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Recheck your posts every time you visit. there are individuals who shamelessly edit your posts to support their POVs Lugnuthemvar ( talk) 23:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Is the picture taken from this specific military base, or is it just a random picture of a random soldier in front of a random military base? Cmoibenlepro ( talk) 17:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... This incident was the first shooting between rival forces in the Crimean Peninsula, effectively the first shots of the crisis. Should this crisis become an armed conflict this incident will be remembered in history as the first battle where both sides resorted to weapons. I'm actually surprised this article is even being considered for deletion. -- GlobalWikiActivist88 ( talk) 19:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) -- 24.59.181.47 ( talk) 19:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC) There are many notable sources to this story not the BBC only ,>( http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/18/ukraine-soldier-killed-another-wounded-attack-base/) as I have posted one more. I would also like to note that there is continuing follow up to this story as if it were to be a fallacy then in the coming days and weeks we would see a change in the story-line and edits as in some I have found it is now being told that a 17 yr-old has been arrested in connection to these killings? Now is this 17 yr old one of the "pro-Russian" soldiers, a civilian who somehow had great access to this area, doubtful and very likely at the same time. To simply erase this post as baseless or incorrect I feel is wrong as this would be as pointless as the use of better citation is needed as this crisis continues and the facts develop.
Sunday 16 March 2014 22.36:
"Mr Tenyukh later said that the defence ministries in Kiev and Moscow had declared a truce until 21 March during which Russian forces, who have been arriving by boat and helicopter, would leave Ukrainian military facilities untouched." (
RTÉ)
[1]
Please vote for "support" or "oppose for the deletion of this article. Some people think this is made up of rumors but their hard facts. In every single military confrontation both sides have DIFFERENT perceptions of what happened. This can be casualties, how the incident started but it a fact that the base was stormed and a fact that two soldiers, who were named by both sides died. {{ EK728}}
As it is written in the notice at the top of the page "Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed." Please discuss in the article entry: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simferopol incident Cmoibenlepro ( talk) 21:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... There is a first report from the Crimean Prosecutor General, and it is clear that there is a substantial difference with the Ukrainian version of events. This page will demonstrate in a concrete incident where both sides agree people were killed the different ways that Western, Ukrainian, Crimean, and Russian propaganda reported the same incident. 84.93.191.230 ( talk) 01:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
There is an official investigation into the incident, and the article should have the information from this investigation. If there is an investigation from Kiev as well as Crimea this should also be included, probably as a separate section.
There is a video of the statement by the Crimean Prosecutor General, and I am going to add back on the summary of the statement along with the reference to the statement.
Please do not delete this section, with out a proper reasoned debate as to why you wish to delete the section. RonaldDuncan ( talk) 09:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I personally don't believe one thing the Russian/Crimean press said relating to the incident as a "criminal act" blamed on some small Right Sector organization in Western Ukraine. The facts don't make any sense. Why would, if a Ukrainian Right Sector sniper was the cause, why would he shoot at a Ukrainian military base and kill a soldier. It would make better sense if his target was a Russian soldier since the Right Sector is in favor of the new government in Kiev. This is not my solely based on my point of view I just believe we should trust the Ukrainian/Civilian story of a storming of the base, plus journalists who were their saw Russian soldiers detaining Ukrainian soldiers raiding the barracks. Its like trusting an unreliable source, who are you going to believe the pro-west Ukrainians or the Russians. Thousands of articles about this event conclude to a Russian storming, nothing to do with a sniper… bbc, fox etc. you name it. Wikipedia shouldn't accept both sources its one or the other. With terrorists attacks we trust what the government says not what the terrorists say. BadBoyz1|talk ( Bad Boyz) 4 April, 4:23 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus that a move of the page is advisable, but some disagreement about the new title; at this time, moving the page to 2014 Simferopol incident, which seems to enjoy the most support, per the discussion below. If a further move is desired, please initiate a new move discussion. Dekimasu よ! 23:59, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Simferopol incident → 2014 Simferopol shootout – The title format "City+incident" is, generally speaking, very ambiguous, since many events throughout a city's history may be described as "incidents". Thus, 2014 Simferopol shootout would be more a more precise description of the event. --Relisted. Dekimasu よ! 01:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Anonimski ( talk) 07:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.There were no Cossack National Guard of Armed Forces of Novorossiya. There indeed were Russian Cossacks (Don, Kuban, etc) among paramilitary volunteers in Crimea during 2014 annexation, but they acted under a guise of Crimean Self-defence. -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 07:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
This section doesn't seem underlinked anymore, with 18 links in that one section. To boot, the tag is from 2014. MapleSyrupRain ( talk) 17:12, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Can someone link the actual photo or video evidence supporting his claim? Strelkov also claimed that his troop of 30 men were responsible for igniting the whole conflict. He is used to claim a lot. 78.34.220.243 ( talk) 06:33, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Iryna Harpy, the Mzajac's edit [3] was pretty much controversial:
-- VoidWanderer ( talk) 20:12, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recheck your posts every time you visit. there are individuals who shamelessly edit your posts to support their POVs Lugnuthemvar ( talk) 23:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Is the picture taken from this specific military base, or is it just a random picture of a random soldier in front of a random military base? Cmoibenlepro ( talk) 17:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... This incident was the first shooting between rival forces in the Crimean Peninsula, effectively the first shots of the crisis. Should this crisis become an armed conflict this incident will be remembered in history as the first battle where both sides resorted to weapons. I'm actually surprised this article is even being considered for deletion. -- GlobalWikiActivist88 ( talk) 19:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) -- 24.59.181.47 ( talk) 19:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC) There are many notable sources to this story not the BBC only ,>( http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/18/ukraine-soldier-killed-another-wounded-attack-base/) as I have posted one more. I would also like to note that there is continuing follow up to this story as if it were to be a fallacy then in the coming days and weeks we would see a change in the story-line and edits as in some I have found it is now being told that a 17 yr-old has been arrested in connection to these killings? Now is this 17 yr old one of the "pro-Russian" soldiers, a civilian who somehow had great access to this area, doubtful and very likely at the same time. To simply erase this post as baseless or incorrect I feel is wrong as this would be as pointless as the use of better citation is needed as this crisis continues and the facts develop.
Sunday 16 March 2014 22.36:
"Mr Tenyukh later said that the defence ministries in Kiev and Moscow had declared a truce until 21 March during which Russian forces, who have been arriving by boat and helicopter, would leave Ukrainian military facilities untouched." (
RTÉ)
[1]
Please vote for "support" or "oppose for the deletion of this article. Some people think this is made up of rumors but their hard facts. In every single military confrontation both sides have DIFFERENT perceptions of what happened. This can be casualties, how the incident started but it a fact that the base was stormed and a fact that two soldiers, who were named by both sides died. {{ EK728}}
As it is written in the notice at the top of the page "Feel free to edit the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed." Please discuss in the article entry: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simferopol incident Cmoibenlepro ( talk) 21:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... There is a first report from the Crimean Prosecutor General, and it is clear that there is a substantial difference with the Ukrainian version of events. This page will demonstrate in a concrete incident where both sides agree people were killed the different ways that Western, Ukrainian, Crimean, and Russian propaganda reported the same incident. 84.93.191.230 ( talk) 01:33, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
There is an official investigation into the incident, and the article should have the information from this investigation. If there is an investigation from Kiev as well as Crimea this should also be included, probably as a separate section.
There is a video of the statement by the Crimean Prosecutor General, and I am going to add back on the summary of the statement along with the reference to the statement.
Please do not delete this section, with out a proper reasoned debate as to why you wish to delete the section. RonaldDuncan ( talk) 09:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
I personally don't believe one thing the Russian/Crimean press said relating to the incident as a "criminal act" blamed on some small Right Sector organization in Western Ukraine. The facts don't make any sense. Why would, if a Ukrainian Right Sector sniper was the cause, why would he shoot at a Ukrainian military base and kill a soldier. It would make better sense if his target was a Russian soldier since the Right Sector is in favor of the new government in Kiev. This is not my solely based on my point of view I just believe we should trust the Ukrainian/Civilian story of a storming of the base, plus journalists who were their saw Russian soldiers detaining Ukrainian soldiers raiding the barracks. Its like trusting an unreliable source, who are you going to believe the pro-west Ukrainians or the Russians. Thousands of articles about this event conclude to a Russian storming, nothing to do with a sniper… bbc, fox etc. you name it. Wikipedia shouldn't accept both sources its one or the other. With terrorists attacks we trust what the government says not what the terrorists say. BadBoyz1|talk ( Bad Boyz) 4 April, 4:23 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: consensus that a move of the page is advisable, but some disagreement about the new title; at this time, moving the page to 2014 Simferopol incident, which seems to enjoy the most support, per the discussion below. If a further move is desired, please initiate a new move discussion. Dekimasu よ! 23:59, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Simferopol incident → 2014 Simferopol shootout – The title format "City+incident" is, generally speaking, very ambiguous, since many events throughout a city's history may be described as "incidents". Thus, 2014 Simferopol shootout would be more a more precise description of the event. --Relisted. Dekimasu よ! 01:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Anonimski ( talk) 07:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.There were no Cossack National Guard of Armed Forces of Novorossiya. There indeed were Russian Cossacks (Don, Kuban, etc) among paramilitary volunteers in Crimea during 2014 annexation, but they acted under a guise of Crimean Self-defence. -- VoidWanderer ( talk) 07:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
This section doesn't seem underlinked anymore, with 18 links in that one section. To boot, the tag is from 2014. MapleSyrupRain ( talk) 17:12, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Can someone link the actual photo or video evidence supporting his claim? Strelkov also claimed that his troop of 30 men were responsible for igniting the whole conflict. He is used to claim a lot. 78.34.220.243 ( talk) 06:33, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Iryna Harpy, the Mzajac's edit [3] was pretty much controversial:
-- VoidWanderer ( talk) 20:12, 28 October 2017 (UTC)