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How about the probabilty of a storm hitting not only the US coast, but any other? 189.208.43.134 ( talk) 23:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
It is looking like there is at least a chance of such. How would a Barbara crossover (maintaining its name) be treated in this article? It would be uncharted waters in the Wikipedia era... CrazyC83 ( talk) 04:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Based on the wording of the 8 am PDT advisory, it should NOT be added as an Atlantic storm at this time since although it is near the Gulf, it may not be a TC anymore based on the discussion and the wording is ambiguous on where it is actually. CrazyC83 ( talk) 14:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
The NHC is still issuing advisory. They're just not calling it tropical. Should we use the infobox still, or not? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:57, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed that the line under Tropical Storm Barry in the Season Effects section is missing. Not sure how to fix, but a small problem. Can someone else please fix? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.206.40 ( talk) 03:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Again, not another big issue, but can someone update the picture with all of the tracks please. I don't know how to, I'm new to this. Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.206.40 ( talk) 19:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Assuming that all of this information is correct, then both tropical storms Andrea and Chantal are currently the strongest storms to have yet formed. This is going based upon the given wind speeds. 72.198.89.119 ( talk) 03:44, 18 July 2013 (UTC) Anonymous
Can someone tell me how to edit the track map? There's a small update I need to add to the remnants of Chantal and I don't know how to do it. Thanks! ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 14:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Seems like an editorial comment:"This continued a pattern of unusually early starting hurricane seasons" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.142.239.11 ( talk) 17:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
As of 2013 August 08 1210EDT the introductory paragraph contains this sentence:
Chantal, the next cyclone, developed on July 8, not making landfall as a hurricane, but it caused flooding in the Antilles, causing 1 death in Maimón
Since neither Chantal nor any other system has to date become a hurricane in 2013, I think the phrase "not making landfall as a hurricane" is misleading at best. Perhaps that was meant to read, "not making landfall as a tropical storm"? 157.185.95.61 ( talk) 16:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)mjd
Would there be any way to show when a storm hits the different stages in the Seasonal Summary? Currently, a long storm that may become a hurricane for only the last few days, displays as if it was a hurricane for the whole time. It would be interesting to see when it went from TD, to TS, to Cat 1, etc. Those stages are already being tracked, so just change the color when it hits the new stage, instead of changing the whole bar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.94.220 ( talk) 19:02, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I think this has changed somewhere down the years, but it now seems that with the Infobox hurricane current
template it is never right to specify sectnum=1
. Even when there are multiple active storms the tag on the first one remains #Current_storm_information
, not #Current_storm_information_1
; so the sectnum
parameter should be omitted here, while still being sectnum=2
on the second storm, and so forth. Not that I imagine anyone ever actually clicks on the See more detailed information link!--
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Talk )
17:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
What is all the info we know on the deaths from Ingrid? I know there have been 13-15 so far from Ingrid and Manuel combined, but what did what? ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 01:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
How long after a storm do the damage totals usually come in? Just want to know. ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 22:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Really, when will Ingrid's totals come out, and where will they come out? ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 20:37, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone here think it's worth noting that Andrea only caused $40,000 in damage? ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 14:08, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
I think Karen should get an article, but I want to see if it's ok to make one yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.149.253.188 ( talk) 00:23, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
There's almost no indication in the article that this is turning out to be a record-breaking Atlantic tropical season: one of the weakest since modern record-keeping began. Of course the season isn't over yet, but there's not much time left. As of today, the season's Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) is 28. Only two seasons since 1950 years have had lower total ACE: 1977 and 1983 (with 1972 just barely higher). In addition, since several short-lived, marginal systems were declared and given names, the average ACE (cumulative ACE divided by the number of storms) is actually at an all-time low of 2.5 for the period from 1950 through the present. The previous record was 3.4 in 1970.
In contrast to the actual anemic nature of this tropical season, the article has a very long section on the predictions for an intense tropical season, which have turned out to seriously inaccurate. Why does the article need such long-winded predictions? 2600:1000:B00A:3143:4EA:DBBE:DD09:DBB3 ( talk) 15:49, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
2600:1000:B020:F51E:2D41:1A3D:B7BB:7670 ( talk) 19:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
We do have the latest monthly summary confirming the below activity, but, the season is still active. I think we should wait to add so we can get some proper context (and maybe even some comparisons). --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:10, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I would like to add the point of view of a general user. My interest in Atlantic hurricane activity stems from the fact that there seems to be a connection between this and the weather in North-West Europe, specifically Iceland (where many hurricanes end up after they degenerate into remnant lows). For any season between 1950 and 2013 classified as “above normal”, there is a 90 percent chance that summer temperatures in Reykjavík were above average. Reliable forecasts for Atlantic hurricane activity might therefore make it possible to predict summer temperatures in Iceland with some accuracy. For this reason, I follow the predictions for and actual outcome of each Atlantic hurricane season very closely and find it useful being able to access both on the same page. Birnuson ( talk) 13:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/10/26/quiet-hurricane-season/3187621/ -- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
At what point are missing deaths from a storm confirmed? Is there a way to confirm those 6 missing people in Humberto? ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 19:05, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
So why is this hurricane season so unusually quiet? And why weren't forecasters able to predict this? I think that we need to dig up some information concerning the answers to those questions and add them to the article. I'm pretty sure that many readers would appreciate that as well. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 01:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
When the infobox says strongest storm is it going by pressure or windspeed? If it is by pressure then it shares the lead with Tropical Storm Melissa both of which maxed out at 980 mbar. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 21:45, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
The average Atlantic total ACE is just over 100, depending on what period is used to define it, so this season (assuming the 33 value calculated by wiki-folk is correct --other sources, however, list 31) is less than 33% of average. It's currently described in the article as 67%.
Also a reminder: the ACE per storm in 2013 stands at a record low, 2.5, for the entire period of modern record-keeping (1950-2013). The previous record was 3.4 set in 1970. 2600:1000:B02A:B447:8D1E:E299:A753:658E ( talk) 04:34, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Do we have other sources for the "multiple sources of dry air" theory? Brazil contributions to hurricane activity are not established and as far as I can tell, Master's heard it from another person doing research that hasn't been published. "Dry air" is a chicken/egg problem for hurricanes and tropical storms. Of course the air is dry when there are no storms and low wind shear allows moisture from sea level to rise and condense into a storm. If that doesn't happen, the air is dry by definition. SAL can affect tropical wave cyclone formation. A peer reviewed article on dry air in low sheer conditions that affects cyclone genesis is needed, especially the Brazil claim which is novel. -- DHeyward ( talk) 15:47, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Why is it that the NHC is starting to miss more tropical cyclones, especially those that don't seem to fit TC criteria at first, or those storms that develop just outside of the seasonal boundaries? Within the past 3 years, the NHC has identified a total of 2 unnamed Atlantic tropical storms, which is significantly higher than I expected the count to be, but in the past, it has caught every single known tropical cyclone, including those that formed during December or January (like in late 2005-early 2006). LightandDark2000 ( talk) 10:02, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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The claim of "records" in the season summary seems dubious at best. It merely states several "first since [year]" occurrences. The date of Humberto becoming a hurricane is sneakily worded as well to make it seem more indicative of a record, whereas in actuality 2002 still retains the record in question. Please redo this section as to not give undue weight to non-notable occurrences.
Another thing that popped out to me was earlier in the season summary section there is this statement "...operationally unnoticed subtropical storm..." which is false using that wording. It was noticed operationally, just not warned upon. I might go through this more later to see if there are other issues that I feel need to be addressed.
Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 06:05, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Can someone who has the time add text explaining why the storm was unnamed?
In typical cases, the storm isn't named because it's not recognized as being name-worthy until the post-season review. However, there's nothing in the article stating that this is the reason, and there are other possible reasons for not having a name. The article does say "The NHC operationally treated it as a non-tropical low" but it's not clear when the NHC realized they had a name-able storm on their hands - was it during the storm, shortly after the storm, or during post-season analysis? davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 05:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Tropical Storm Chantal (2013 Storm). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. CycloneYoris talk! 06:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
The connection between the Thermohaline Circulation and the weakening of 2013 cyclone strength is unclear. The discussion is too indirect.
References to modeling and research papers are required. Drbits ( talk) 19:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Does this belong in the article? If so, how much?
When the average Sea Surface (or Skin) Temperatures Anomalies (SSTAs) in the NINO 3.4 region (compared to the 30-year baseline period for the date) are between -0.5°C and -2.0°C for a 3 month period, that is defined as an La Niña Condition. When the SSTAs in the NINO 3.4 region are -2.0°C or below for a 3-month period that is known as a "Super La Niña" condition. While a La Niña condition normally decreases atmospheric shear over the Caribbean and increases cyclone strength, a Super La Niña condition moves the shear north into of the Caribbean and reduces cyclone strength.
During the 2013 Atlantic Hurricane season, both the NINO 3.4 region and the Atlantic equatorial region were more than 2°C below the baseline period (1991-2010). The increased Caribbean shear and is probably responsible for the surprisingly weak 2013 Atlantic Hurricane season.
While "Super La Niña" is not yet recognized by the NOAA, several research papers discuss the phenomenon. Drbits ( talk) 20:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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How about the probabilty of a storm hitting not only the US coast, but any other? 189.208.43.134 ( talk) 23:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
It is looking like there is at least a chance of such. How would a Barbara crossover (maintaining its name) be treated in this article? It would be uncharted waters in the Wikipedia era... CrazyC83 ( talk) 04:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Based on the wording of the 8 am PDT advisory, it should NOT be added as an Atlantic storm at this time since although it is near the Gulf, it may not be a TC anymore based on the discussion and the wording is ambiguous on where it is actually. CrazyC83 ( talk) 14:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
The NHC is still issuing advisory. They're just not calling it tropical. Should we use the infobox still, or not? --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:57, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I've noticed that the line under Tropical Storm Barry in the Season Effects section is missing. Not sure how to fix, but a small problem. Can someone else please fix? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.206.40 ( talk) 03:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Again, not another big issue, but can someone update the picture with all of the tracks please. I don't know how to, I'm new to this. Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.206.40 ( talk) 19:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Assuming that all of this information is correct, then both tropical storms Andrea and Chantal are currently the strongest storms to have yet formed. This is going based upon the given wind speeds. 72.198.89.119 ( talk) 03:44, 18 July 2013 (UTC) Anonymous
Can someone tell me how to edit the track map? There's a small update I need to add to the remnants of Chantal and I don't know how to do it. Thanks! ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 14:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Seems like an editorial comment:"This continued a pattern of unusually early starting hurricane seasons" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.142.239.11 ( talk) 17:39, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
As of 2013 August 08 1210EDT the introductory paragraph contains this sentence:
Chantal, the next cyclone, developed on July 8, not making landfall as a hurricane, but it caused flooding in the Antilles, causing 1 death in Maimón
Since neither Chantal nor any other system has to date become a hurricane in 2013, I think the phrase "not making landfall as a hurricane" is misleading at best. Perhaps that was meant to read, "not making landfall as a tropical storm"? 157.185.95.61 ( talk) 16:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)mjd
Would there be any way to show when a storm hits the different stages in the Seasonal Summary? Currently, a long storm that may become a hurricane for only the last few days, displays as if it was a hurricane for the whole time. It would be interesting to see when it went from TD, to TS, to Cat 1, etc. Those stages are already being tracked, so just change the color when it hits the new stage, instead of changing the whole bar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.94.220 ( talk) 19:02, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I think this has changed somewhere down the years, but it now seems that with the Infobox hurricane current
template it is never right to specify sectnum=1
. Even when there are multiple active storms the tag on the first one remains #Current_storm_information
, not #Current_storm_information_1
; so the sectnum
parameter should be omitted here, while still being sectnum=2
on the second storm, and so forth. Not that I imagine anyone ever actually clicks on the See more detailed information link!--
Keith Edkins (
Talk )
17:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
What is all the info we know on the deaths from Ingrid? I know there have been 13-15 so far from Ingrid and Manuel combined, but what did what? ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 01:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
How long after a storm do the damage totals usually come in? Just want to know. ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 22:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Really, when will Ingrid's totals come out, and where will they come out? ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 20:37, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone here think it's worth noting that Andrea only caused $40,000 in damage? ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 14:08, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
I think Karen should get an article, but I want to see if it's ok to make one yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.149.253.188 ( talk) 00:23, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
There's almost no indication in the article that this is turning out to be a record-breaking Atlantic tropical season: one of the weakest since modern record-keeping began. Of course the season isn't over yet, but there's not much time left. As of today, the season's Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) is 28. Only two seasons since 1950 years have had lower total ACE: 1977 and 1983 (with 1972 just barely higher). In addition, since several short-lived, marginal systems were declared and given names, the average ACE (cumulative ACE divided by the number of storms) is actually at an all-time low of 2.5 for the period from 1950 through the present. The previous record was 3.4 in 1970.
In contrast to the actual anemic nature of this tropical season, the article has a very long section on the predictions for an intense tropical season, which have turned out to seriously inaccurate. Why does the article need such long-winded predictions? 2600:1000:B00A:3143:4EA:DBBE:DD09:DBB3 ( talk) 15:49, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
2600:1000:B020:F51E:2D41:1A3D:B7BB:7670 ( talk) 19:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
We do have the latest monthly summary confirming the below activity, but, the season is still active. I think we should wait to add so we can get some proper context (and maybe even some comparisons). --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 20:10, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I would like to add the point of view of a general user. My interest in Atlantic hurricane activity stems from the fact that there seems to be a connection between this and the weather in North-West Europe, specifically Iceland (where many hurricanes end up after they degenerate into remnant lows). For any season between 1950 and 2013 classified as “above normal”, there is a 90 percent chance that summer temperatures in Reykjavík were above average. Reliable forecasts for Atlantic hurricane activity might therefore make it possible to predict summer temperatures in Iceland with some accuracy. For this reason, I follow the predictions for and actual outcome of each Atlantic hurricane season very closely and find it useful being able to access both on the same page. Birnuson ( talk) 13:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/10/26/quiet-hurricane-season/3187621/ -- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
At what point are missing deaths from a storm confirmed? Is there a way to confirm those 6 missing people in Humberto? ManhattanSandyFurystorm ( talk) 19:05, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
So why is this hurricane season so unusually quiet? And why weren't forecasters able to predict this? I think that we need to dig up some information concerning the answers to those questions and add them to the article. I'm pretty sure that many readers would appreciate that as well. LightandDark2000 ( talk) 01:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
When the infobox says strongest storm is it going by pressure or windspeed? If it is by pressure then it shares the lead with Tropical Storm Melissa both of which maxed out at 980 mbar. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 21:45, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
The average Atlantic total ACE is just over 100, depending on what period is used to define it, so this season (assuming the 33 value calculated by wiki-folk is correct --other sources, however, list 31) is less than 33% of average. It's currently described in the article as 67%.
Also a reminder: the ACE per storm in 2013 stands at a record low, 2.5, for the entire period of modern record-keeping (1950-2013). The previous record was 3.4 set in 1970. 2600:1000:B02A:B447:8D1E:E299:A753:658E ( talk) 04:34, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Do we have other sources for the "multiple sources of dry air" theory? Brazil contributions to hurricane activity are not established and as far as I can tell, Master's heard it from another person doing research that hasn't been published. "Dry air" is a chicken/egg problem for hurricanes and tropical storms. Of course the air is dry when there are no storms and low wind shear allows moisture from sea level to rise and condense into a storm. If that doesn't happen, the air is dry by definition. SAL can affect tropical wave cyclone formation. A peer reviewed article on dry air in low sheer conditions that affects cyclone genesis is needed, especially the Brazil claim which is novel. -- DHeyward ( talk) 15:47, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Why is it that the NHC is starting to miss more tropical cyclones, especially those that don't seem to fit TC criteria at first, or those storms that develop just outside of the seasonal boundaries? Within the past 3 years, the NHC has identified a total of 2 unnamed Atlantic tropical storms, which is significantly higher than I expected the count to be, but in the past, it has caught every single known tropical cyclone, including those that formed during December or January (like in late 2005-early 2006). LightandDark2000 ( talk) 10:02, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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The claim of "records" in the season summary seems dubious at best. It merely states several "first since [year]" occurrences. The date of Humberto becoming a hurricane is sneakily worded as well to make it seem more indicative of a record, whereas in actuality 2002 still retains the record in question. Please redo this section as to not give undue weight to non-notable occurrences.
Another thing that popped out to me was earlier in the season summary section there is this statement "...operationally unnoticed subtropical storm..." which is false using that wording. It was noticed operationally, just not warned upon. I might go through this more later to see if there are other issues that I feel need to be addressed.
Cyclonebiskit ( talk) 06:05, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Can someone who has the time add text explaining why the storm was unnamed?
In typical cases, the storm isn't named because it's not recognized as being name-worthy until the post-season review. However, there's nothing in the article stating that this is the reason, and there are other possible reasons for not having a name. The article does say "The NHC operationally treated it as a non-tropical low" but it's not clear when the NHC realized they had a name-able storm on their hands - was it during the storm, shortly after the storm, or during post-season analysis? davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 05:28, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Tropical Storm Chantal (2013 Storm). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. CycloneYoris talk! 06:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
The connection between the Thermohaline Circulation and the weakening of 2013 cyclone strength is unclear. The discussion is too indirect.
References to modeling and research papers are required. Drbits ( talk) 19:35, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Does this belong in the article? If so, how much?
When the average Sea Surface (or Skin) Temperatures Anomalies (SSTAs) in the NINO 3.4 region (compared to the 30-year baseline period for the date) are between -0.5°C and -2.0°C for a 3 month period, that is defined as an La Niña Condition. When the SSTAs in the NINO 3.4 region are -2.0°C or below for a 3-month period that is known as a "Super La Niña" condition. While a La Niña condition normally decreases atmospheric shear over the Caribbean and increases cyclone strength, a Super La Niña condition moves the shear north into of the Caribbean and reduces cyclone strength.
During the 2013 Atlantic Hurricane season, both the NINO 3.4 region and the Atlantic equatorial region were more than 2°C below the baseline period (1991-2010). The increased Caribbean shear and is probably responsible for the surprisingly weak 2013 Atlantic Hurricane season.
While "Super La Niña" is not yet recognized by the NOAA, several research papers discuss the phenomenon. Drbits ( talk) 20:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)