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I assume the article is meant to be about the failed 2014 rescue mission? If so, IMHO it should be deleted unless there's a lot more material, as James Foley (journalist) already contains a write-up of the event. If there's too much information to fit in the James Foley article, then we should have a new article. Alternatively, if people want this to be a standalone article, the existing cited description of the rescue attempt in James Foley (journalist) would be a better starting point than this uncited stub. Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 18:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
"the cohesive thing about this article is that its about American interventions, that happened in Syria, in 2014". OK, that clarifies things a lot. I'll change the article title to "2014 American operations in Syria". If you have WP:RS that both operations are interventions, then we can consider "2014 American interventions in Syria". If you have WP:RS that both operations are a cohesive part of a single intervention, we can go back to the current title. I still think the article isn't cohesive; is there an WP:RS that these two operations are related in some significant way? Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 03:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I think the article as it stands now would be deleted. The current unsourced article, is about a single "2014 intervention in Syria" that consists of a hostage rescue attempt, unrelated reconnaissance overflights that get to decide on their own whether to strike Syria without input from President Obama, a threat of airstrikes from 2013 that I guess can time-travel into 2014, and that according to the infobox consisted of fighting between the United States, the Free syrian army, Iraqi Kurdistan, Syrian Kurdistan, ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, the al-Nusra Front, al-Qaeda, and Syria. If you agree this article needs serious work, please move it into the WP:DRAFT space and work on it some more. If you disagree we can discuss it some more, and if we still can't agree we can go to AfD. Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 17:14, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
The content of this article is mostly unsourced and Original Research. No sources have been provided that there are continues military operations, other than the rescue operation, in Syria. Also, the article states their purpose is to defeat Assad and ISIS, which beside being unsourced is also un-encyclopidic. If and when wider confirmed operations occur we can create an over-reaching article on the subject. For now, the only confirmed operation has been the failed rescue op which this article should be about. P.S. As for the recon flights, that too had no sources. EkoGraf ( talk) 02:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Please merge this article. RGloucester — ☎ 17:27, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Operation notable enough. No merge. Removed all of the unsourced Original Research not dealing with the operation. EkoGraf ( talk) 12:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
First RGloucester, with your revert, you changed the title to a grammatically incorrect one. Title (your title) now says rescue missionS. What missions? There was only ONE. (This kind of edit also surprises me that its coming from you considering what a slapstick for grammatical correctivnes you are) Also, your use of the word queer is rather a violation of Wikipedia policy on civility. Second, majority consensus was already established on talk page that the article should deal only with the ONE rescue mission, if not that it should than be deleted. I already improved the article for it to only deal with the one known mission and removed all of the mostly unsourced Original Research which was a violation of WP: Synth. P.S. I would ask you to remove, post haste, the letter S from the word missions. EkoGraf ( talk) 12:10, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the edit summary, the word means strange or abnormal. In slang, the word also means homosexual. For some reason, some people [probably a minority] consider its use to describe homosexuals as offensive, though homosexuals have used it to describe themselves for a long time. It was obvious from its context in the edit summary that the meaning intended was the non-slang one. If some people found it offensive, then they should expand their English-language vocabulary - "it pays to expand your word-power".-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
2014 American rescue mission in Syria →
2014 American operations in Syria →
2014 American intervention in Syria– This article is doomed to be a short, start class article. Now that Obama is committed to "degrading and destroying ISIL" there will be surely more American operations in Syria this year. Let's reopen this article to further development and widen the
scope. ~
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Outcome: request was withdrawn by requester Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 04:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Oppose This article deals with the attempted rescue operation of hostages from 4 July. Not any other operations, which I would remind you have not yet happened with this being the only known US military operation in Syria. Creating an article on potential operations that may not even happen is a violation of WP: Crystal ball. We are not here to speculate what may happen. We are here to create encyclopedic articles on historic events that did happen. IF more operations do happen than we can create a new over-arching article as you suggest, but again that wouldn't mean we should expand on this one because this event was notable enough to warrant its own article to deal with the subject of the rescue mission. EkoGraf ( talk) 11:08, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
As a service member these articles intrigue me very much because they are written without information that would require a security clearance, which would be the most important pieces of information. This article seems to do a good job giving a general idea of the scenario, with a task and purpose outlined and a brief discussion of the actions on the objective. I would be most interested to know what the large scale aftermath would have been. Since this operation was conducted in Syria, and the U.S has had such a long standing and still current conflict with Syria, even though the mission was carried out against ISIL forces it would be interesting to see if there was any fallout with the U.S-Syrian relations. Additionally, I would be interested to learn what happened to the remaining hostages that were not executed. The article identifies two hostages that were executed by the hostage takers, and one that was used in an unknown form of propaganda manipulation; but what of the other hostages that were moved? Lastly, since the country of Jordan was assumed to have been involved, I feel this could be an area that could be delved into much deeper. It is stated that it is unknown if Jordan was involved and if so to what extent, but the implications of Jordan being involved with American operations in Syria could be monumental. If Jordan was involved with this operation on the ground, provided troops, and authorized joint military intervention then that information would be crucial to a full and comprehensive understanding of this operation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finkid221994 ( talk • contribs) 21:45, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
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I assume the article is meant to be about the failed 2014 rescue mission? If so, IMHO it should be deleted unless there's a lot more material, as James Foley (journalist) already contains a write-up of the event. If there's too much information to fit in the James Foley article, then we should have a new article. Alternatively, if people want this to be a standalone article, the existing cited description of the rescue attempt in James Foley (journalist) would be a better starting point than this uncited stub. Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 18:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
"the cohesive thing about this article is that its about American interventions, that happened in Syria, in 2014". OK, that clarifies things a lot. I'll change the article title to "2014 American operations in Syria". If you have WP:RS that both operations are interventions, then we can consider "2014 American interventions in Syria". If you have WP:RS that both operations are a cohesive part of a single intervention, we can go back to the current title. I still think the article isn't cohesive; is there an WP:RS that these two operations are related in some significant way? Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 03:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
I think the article as it stands now would be deleted. The current unsourced article, is about a single "2014 intervention in Syria" that consists of a hostage rescue attempt, unrelated reconnaissance overflights that get to decide on their own whether to strike Syria without input from President Obama, a threat of airstrikes from 2013 that I guess can time-travel into 2014, and that according to the infobox consisted of fighting between the United States, the Free syrian army, Iraqi Kurdistan, Syrian Kurdistan, ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, the al-Nusra Front, al-Qaeda, and Syria. If you agree this article needs serious work, please move it into the WP:DRAFT space and work on it some more. If you disagree we can discuss it some more, and if we still can't agree we can go to AfD. Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 17:14, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
The content of this article is mostly unsourced and Original Research. No sources have been provided that there are continues military operations, other than the rescue operation, in Syria. Also, the article states their purpose is to defeat Assad and ISIS, which beside being unsourced is also un-encyclopidic. If and when wider confirmed operations occur we can create an over-reaching article on the subject. For now, the only confirmed operation has been the failed rescue op which this article should be about. P.S. As for the recon flights, that too had no sources. EkoGraf ( talk) 02:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Please merge this article. RGloucester — ☎ 17:27, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Operation notable enough. No merge. Removed all of the unsourced Original Research not dealing with the operation. EkoGraf ( talk) 12:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
First RGloucester, with your revert, you changed the title to a grammatically incorrect one. Title (your title) now says rescue missionS. What missions? There was only ONE. (This kind of edit also surprises me that its coming from you considering what a slapstick for grammatical correctivnes you are) Also, your use of the word queer is rather a violation of Wikipedia policy on civility. Second, majority consensus was already established on talk page that the article should deal only with the ONE rescue mission, if not that it should than be deleted. I already improved the article for it to only deal with the one known mission and removed all of the mostly unsourced Original Research which was a violation of WP: Synth. P.S. I would ask you to remove, post haste, the letter S from the word missions. EkoGraf ( talk) 12:10, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the edit summary, the word means strange or abnormal. In slang, the word also means homosexual. For some reason, some people [probably a minority] consider its use to describe homosexuals as offensive, though homosexuals have used it to describe themselves for a long time. It was obvious from its context in the edit summary that the meaning intended was the non-slang one. If some people found it offensive, then they should expand their English-language vocabulary - "it pays to expand your word-power".-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
2014 American rescue mission in Syria →
2014 American operations in Syria →
2014 American intervention in Syria– This article is doomed to be a short, start class article. Now that Obama is committed to "degrading and destroying ISIL" there will be surely more American operations in Syria this year. Let's reopen this article to further development and widen the
scope. ~
Technophant (
talk) 04:21, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Outcome: request was withdrawn by requester Rolf H Nelson ( talk) 04:09, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Oppose This article deals with the attempted rescue operation of hostages from 4 July. Not any other operations, which I would remind you have not yet happened with this being the only known US military operation in Syria. Creating an article on potential operations that may not even happen is a violation of WP: Crystal ball. We are not here to speculate what may happen. We are here to create encyclopedic articles on historic events that did happen. IF more operations do happen than we can create a new over-arching article as you suggest, but again that wouldn't mean we should expand on this one because this event was notable enough to warrant its own article to deal with the subject of the rescue mission. EkoGraf ( talk) 11:08, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
As a service member these articles intrigue me very much because they are written without information that would require a security clearance, which would be the most important pieces of information. This article seems to do a good job giving a general idea of the scenario, with a task and purpose outlined and a brief discussion of the actions on the objective. I would be most interested to know what the large scale aftermath would have been. Since this operation was conducted in Syria, and the U.S has had such a long standing and still current conflict with Syria, even though the mission was carried out against ISIL forces it would be interesting to see if there was any fallout with the U.S-Syrian relations. Additionally, I would be interested to learn what happened to the remaining hostages that were not executed. The article identifies two hostages that were executed by the hostage takers, and one that was used in an unknown form of propaganda manipulation; but what of the other hostages that were moved? Lastly, since the country of Jordan was assumed to have been involved, I feel this could be an area that could be delved into much deeper. It is stated that it is unknown if Jordan was involved and if so to what extent, but the implications of Jordan being involved with American operations in Syria could be monumental. If Jordan was involved with this operation on the ground, provided troops, and authorized joint military intervention then that information would be crucial to a full and comprehensive understanding of this operation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finkid221994 ( talk • contribs) 21:45, 3 May 2017 (UTC)