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The editor claims "permission to use in Wikipedia given by author by email". Can someone verify this? Thanks Rishabh Tatiraju ( talk) 17:50, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I've read many a source that said that cracks plural were seen in the structure the day before. It seems unlikely that a single crack was all that appeared. Is there a reason I keep getting reverted? Abductive ( reasoning) 20:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
This page should be redirected as 2013 Savar building collapse. Cause the collapse happened in Savar.-- Pratyya (Hello!) 10:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Folks, I have asked people who have visited the location to contribute photos to commons. So far, got a few contributions which I'm adding to commons:Category:2013_in_Bangladesh. Please use them as you see fit in the article. -- Ragib ( talk) 16:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Here is a list of Bangladeshi newspapers. (See also Category:Newspapers published in Bangladesh.)
— Wavelength ( talk) 20:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
This is an article about a collapse, according to the title.There is an infobox, and it names suspects. Should I interpret from that context that they are suspected of collapsing the building? -- Normash ( talk) 00:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I am thinking about a new (sub)heading in the article about infringements of the Labour Act in Bangladesh. This has some good info for starting point: http://www.thedailystar.net/beta2/news/tragedy-shows-urgency-of-worker-protections-hrw/
What do you think of this idea?
Thanks.
New worl ( talk) 08:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
The owner seems to be involved in very shady deals. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/bangladesh-garment-industry-reliant-on-flimsy-oversight.html -- 119.192.173.132 ( talk) 15:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
"Loblaw Inc. CEO Galen Weston said before the company's annual meeting that as many as 30 international apparel brands were having goods manufactured in this building yet only two have come forward to speak publicly." ( Loblaw CEO troubled by silence of other retailers - Businessweek, May 02, 2013) I propose that Wikipedia find out the names of all thirty brands and list them in the article. — Wavelength ( talk) 01:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I just added a bad effect of globalization in this paragraph Economic_inequality#Views_on_globalization. I hope that editors in this talk page will add more perspective to that article. Thanks, New worl ( talk) 10:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Some articles discuss the disadvantages of a boycott of Bangladeshi products.
— Wavelength ( talk) 18:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, this article could use a photo of the Rana Plaza before the collapse. There is one here that should be usable (in low quality and small dimensions, to make it fair use). -- 82.170.113.123 ( talk) 21:03, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Supposedly the collapse was triggered by generator(s) starting up when the regular power supply went out. Anybody have a WP:RS on this? Abductive ( reasoning) 00:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Do we really need pictures of mangled dead bodies? Can they at least be put in an auto-collapsed gallery? I'm sure there is some WP: article or other explaining how they can be there, and that's fine, but they're just awful and gruesome.
Thanks, -- IP98 ( talk) 22:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I removed DressBarn as it was brought to our attention via email that the company has claimed they had not done business there since 2010. See [3] and [4]. While the reliability of USA Today is not in question, the existence of contradictory information in other reliable sources makes their involvement with the garment providers at the time of the tragedy unclear at best. I understand a lot of companies will try to weasel out of this, but we should be careful under what criteria of verifiability we include them here, since it's a definite PR and image problem. If someone wants to create a list of "Companies formerly doing business in Savar" then DressBarn would fit better there. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
>> Our Work in Summary( Lihaas ( talk) 16:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)).
The lines "Walmart, J.C. Penney and labour activists have been considering an agreement to improve factory safety in Bangladesh for at least two years.[30] In 2011, Walmart rejected reforms that would have had retailers pay more for apparel to help Bangladesh factories improve safety standards.[21][69]" are confusing, as the rest of this section is in chronological order. Perhaps this section needs to be reorganized with some background pre-disaster information up front, then the response after the disaster? LaurenGrace05 ( talk) 17:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)LaurenGrace05
Subsection "Causes related to Brands, fast fashion, outsourcing and capitalism" has been cleaned up and retitled "Causes related to manufacturers and safety compliance." Besides various grammatical and sentence structure issues, the word choice and choice of emphasis struck me as unfocused and ideological. I have mostly reworked the existing material and removed very little in order to give the section a NPOV tone. That said, the sources potentially remain biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolangray ( talk • contribs) 23:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
The Cause and Effect of the 2013 Savar Building Collapse I appreciate the explanation of the cause, especially of how the cause is related due to manufacturers and safety compliances. As well as, how many people were being rescued and the fashion industry responded from it; however, why talk mostly about worldwide criticism?
"The framework requests that those companies make vigorous checks to ensure slave labour is not used in third world countries and the UK to produce their goods.[78]"
It's not considered slavery if it is a job to help others support themselves and their families, even if it is a little amount of money. Yes, there is child labor and poor working conditions that ae being used but it isn't slavery. One way to make a better environment is to produce fair rights to those who worked in garment factories in the fashion industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:5B10:5000:CC3E:A81A:FAD:AE2F ( talk) 23:34, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
The Wiki article needs to mention the many cases in which survivors of the collapse committed suicide in the months/years following the disaster. The suicides were related something like PTSD, etc.
Talk:2013 Savar building collapse/GA1
After reading all the information, this article seems to be super well put together and gives a good spot to just have all the facts in the same spot?
Was there any information on what the collapse did to the environment? I'm sure the building debris and generators becoming waste had to be awful. Thank you!
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Certain sections of the article are likely out of date. For instance, I find it highly dubious that the investigation into safety violations is still undergoing after over 7 years. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 19:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
It seems to be the far more commonly used term, and is certainely the more recognizable term (I had no clue what the event was based on the title, I always heard and read it as "The Collapse of Rana Plaza"
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Rana Plaza and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 2#Rana Plaza until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) {{ping| ClydeFranklin}} ( t/ c) 22:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
2013 Rana Plaza factory collapse → Rana Plaza collapse – This disaster easily fits WP:NOYEAR because of its four-figure death toll as well as its national & international media coverage. It was a multi-use building that collapsed, not only a factory. Jim Michael 2 ( talk) 20:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
I have found some information that may be useful in the "Compensation of victims" section. Some amputees were able to be compensated via prosthetic limbs provided by Thailand. Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-24338812 Bondsee ( talk) 16:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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The editor claims "permission to use in Wikipedia given by author by email". Can someone verify this? Thanks Rishabh Tatiraju ( talk) 17:50, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I've read many a source that said that cracks plural were seen in the structure the day before. It seems unlikely that a single crack was all that appeared. Is there a reason I keep getting reverted? Abductive ( reasoning) 20:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
This page should be redirected as 2013 Savar building collapse. Cause the collapse happened in Savar.-- Pratyya (Hello!) 10:41, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Folks, I have asked people who have visited the location to contribute photos to commons. So far, got a few contributions which I'm adding to commons:Category:2013_in_Bangladesh. Please use them as you see fit in the article. -- Ragib ( talk) 16:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Here is a list of Bangladeshi newspapers. (See also Category:Newspapers published in Bangladesh.)
— Wavelength ( talk) 20:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
This is an article about a collapse, according to the title.There is an infobox, and it names suspects. Should I interpret from that context that they are suspected of collapsing the building? -- Normash ( talk) 00:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I am thinking about a new (sub)heading in the article about infringements of the Labour Act in Bangladesh. This has some good info for starting point: http://www.thedailystar.net/beta2/news/tragedy-shows-urgency-of-worker-protections-hrw/
What do you think of this idea?
Thanks.
New worl ( talk) 08:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
The owner seems to be involved in very shady deals. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/01/world/asia/bangladesh-garment-industry-reliant-on-flimsy-oversight.html -- 119.192.173.132 ( talk) 15:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
"Loblaw Inc. CEO Galen Weston said before the company's annual meeting that as many as 30 international apparel brands were having goods manufactured in this building yet only two have come forward to speak publicly." ( Loblaw CEO troubled by silence of other retailers - Businessweek, May 02, 2013) I propose that Wikipedia find out the names of all thirty brands and list them in the article. — Wavelength ( talk) 01:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
I just added a bad effect of globalization in this paragraph Economic_inequality#Views_on_globalization. I hope that editors in this talk page will add more perspective to that article. Thanks, New worl ( talk) 10:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
Some articles discuss the disadvantages of a boycott of Bangladeshi products.
— Wavelength ( talk) 18:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, this article could use a photo of the Rana Plaza before the collapse. There is one here that should be usable (in low quality and small dimensions, to make it fair use). -- 82.170.113.123 ( talk) 21:03, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Supposedly the collapse was triggered by generator(s) starting up when the regular power supply went out. Anybody have a WP:RS on this? Abductive ( reasoning) 00:18, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Do we really need pictures of mangled dead bodies? Can they at least be put in an auto-collapsed gallery? I'm sure there is some WP: article or other explaining how they can be there, and that's fine, but they're just awful and gruesome.
Thanks, -- IP98 ( talk) 22:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
I removed DressBarn as it was brought to our attention via email that the company has claimed they had not done business there since 2010. See [3] and [4]. While the reliability of USA Today is not in question, the existence of contradictory information in other reliable sources makes their involvement with the garment providers at the time of the tragedy unclear at best. I understand a lot of companies will try to weasel out of this, but we should be careful under what criteria of verifiability we include them here, since it's a definite PR and image problem. If someone wants to create a list of "Companies formerly doing business in Savar" then DressBarn would fit better there. § FreeRangeFrog croak 19:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
>> Our Work in Summary( Lihaas ( talk) 16:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)).
The lines "Walmart, J.C. Penney and labour activists have been considering an agreement to improve factory safety in Bangladesh for at least two years.[30] In 2011, Walmart rejected reforms that would have had retailers pay more for apparel to help Bangladesh factories improve safety standards.[21][69]" are confusing, as the rest of this section is in chronological order. Perhaps this section needs to be reorganized with some background pre-disaster information up front, then the response after the disaster? LaurenGrace05 ( talk) 17:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)LaurenGrace05
Subsection "Causes related to Brands, fast fashion, outsourcing and capitalism" has been cleaned up and retitled "Causes related to manufacturers and safety compliance." Besides various grammatical and sentence structure issues, the word choice and choice of emphasis struck me as unfocused and ideological. I have mostly reworked the existing material and removed very little in order to give the section a NPOV tone. That said, the sources potentially remain biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolangray ( talk • contribs) 23:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
The Cause and Effect of the 2013 Savar Building Collapse I appreciate the explanation of the cause, especially of how the cause is related due to manufacturers and safety compliances. As well as, how many people were being rescued and the fashion industry responded from it; however, why talk mostly about worldwide criticism?
"The framework requests that those companies make vigorous checks to ensure slave labour is not used in third world countries and the UK to produce their goods.[78]"
It's not considered slavery if it is a job to help others support themselves and their families, even if it is a little amount of money. Yes, there is child labor and poor working conditions that ae being used but it isn't slavery. One way to make a better environment is to produce fair rights to those who worked in garment factories in the fashion industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:5B10:5000:CC3E:A81A:FAD:AE2F ( talk) 23:34, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
The Wiki article needs to mention the many cases in which survivors of the collapse committed suicide in the months/years following the disaster. The suicides were related something like PTSD, etc.
Talk:2013 Savar building collapse/GA1
After reading all the information, this article seems to be super well put together and gives a good spot to just have all the facts in the same spot?
Was there any information on what the collapse did to the environment? I'm sure the building debris and generators becoming waste had to be awful. Thank you!
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Certain sections of the article are likely out of date. For instance, I find it highly dubious that the investigation into safety violations is still undergoing after over 7 years. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 19:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
It seems to be the far more commonly used term, and is certainely the more recognizable term (I had no clue what the event was based on the title, I always heard and read it as "The Collapse of Rana Plaza"
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Rana Plaza and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 2#Rana Plaza until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) {{ping| ClydeFranklin}} ( t/ c) 22:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
2013 Rana Plaza factory collapse → Rana Plaza collapse – This disaster easily fits WP:NOYEAR because of its four-figure death toll as well as its national & international media coverage. It was a multi-use building that collapsed, not only a factory. Jim Michael 2 ( talk) 20:22, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
I have found some information that may be useful in the "Compensation of victims" section. Some amputees were able to be compensated via prosthetic limbs provided by Thailand. Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-24338812 Bondsee ( talk) 16:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)