 8 is an important part of the budget process, it is not the budget itself. In fact, it is unlikely to ever become the budget due to the political situation in the United States. Merging this article with the article on the House bill would also create a very long and unwieldy article. I can explain further if need be. Thank you. I am going to create a disambiguation page to collect all the articles related to the 2014 budget process so that people can better understand the differences. HistoricMN44 ( talk) 17:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I've been trying to add an infobox about each piece of legislation. Can't figure why it isn't being rendered correctly. Anyone know?
For those of you interested in the government shutdown, please be aware that "the budget" and the recent appropriations debates are different things. The president proposes a budget early in the year, showing the overall levels of spending he'd prefer for the coming fiscal year. The House and Senate each produce their own budget resolutions in the spring. Ideally, the House and Senate come up with a joint plan, but they don't always do that. After the budget debate, the House and Senate begin work on actual appropriations bills that will spend the money. They are supposed to debate and pass these bills through the summer. The continuing resolution, which came up because ordinary appropriations bills were not passed, was an appropriations bill, not a "budget" bill. The government shutdown has occurred because the House and Senate failed to agree on appropriations, not because the House and Senate failed to agree on a budget. The current controversy around the government shutdown is fairly distant from the budget debate, which pretty much ended in the late spring. Please don't collapse "the budget" and "appropriations" in your edits! JimHarperDC ( talk) 15:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
I strongly encourage those interested in writing and editing articles in this area to understand the budget and approprations processes. Appropriations debates (including the one that lead to the shutdown) are related but distinct from the budget debate. Information about the appropriations debate and Obamacare and such are non-germane to this article. Here is a primer on the budget and appropriations processes to help you understand and work with these distinctions: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42388.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by JimHarperDC ( talk • contribs) 14:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
There are some NPOV issues with the ACA discussions. Nate1727 ( talk) 18:20, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I undid a revision someone made that listed Public Law 113-46 as the passed federal budget. PL 113-46 has its own article already. It is a continuing resolution appropriations bill, which means that it funds the government for a period of time (until January). It is not a budget bill, which would list all the planned expenditures for a year, but not appropriate any funds. This article is about budgets, not appropriations. Confusing the two is a fairly common mistake. I hope this clarifies it. Thanks! HistoricMN44 ( talk) 12:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
To state that United States federal debt equals 107% of GDP today is misleading. It would be better if Wikipedia concentrated on Federal debt held by the public. The government owes trillions of dollars to itself and this debt is not used by many people who estimate the total debt burden on Americans. You are reinforcing a right-wing meme. Amyzex ( talk) 21:05, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but how do you include Medicare and Medicaid in HHS spending and put it all under discretionary? Medicare and Medicaid are definitely not discretionary spending.
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HistoricMN44 ( talk) 13:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Oops - I had 2013 several places where it is indeed the 2014 budget. But the "Path to Prosperity" link is for the 2013 budget. We might spend some time figuring out how to distinguish among the many budgets that now have been given the name "Path to Prosperity." JimHarperDC ( talk) 16:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I wonder about having a single article for what will actually be three different budget proposals. Forgive me, GRC, if you know this well already, but there almost certainly won't be a singular U.S. budget again this year. The president typically proposes a budget (the first Monday of February - didn't happen yet), then the House and Senate each produce their budget resolutions. The two of them are supposed to merge theirs in a conference report, but that hasn't happened in years. The passage of the conference report - identical budget resolutions - in each House would be a literal 2014 United States budget, but, again, there won't be one. So I don't know about having one article purporting to discuss it. I could definitely see an article the summarizes the multiple components of the budget process this year, linking to the (restored) articles on each of the budget proposals. (The coverage of budgets generally is a mess, and I suspect a lot of people looking for information about the current House budget proposal are going to the Path to Prosperity article which has scant information about the current year...) JimHarperDC ( talk) 16:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
This page was temporarily merged into a page 2014 United States Budget. This would cause confusion. Although S.Con.Res 8 is an important part of the budget process, it is not the budget itself. In fact, it is unlikely to ever become the budget due to the political situation in the United States. Merging this article with the article on the House bill would also create a very long and unwieldy article. I can explain further if need be. Thank you. I am going to create a disambiguation page to collect all the articles related to the 2014 budget process so that people can better understand the differences. HistoricMN44 ( talk) 17:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I've been trying to add an infobox about each piece of legislation. Can't figure why it isn't being rendered correctly. Anyone know?
For those of you interested in the government shutdown, please be aware that "the budget" and the recent appropriations debates are different things. The president proposes a budget early in the year, showing the overall levels of spending he'd prefer for the coming fiscal year. The House and Senate each produce their own budget resolutions in the spring. Ideally, the House and Senate come up with a joint plan, but they don't always do that. After the budget debate, the House and Senate begin work on actual appropriations bills that will spend the money. They are supposed to debate and pass these bills through the summer. The continuing resolution, which came up because ordinary appropriations bills were not passed, was an appropriations bill, not a "budget" bill. The government shutdown has occurred because the House and Senate failed to agree on appropriations, not because the House and Senate failed to agree on a budget. The current controversy around the government shutdown is fairly distant from the budget debate, which pretty much ended in the late spring. Please don't collapse "the budget" and "appropriations" in your edits! JimHarperDC ( talk) 15:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
I strongly encourage those interested in writing and editing articles in this area to understand the budget and approprations processes. Appropriations debates (including the one that lead to the shutdown) are related but distinct from the budget debate. Information about the appropriations debate and Obamacare and such are non-germane to this article. Here is a primer on the budget and appropriations processes to help you understand and work with these distinctions: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42388.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by JimHarperDC ( talk • contribs) 14:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
There are some NPOV issues with the ACA discussions. Nate1727 ( talk) 18:20, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi! I undid a revision someone made that listed Public Law 113-46 as the passed federal budget. PL 113-46 has its own article already. It is a continuing resolution appropriations bill, which means that it funds the government for a period of time (until January). It is not a budget bill, which would list all the planned expenditures for a year, but not appropriate any funds. This article is about budgets, not appropriations. Confusing the two is a fairly common mistake. I hope this clarifies it. Thanks! HistoricMN44 ( talk) 12:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
To state that United States federal debt equals 107% of GDP today is misleading. It would be better if Wikipedia concentrated on Federal debt held by the public. The government owes trillions of dollars to itself and this debt is not used by many people who estimate the total debt burden on Americans. You are reinforcing a right-wing meme. Amyzex ( talk) 21:05, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but how do you include Medicare and Medicaid in HHS spending and put it all under discretionary? Medicare and Medicaid are definitely not discretionary spending.