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I'm not sure why the " accessdate" parameters are being removed from the references templates like with this edit here. While it's true they are optional, they do provide useful information that shows when a link to a source was last accessed (and verified) and are pretty standard when using citation templates because they can be helpful in preventing link rot. Is this something specific to WP:FIA or one of it's sub-projects? Just for reference, "accessdates" are being provided in similar articles such as Central Coast Mariners FC (a featured article) and List of Brisbane Roar FC players (a featured list) as well as good articles Australia 31–0 American Samoa, Mark Bresciano, James Meredith (footballer), and Patrick Kisnorbo. All of the aforementioned articles fall under the purview of "WP:FIA" so there doesn't seem to be a project-wide consensus against the parameter's use. Is this simply personal preference having to do with the number of references or is there some policy-based reason for not wanting to add the paramter? Just curious because I've never seen such a parameter removed before as "unnecessary". Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly ( talk) 21:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
This article seems to have an excessive amount of wikilinking. WP:OVERLINK says that "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." I can understand wikilinking to the same article two or maybe three times, but the some of the team names and city names are being wikilinked at each mention which seems way too much and contrary to MOS:LINK. For example, Adelaide United FC Youth is wikilinked 28 times. I see that templates are being used a lot throughout the article and these templates are automatically generating the links, but wikilinking for practically each mention makes the article seem like one big blue link in my opinion and is more of a distraction than an aid to the reader. Not sure why the use of the templates isn't being deprecated to at least the first mention of a particular team or city within the same table or section. Is this style something common among WP:FIA articles or lists? Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly ( talk) 22:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
The wikilinks in the 2014–15 A-League National Youth League#Positions by round table all lead to articles for the parent club and not the youth club. Is this by design? The article is discussing the 2014-2015 season of the youth league so it's fair to assume that the table is intended to reflect the standings for each team in that league upon completion of a particular round. If that's the case, then the links are misleading, aren't they? - Marchjuly ( talk) 22:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Matilda Maniac: I saw this edit, but just thought you should know about WP:PSEUDOHEAD. If you made the change because the TOC was too large, then that the TOC size can be limited. Pseudo-headings can cause accessibility issues for some readers, perhaps there's an another option in this case if you feel the level-3 headings are cumbersome. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:08, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Matilda Maniac: It's quite simple. ;pseudoheader is actually a type of list, namely a description aka definition list. So if you use a screenreader, this will say: "Begin list, term pseudo header, end of list", which is undesirable. Use header syntax for headers, lists for lists, and bold for emphasis. As the accessibility guidelines discuss: Using a pseudo header should be rare as it is always bad. But, since people keep using them, if you do use a pseudo header then use bolding to achieve a purely visual effect. Using bolding will not make it clear to screenreader users that something is a header, but at least it won't tell them it's a list either, which is way worse. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 09:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
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to show how we can limit the size of the table of contents. --
RexxS (
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'''Boldface'''
, opens a bogus
description list. It's no different from abuse of table markup around things that are not tabular data. "Round 2" followed by a football data table is not a list, it's a heading followed by a football data table. It should be marked up as a heading, and if the table of contents is looking too long, then limit the depth of the ToC, as Marchjuly says.  — 
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I'm not sure why the " accessdate" parameters are being removed from the references templates like with this edit here. While it's true they are optional, they do provide useful information that shows when a link to a source was last accessed (and verified) and are pretty standard when using citation templates because they can be helpful in preventing link rot. Is this something specific to WP:FIA or one of it's sub-projects? Just for reference, "accessdates" are being provided in similar articles such as Central Coast Mariners FC (a featured article) and List of Brisbane Roar FC players (a featured list) as well as good articles Australia 31–0 American Samoa, Mark Bresciano, James Meredith (footballer), and Patrick Kisnorbo. All of the aforementioned articles fall under the purview of "WP:FIA" so there doesn't seem to be a project-wide consensus against the parameter's use. Is this simply personal preference having to do with the number of references or is there some policy-based reason for not wanting to add the paramter? Just curious because I've never seen such a parameter removed before as "unnecessary". Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly ( talk) 21:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
This article seems to have an excessive amount of wikilinking. WP:OVERLINK says that "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead." I can understand wikilinking to the same article two or maybe three times, but the some of the team names and city names are being wikilinked at each mention which seems way too much and contrary to MOS:LINK. For example, Adelaide United FC Youth is wikilinked 28 times. I see that templates are being used a lot throughout the article and these templates are automatically generating the links, but wikilinking for practically each mention makes the article seem like one big blue link in my opinion and is more of a distraction than an aid to the reader. Not sure why the use of the templates isn't being deprecated to at least the first mention of a particular team or city within the same table or section. Is this style something common among WP:FIA articles or lists? Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly ( talk) 22:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
The wikilinks in the 2014–15 A-League National Youth League#Positions by round table all lead to articles for the parent club and not the youth club. Is this by design? The article is discussing the 2014-2015 season of the youth league so it's fair to assume that the table is intended to reflect the standings for each team in that league upon completion of a particular round. If that's the case, then the links are misleading, aren't they? - Marchjuly ( talk) 22:11, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
@ Matilda Maniac: I saw this edit, but just thought you should know about WP:PSEUDOHEAD. If you made the change because the TOC was too large, then that the TOC size can be limited. Pseudo-headings can cause accessibility issues for some readers, perhaps there's an another option in this case if you feel the level-3 headings are cumbersome. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 22:08, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Matilda Maniac: It's quite simple. ;pseudoheader is actually a type of list, namely a description aka definition list. So if you use a screenreader, this will say: "Begin list, term pseudo header, end of list", which is undesirable. Use header syntax for headers, lists for lists, and bold for emphasis. As the accessibility guidelines discuss: Using a pseudo header should be rare as it is always bad. But, since people keep using them, if you do use a pseudo header then use bolding to achieve a purely visual effect. Using bolding will not make it clear to screenreader users that something is a header, but at least it won't tell them it's a list either, which is way worse. — TheDJ ( talk • contribs) 09:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
{{
TOC limit|2}}
to show how we can limit the size of the table of contents. --
RexxS (
talk)
11:43, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
'''Boldface'''
, opens a bogus
description list. It's no different from abuse of table markup around things that are not tabular data. "Round 2" followed by a football data table is not a list, it's a heading followed by a football data table. It should be marked up as a heading, and if the table of contents is looking too long, then limit the depth of the ToC, as Marchjuly says.  — 
SMcCandlish
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11:55, 4 December 2017 (UTC)