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According to CNN, Obama leads Romney 28-14. Romney and Obama are tied in
Dixville Notch with 5 apiece. In
Hart's Location, Obama leads Romney 23-9. If you could add these to the table, I'd be happy.
TruPepitoM
Talk To Me 05:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Puerto Rican status referendum, 2012.
Why is there no mention of this in the opening paragraph, after it mentions the concurrent senate, house, and governorship elections?
Lionboy-Renae ( talk) 19:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Polls closing time should also be given in GMT in paranthesis since wikipedia has a global and not only American readership. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.140.67.60 ( talk) 21:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Is there any updated cartogram available ? Yug (talk) 03:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Fixed I thought we had a separate WP article for the election results each state. I can't find that at the moment. --
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Fixed I'm puzzled as Fox News is calling Wisconsin for Obama with 12% of the vote counted and Romney leading 230,000 to 172,000 votes. At this instant it's 15% counted and still at 240,000 to 212,000 in Romney's favor. Thus I wanted to look at the WP article for Wisconsin to see if they used some method other than majority vote for the entire state. --
Marc Kupper|
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Better get ready, looks like projections are calling for Obama's re-election now. Canuck89 (what's up?) 04:20, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
The Republicans do have a point as of now if the totals end and they are within 250,000 votes then we wont know the official results of the election until 10 days later, of course this is if Obama wins no more major states this is just a thing to keep in mind and watch. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 04:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I retracted it for now, waiting for more results to change, notwithstanding the media. CrazyC83 ( talk) 05:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes right now it is unsourced but I think that when the official results do come in we can always redo it to show this, I dont want to lose all of the linked articles by stste for this election in one easy to find place. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 06:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Really all the states are decided other than FL. They are no longer projections. That NYT link which shows which networks have called which states is no longer current. I say get rid of all the projection (e.g. (Consensus projection)) comments. Also the NE comment about 4th and 5th is probably very old. 96.234.3.57 ( talk) 10:35, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
It seems silly to devote so much space in the Lead to the four "mathematically eligible" candidates who never attracted any noticeable following. Suggest the paragraph about them be deleted from the Lead; the issue and references can all be covered in the body of the article. Parkwells ( talk) 16:46, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Arkansas should be AR in the election cartogram at the bottom of the article. Instead it is AK, which Alaska (which is also correctly identified as AK). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.185.6.158 ( talk) 17:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't believe that Virgil Goode would only attain ~4,000 votes across all the nation, so I did a hand state by state count; he actually has at the moment 113,990 votes. I'll do similar counts with other candidates just to see if they are also off, though I doubt it will be to that degree. -- Ariostos ( talk) 19:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Maps need updating.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.26.136.14 ( talk) 19:27, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
This article says "Specifically, the Dow Jones Industrial Average, NASDAQ and S&P 500 all fell over 2 percent the day after the election.[121]."
Excuse me. I'm writing this at 14:54 Eastern time on "the day after the election." THE MARKET IS STILL OPEN!
WHAT ON EARTH ARE WE DOING HERE?????
Poihths ( talk) 19:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
It seems silly to try and say that this is a reaction to Obama being re-elected, as Wall Street loves Obama. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.115.47.163 ( talk) 22:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Done
This is by no means a necessary edit; however, with the important ballot initiatives that are mentioned (including legalizing marijuana in Washington and Colorado) I think it is extremely important to mention that Maryland, Maine, and Washington all legalized same sex marriage by POPULAR VOTE. Same sex marriage has been proposed to the people via referendum 32 times before, and all 32 times it was struck down. This is an extremely historical occurance to have these states agree by popular vote to legalize same sex marriage. This is my suggestion to add to that section. Thank you! — Preceding
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129.2.129.108 (
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Here is how I think it should be handled:
I think it will be hard to do the tables in advance of the official results being published state by state. As I see that the Secretries of State or other official election boards are publishing the vote results with 100% precincts, I've been adding them to the appropriate state pages, but most states don't have all of the votes in at this point. Once they do, it should be a rather quick table to put together. Smooth pappa ( talk) 02:41, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Please consider converting the bullets in the Debate Section into a Table. 64.128.27.82 ( talk) 15:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Date | Moderator [1] | Debate [2] | Location |
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Wednesday October 3 | Jim Lehrer | First presidential debate | University of Denver in Denver, Colorado. |
Thursday October 11 | Martha Raddatz | Vice-presidential debate | Centre College in Danville, Kentucky. |
Tuesday October 16 | Candy Crowley | Second presidential debate | Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. |
Monday October 22 | Bob Schieffer | Third presidential debate | Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida. |
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Done
It should be added in some section that in New Jersey law allowed voting by email.
[3]
When is the estimate for adding the main third party results to the article? (Libertarian and Green, namely, although Constitution and Justice would be interesting information somewhere lower.) I collect information on third party results and need the numbers. Coolgamer ( talk) 19:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
This is what Google had:
Candidate | Party | Percent | Vote | Electoral Votes |
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Barack Obama | Democrat | 50.3% | 60,398,485 | 303 |
Mitt Romney | Republican | 48.1% | 57,598,903 | 206 |
Gary Johnson | Libertarian | 1.0% | 1,139,562 | 0 |
Jill Stein | Green Party | 0.3% | 396,684 | 0 |
Roseanne Barr | Peace and Freedom Party | <0.1% | 49,426 | 0 |
Rocky Anderson | Justice party | <0.1% | 34,521 | 0 |
Tom Hoefling | America's Party | <0.1% | 28,594 | 0 |
Jerry Litzel | Independent? | <0.1% | 12,984 | 0 |
Jeff Boss | Independent | <0.1% | 12,984 | 0 |
Randall Terry | Independent? | <0.1% | 12,985 | 0 |
Merlin Miller | American Third Position Party | <0.1% | 12,894 | 0 |
Jill Reed | Independent? | <0.1% | 12,108 | 0 |
Richard Duncan | Independent? | <0.1% | 12,108 | 0 |
Andre Barnett | Reform Party USA | <0.1% | 4,711 | 0 |
Chuck Baldwin | *Reform Party (Kansas) | <0.1% | 4,711 | 0 |
Barbara Washer | Independent? | <0.1% | 4,711 | 0 |
Tom Stevens | Objectivist Party | <0.1% | 4,013 | 0 |
Stewart Alexander | Socialist Party USA | <0.1% | 3,897 | 0 |
Virgil Goode | Constitution Party | <0.1% | 3,819 | 0 |
Will Christensen | *American Independent Party | <0.1% | 3,819 | 0 |
James Harris | *Socialist Workers Party | <0.1% | 3,437 | 0 |
Jim Carlson | Grassroots Party | <0.1% | 3,169 | 0 |
Sheila Tittle | *Independent | <0.1% | 2,499 | 0 |
Peta Lindsay | *Party for Socialism and Liberation | <0.1% | 1,525 | 0 |
Gloria La Riva | *Party for Socialism and Liberation (Iowa) | <0.1% | 1,525 | 0 |
Jerry White | Socialist Equality Party | <0.1% | 1,138 | 0 |
Dean Morstad | *Independent | <0.1% | 1,107 | 0 |
Jack Fellure | Prohibition Party | <0.1% | 519 | 0 |
None of these candidates | <0.1% | 5,753 | 0 |
Note that Tom Hoefling's vote count is listed twice on the website, as Tom and as Thomas. That there should be any counts that are identical is questionable. Votes are still being accepted until Friday, November 9 in New Jersey, so obviously final results will not be available for some time. Apteva ( talk) 22:21, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
There is mention in the lead about the marijuana, same-sex marriage, and Puerto Rico referendums. Although these items were on the ballots in various states at the same time as the presidential election, I don't think they have anything to do with electing a president. Why are these items in this article? 72Dino ( talk) 23:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I have removed Gary Johnson from the main infobox as he got only 1.1 million votes which was less than 1% of the total vote. The last candidate to get over 2 million votes was Green party candidate Ralph Nader back in 2000 as for being in the infobox with the Democrat and Republican this is for 1996 when with 8.4% of the vote Ross Perot got 8,085,294 total votes. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 05:56, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
This issue is dealt with in one of the message boxes at the top of the page, specifically the note that a candidate is put in the infobox if and only if they meet one of the following two conditions:
Since Johnson did neither, he should not be listed in the infobox. Canuck89 (chat with me) 07:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
An alternative idea would be to create a link at the bottom of the infobox for "Minor results" or a similar wording (e.g. "Other results", "Third Party Results", etc.). What does everyone think about that idea? 64.128.27.82 ( talk) 15:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Could we please have a map like this one Electoral county by county 2012? It is the best one I have seen anywhere. 91.39.97.80 ( talk) 08:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The preliminary report from OSCE: LIMITED ELECTION OBSERVATION MISSION - United States of America – General Elections, 6 November 201.
It is mostly general positive things like: "The 6 November general elections took place in a pluralistic environment and were administered in a professional manner." and "The election campaigns were vibrant and highly competitive." and "Overall, media is pluralistic and diverse and provided voters with a wide range of information and views on candidates, issues, and electoral platforms." and "The overall field of candidates provided voters with a wide degree of choice"
But also comments on voter eligbility: "US citizens who are at least 18 years old on election day and residents of a state were eligible to vote. Some 4.1 million citizens that are residents of US territories were not eligible to vote, while some 600,000 citizens that are residents of the District of Columbia were eligible to vote only for the president. An estimated 5.9 million citizens were disenfranchised due to a criminal conviction, including some 2.6 million citizens who have served their sentences. This is at odds with the principle of universal suffrage and the commitment to ensure proportionality in the restriction of voting rights as enshrined in paragraphs 7.3 and 24 of the 1990 OSCE Copenhagen Document."
And alsom comments on voter registration: "Voter registration is implemented at state level through an active system. A number of states launched initiatives to improve the accuracy of their voter lists. Civil society was active in encouraging citizens to register, as well as checking the accuracy of voter registers. Nevertheless an estimated 50 million eligible citizens were not registered to vote, bringing into question the effectiveness of existing measures to ensure that all persons entitled to vote are able to exercise that right."
Read the whole report to learn more. Some may be useful in the article Jack Bornholm ( talk) 14:52, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Florida.... must have Florida.... 188.221.129.72 ( talk) 15:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The sentence: Compared to John McCain's performance in the previous election, Romney gained the electoral votes of North Carolina, Indiana and Nebraska's 2nd congressional district. Should be changed to: Compared to John McCain's performance in the previous election, Romney gained the electoral votes of North Carolina and Indiana, but lost Nebraska's 2nd congressional district. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.16.3 ( talk) 20:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry; thanks for correcting my mistake; I'll read more carefully next time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.16.3 ( talk) 22:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
This section was also added by request (one even wanted a voter guide so they would know how to vote). Some of the election issues are very well known and clearly should be included. While this was titles "Campaign issues" it was not intended to be a list of all the campaign elements, just those that affected the election. It was not added until after the election was over because it was not intended to be a voter guide, but a guide to what issues were the most important. [3] Apteva ( talk) 23:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
A comparison of the first to last edit does not show much change. [4] I actually did not want to create the content, but just add a boilerplate with the hope that others would add the content. I only put in the items that seemed to be mentioned the most. It is possible that immigration could be mentioned. Evidently religion was made a non-issue because Obama did not want it to backfire. Apteva ( talk) 23:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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President Obama has won Florida. Requesting to update information in number of electoral votes, electoral college map, percentage of votes, and number of votes. http://ivn.us/2012/11/08/president-obama-wins-florida-with-the-independent-vote/ Wadeappleby ( talk) 00:23, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Warning Just a friendly reminder, keep the RR's down to three.
United States presidential election, 2012 is subject to sanctions, see
Wikipedia:General sanctions/2012 Presidential Campaign/Log.
Apteva (
talk) 01:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
The 2012 election was also the first time that a senator won an election against a Governor. In fact, in all previous bids for reelection by an incumbent which failed, the winner was a Governor and the incumbent was never a Governor, except for Jimmy Carter. Barryfadams ( talk) 14:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Mitt Romney is making an concession speech right now. It is over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.99.73 ( talk) 05:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Romney made his concession speech... Obama surpassed Romney's votes... I would have to say he's won. JoThousand ( talk) 06:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/08/3087995/romney-campaign-we-lost-florida.html
UPDATE THIS ARTICLE! ITS OVER! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.23.59 ( talk) 22:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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| electoral_vote1 = 332 69.113.48.157 ( talk) 23:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Done. But not necessarily now. FYI, that consensus, while noble, was immediately and consistently ignored. But please quit edit warring over this issue as doing so will get the article being locked down and somebody being blocked.
Apteva (
talk) 01:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Done
If there is some rationale for not clearly stating the winner in the lead paragraph or two at this point, can that rationale itself be stated? Compare this lead to the lead of the 2008 election article, in which, like any good newspaper story, the first sentence states the most important and relevant information: that this election had a winner, and who it was. In contrast, this article's lead contains a lot arguably esoteric data about timing and projections, only to have a passing reference to Obama winning deep within the intro. If there's some reason for consensus around not declaring Obama the winner yet (votes not certified? Electors haven't met?), could someone add that to the lead? Because the omission of a direct, simple mention in the opening graf or two of the fact that Obama won is a little strange.
Moncrief (
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When I encountered it, article's lead said:
I've removed that line because it's misleading. It ignores the fact that FDR, though he got more electoral votes in 1936 than 1932, got fewer electoral votes in 1940 than in either previous contest, and the fewest of all in 1944. The common sense reading of this statement will be one in which the reader infers "re-election", or "final run for the White House" and not strictly "second term".
I think it's also too narrowly construed. Truman had a second term, even if his first was not one in which he was at the top of the ticket. He won fewer votes as a Presidential candidate than a Vice Presidential one. The same phenomenon is true of Coolidge, too — though obviously not of LBJ.
I also think it's a fairly trivial negative point to make in the lead. Of all the negative inferences that could be made about Obama's performance now versus 2008, his electoral vote count is not a particularly strong one. His electoral victory slipped from 67.84 to 61.71. Assuming Florida goes his way. he'll have beat both challengers by basically 2:1, for a total batting average of 64.77. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 06:07, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
All the ballots still have not been counted, no major network has projected a winner in Florida, and both the Obama and Romney campaigns are indicating that Obama probably won Florida, so why is the state red on the map here?-- 50.4.162.0 ( talk) 11:16, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the following paragraph from 2012 United States presidential election/Archive 12#Election:
This graf was in the middle of a portion of the article that was talking about genuine firsts (i.e. first evers) and was thus incongruous. I've no real objection to it being included somewhere in the article, but it certainly didn't belong where it was. It should be in another section which tries to delineate some of the characteristics of the election, such as the changing demographics captured by exit polls, the role bad polling had in allowing a number of news outlets to mischaracterize the race as a "tossup", the nature of the coalition of women and minorities Obama used to win, the diminished votes of third party candidates as compared with other elections since 1992, and other characteristics. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 12:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I was unable to find a simple, easy-to-read spreadsheet with the popular vote in each state and the national totals so I've created one which I'm updating with the latest information. The link is below:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFp2dUlkNWlJeGN5NFUxa0F3cXpoLXc#gid=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajs41 ( talk • contribs) 14:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I see why you want to get a start, but it's probably worth pointing out that a lot of the numbers can change, as states begin to certify the results. As of last night, when I was digging around, a lot of states had not yet received 100% of the vote yet. As of right now, for example, Washington has appx. 600,000 ballots yet to be counted. Smooth pappa ( talk) 16:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Obama: 332
Romney: 206 [6]
Romney conceded Florida [7]
Can we update it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Partyclams ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
"The election marked the first time since 1972 that both members of a major-party presidential ticket did not win the electoral votes of their home states."
This is inaccurate as Al Gore lost Tennessee in 2000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.178.82.154 ( talk) 23:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
He said first time that BOTH candidates lost their home states. Joe Lieberman won Connecticut. 72.92.235.239 ( talk) 00:27, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
This should be a trivial move - to United States presidential election of 2012. The rationale that we have always done it this way "All of the presidential election articles currently have the same title format I feel there should at least be a d" not withstanding. Apteva ( talk) 22:00, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Why is Florida being added to Obama's total? The state hasn't decided yet. GoodDay ( talk) 00:10, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Lots of things are "possible." However, Obama has a lead that is greater than the amount that would trigger a mandatory recount, and the areas left uncounted are indisputably thought to favor Obama. I see above that the networks "calling" a state was considered good enough for purposes here; the Romney campaign making an "admission against interest" certainly qualifies as far, far more trustworthy than television networks (which are not reporting on it because the election is over and it's a footnote).
I'm not sure if you misread my meaning intentionally or if I was unclear or what, but by "dispute" I mean dispute in the sense of "contend for" not "object to." Thus the Obama campaign is absolutely disputing for California in the sense of "claiming to have won it." The Romney campaign is not claiming to have won (=disputing) Florida.
I could go further into why there's approximately a 99.999999999% chance that Obama will be declared the winner of Florida, but even if you think it's more like a 99.8% chance, our opinions don't matter here. The Romney concession is absolutely a sufficient secondary source to mark Florida as Obama for now, and in the bizarre event of alien mind control rays + a wild recount that flips 50K votes, we can flip it to Romney. SnowFire ( talk) 01:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I Support adding Florida to the Obama column after noon EST today when the unofficial tally must be completed, provided that the margin remains over 0.5%. There is no reason to wait for anyone or anything else at that point. - Kai445 ( talk) 14:58, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I see that Florida has been re-added to Obama's electoral vote count, even though the state hasn't announced the results yet. I suppose it's futile to be accurate about this. GoodDay ( talk) 15:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove the following two paragraphs from the lead. They do not belong in this article. This article is about the presidential election only; there are no presidential election articles for any prior years that include content about any other races. There are separate articles where content about those races are supposed to go: United States elections, 2012, United States Senate elections, 2012, United States House of Representatives elections, 2012 and United States gubernatorial elections, 2012.
Thanks. -- 76.189.101.221 ( talk) 04:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Not done Wait until the traffic equalizes - give it a week at least. Right now it is at 182,776
[13] vs. 6,969
[14]. The other article needs to be worked on as well, which hopefully will happen in the next few weeks.
Apteva (
talk) 05:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Politics outside the two-party system has been widely discussed in the media. I don't see how that can be undue weight. Pass a Method talk 20:44, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
(deindent). Our 'unspoken policy' here is to only put them in the lead if they have 5% of popular vote or 1 pleged electoral vote. Gary Johnson has neither. He is in the article, just not in the lead. gwickwire | Leave a message 22:00, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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I believe the sentence
"The election marked the first time since 1972 that both members of a major-party presidential ticket did not win the electoral votes of their home states."
is not correct. Obama won the electoral votes of his home state of IL. Romney did not win the electorial votes of his home state of MA. This information is taken from the Electorial Vote map publish on this wikipedia page, and also from many newspapers. 144.189.100.28 ( talk) 23:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
At least from my browser, the "Major third parties" section seems a bit messy. The maps don't seem to line up quite right. I would think that each party would start on its own line left justified as the Libertarian Party header is. I also think that perhaps the "Major third parties" should just be eliminated and each party having a section as the Democrat and Republican Party do. I think that currently it would not be NPOV since it is severely biased toward two parties. The "third party candidates" regardless of how may votes they may have gotten, were still on the ballot in nearly all the states. It might be a good idea to include other third party candidates that ran for each third party. For example the Green Party had other candidates besides Jill Stein. [5] This would then be at least consistent between the parties. Busfault ( talk) 11:53, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2012_General_Election_Results_by_County.png
First thing I noticed was Alachua County in Florida, which is colored in red but went to Obama. I'm looking to see if there are any other errors for either candidate, but I'm not good with editing these maps, so if someone could fix it and other errors caught, it would be great! Frightwolf ( talk) 15:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Under Green Party, "Write-in Access" it gives a sizeable list of states, followed by "11 electoral votes." I didn't do the math, because 11 electoral votes is impossible for the list of states given. The overall total number of electoral votes the Green Party had access to uses the 11 electoral vote figure, and is also incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.147.104 ( talk) 21:59, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
My mistake, I see how it works now. Please ignore this post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.147.104 ( talk) 22:02, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
"Global stock markets fell ... Specifically ..."
Our three specifics are all from USA. --three American market indexes if I understand correctly. -- P64 ( talk) 23:48, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
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According to CNN, Obama leads Romney 28-14. Romney and Obama are tied in
Dixville Notch with 5 apiece. In
Hart's Location, Obama leads Romney 23-9. If you could add these to the table, I'd be happy.
TruPepitoM
Talk To Me 05:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Puerto Rican status referendum, 2012.
Why is there no mention of this in the opening paragraph, after it mentions the concurrent senate, house, and governorship elections?
Lionboy-Renae ( talk) 19:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Polls closing time should also be given in GMT in paranthesis since wikipedia has a global and not only American readership. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.140.67.60 ( talk) 21:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Is there any updated cartogram available ? Yug (talk) 03:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Fixed I thought we had a separate WP article for the election results each state. I can't find that at the moment. --
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Fixed I'm puzzled as Fox News is calling Wisconsin for Obama with 12% of the vote counted and Romney leading 230,000 to 172,000 votes. At this instant it's 15% counted and still at 240,000 to 212,000 in Romney's favor. Thus I wanted to look at the WP article for Wisconsin to see if they used some method other than majority vote for the entire state. --
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Better get ready, looks like projections are calling for Obama's re-election now. Canuck89 (what's up?) 04:20, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
The Republicans do have a point as of now if the totals end and they are within 250,000 votes then we wont know the official results of the election until 10 days later, of course this is if Obama wins no more major states this is just a thing to keep in mind and watch. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 04:36, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I retracted it for now, waiting for more results to change, notwithstanding the media. CrazyC83 ( talk) 05:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes right now it is unsourced but I think that when the official results do come in we can always redo it to show this, I dont want to lose all of the linked articles by stste for this election in one easy to find place. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 06:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Really all the states are decided other than FL. They are no longer projections. That NYT link which shows which networks have called which states is no longer current. I say get rid of all the projection (e.g. (Consensus projection)) comments. Also the NE comment about 4th and 5th is probably very old. 96.234.3.57 ( talk) 10:35, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
It seems silly to devote so much space in the Lead to the four "mathematically eligible" candidates who never attracted any noticeable following. Suggest the paragraph about them be deleted from the Lead; the issue and references can all be covered in the body of the article. Parkwells ( talk) 16:46, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Arkansas should be AR in the election cartogram at the bottom of the article. Instead it is AK, which Alaska (which is also correctly identified as AK). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.185.6.158 ( talk) 17:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't believe that Virgil Goode would only attain ~4,000 votes across all the nation, so I did a hand state by state count; he actually has at the moment 113,990 votes. I'll do similar counts with other candidates just to see if they are also off, though I doubt it will be to that degree. -- Ariostos ( talk) 19:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Maps need updating.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.26.136.14 ( talk) 19:27, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
This article says "Specifically, the Dow Jones Industrial Average, NASDAQ and S&P 500 all fell over 2 percent the day after the election.[121]."
Excuse me. I'm writing this at 14:54 Eastern time on "the day after the election." THE MARKET IS STILL OPEN!
WHAT ON EARTH ARE WE DOING HERE?????
Poihths ( talk) 19:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
It seems silly to try and say that this is a reaction to Obama being re-elected, as Wall Street loves Obama. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.115.47.163 ( talk) 22:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Done
This is by no means a necessary edit; however, with the important ballot initiatives that are mentioned (including legalizing marijuana in Washington and Colorado) I think it is extremely important to mention that Maryland, Maine, and Washington all legalized same sex marriage by POPULAR VOTE. Same sex marriage has been proposed to the people via referendum 32 times before, and all 32 times it was struck down. This is an extremely historical occurance to have these states agree by popular vote to legalize same sex marriage. This is my suggestion to add to that section. Thank you! — Preceding
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129.2.129.108 (
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Here is how I think it should be handled:
I think it will be hard to do the tables in advance of the official results being published state by state. As I see that the Secretries of State or other official election boards are publishing the vote results with 100% precincts, I've been adding them to the appropriate state pages, but most states don't have all of the votes in at this point. Once they do, it should be a rather quick table to put together. Smooth pappa ( talk) 02:41, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Please consider converting the bullets in the Debate Section into a Table. 64.128.27.82 ( talk) 15:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Date | Moderator [1] | Debate [2] | Location |
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Wednesday October 3 | Jim Lehrer | First presidential debate | University of Denver in Denver, Colorado. |
Thursday October 11 | Martha Raddatz | Vice-presidential debate | Centre College in Danville, Kentucky. |
Tuesday October 16 | Candy Crowley | Second presidential debate | Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. |
Monday October 22 | Bob Schieffer | Third presidential debate | Lynn University in Boca Raton, Florida. |
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Done
It should be added in some section that in New Jersey law allowed voting by email.
[3]
When is the estimate for adding the main third party results to the article? (Libertarian and Green, namely, although Constitution and Justice would be interesting information somewhere lower.) I collect information on third party results and need the numbers. Coolgamer ( talk) 19:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
This is what Google had:
Candidate | Party | Percent | Vote | Electoral Votes |
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Barack Obama | Democrat | 50.3% | 60,398,485 | 303 |
Mitt Romney | Republican | 48.1% | 57,598,903 | 206 |
Gary Johnson | Libertarian | 1.0% | 1,139,562 | 0 |
Jill Stein | Green Party | 0.3% | 396,684 | 0 |
Roseanne Barr | Peace and Freedom Party | <0.1% | 49,426 | 0 |
Rocky Anderson | Justice party | <0.1% | 34,521 | 0 |
Tom Hoefling | America's Party | <0.1% | 28,594 | 0 |
Jerry Litzel | Independent? | <0.1% | 12,984 | 0 |
Jeff Boss | Independent | <0.1% | 12,984 | 0 |
Randall Terry | Independent? | <0.1% | 12,985 | 0 |
Merlin Miller | American Third Position Party | <0.1% | 12,894 | 0 |
Jill Reed | Independent? | <0.1% | 12,108 | 0 |
Richard Duncan | Independent? | <0.1% | 12,108 | 0 |
Andre Barnett | Reform Party USA | <0.1% | 4,711 | 0 |
Chuck Baldwin | *Reform Party (Kansas) | <0.1% | 4,711 | 0 |
Barbara Washer | Independent? | <0.1% | 4,711 | 0 |
Tom Stevens | Objectivist Party | <0.1% | 4,013 | 0 |
Stewart Alexander | Socialist Party USA | <0.1% | 3,897 | 0 |
Virgil Goode | Constitution Party | <0.1% | 3,819 | 0 |
Will Christensen | *American Independent Party | <0.1% | 3,819 | 0 |
James Harris | *Socialist Workers Party | <0.1% | 3,437 | 0 |
Jim Carlson | Grassroots Party | <0.1% | 3,169 | 0 |
Sheila Tittle | *Independent | <0.1% | 2,499 | 0 |
Peta Lindsay | *Party for Socialism and Liberation | <0.1% | 1,525 | 0 |
Gloria La Riva | *Party for Socialism and Liberation (Iowa) | <0.1% | 1,525 | 0 |
Jerry White | Socialist Equality Party | <0.1% | 1,138 | 0 |
Dean Morstad | *Independent | <0.1% | 1,107 | 0 |
Jack Fellure | Prohibition Party | <0.1% | 519 | 0 |
None of these candidates | <0.1% | 5,753 | 0 |
Note that Tom Hoefling's vote count is listed twice on the website, as Tom and as Thomas. That there should be any counts that are identical is questionable. Votes are still being accepted until Friday, November 9 in New Jersey, so obviously final results will not be available for some time. Apteva ( talk) 22:21, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
There is mention in the lead about the marijuana, same-sex marriage, and Puerto Rico referendums. Although these items were on the ballots in various states at the same time as the presidential election, I don't think they have anything to do with electing a president. Why are these items in this article? 72Dino ( talk) 23:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I have removed Gary Johnson from the main infobox as he got only 1.1 million votes which was less than 1% of the total vote. The last candidate to get over 2 million votes was Green party candidate Ralph Nader back in 2000 as for being in the infobox with the Democrat and Republican this is for 1996 when with 8.4% of the vote Ross Perot got 8,085,294 total votes. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 05:56, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
This issue is dealt with in one of the message boxes at the top of the page, specifically the note that a candidate is put in the infobox if and only if they meet one of the following two conditions:
Since Johnson did neither, he should not be listed in the infobox. Canuck89 (chat with me) 07:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
An alternative idea would be to create a link at the bottom of the infobox for "Minor results" or a similar wording (e.g. "Other results", "Third Party Results", etc.). What does everyone think about that idea? 64.128.27.82 ( talk) 15:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Could we please have a map like this one Electoral county by county 2012? It is the best one I have seen anywhere. 91.39.97.80 ( talk) 08:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The preliminary report from OSCE: LIMITED ELECTION OBSERVATION MISSION - United States of America – General Elections, 6 November 201.
It is mostly general positive things like: "The 6 November general elections took place in a pluralistic environment and were administered in a professional manner." and "The election campaigns were vibrant and highly competitive." and "Overall, media is pluralistic and diverse and provided voters with a wide range of information and views on candidates, issues, and electoral platforms." and "The overall field of candidates provided voters with a wide degree of choice"
But also comments on voter eligbility: "US citizens who are at least 18 years old on election day and residents of a state were eligible to vote. Some 4.1 million citizens that are residents of US territories were not eligible to vote, while some 600,000 citizens that are residents of the District of Columbia were eligible to vote only for the president. An estimated 5.9 million citizens were disenfranchised due to a criminal conviction, including some 2.6 million citizens who have served their sentences. This is at odds with the principle of universal suffrage and the commitment to ensure proportionality in the restriction of voting rights as enshrined in paragraphs 7.3 and 24 of the 1990 OSCE Copenhagen Document."
And alsom comments on voter registration: "Voter registration is implemented at state level through an active system. A number of states launched initiatives to improve the accuracy of their voter lists. Civil society was active in encouraging citizens to register, as well as checking the accuracy of voter registers. Nevertheless an estimated 50 million eligible citizens were not registered to vote, bringing into question the effectiveness of existing measures to ensure that all persons entitled to vote are able to exercise that right."
Read the whole report to learn more. Some may be useful in the article Jack Bornholm ( talk) 14:52, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Florida.... must have Florida.... 188.221.129.72 ( talk) 15:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The sentence: Compared to John McCain's performance in the previous election, Romney gained the electoral votes of North Carolina, Indiana and Nebraska's 2nd congressional district. Should be changed to: Compared to John McCain's performance in the previous election, Romney gained the electoral votes of North Carolina and Indiana, but lost Nebraska's 2nd congressional district. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.16.3 ( talk) 20:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry; thanks for correcting my mistake; I'll read more carefully next time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.32.16.3 ( talk) 22:09, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
This section was also added by request (one even wanted a voter guide so they would know how to vote). Some of the election issues are very well known and clearly should be included. While this was titles "Campaign issues" it was not intended to be a list of all the campaign elements, just those that affected the election. It was not added until after the election was over because it was not intended to be a voter guide, but a guide to what issues were the most important. [3] Apteva ( talk) 23:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
A comparison of the first to last edit does not show much change. [4] I actually did not want to create the content, but just add a boilerplate with the hope that others would add the content. I only put in the items that seemed to be mentioned the most. It is possible that immigration could be mentioned. Evidently religion was made a non-issue because Obama did not want it to backfire. Apteva ( talk) 23:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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President Obama has won Florida. Requesting to update information in number of electoral votes, electoral college map, percentage of votes, and number of votes. http://ivn.us/2012/11/08/president-obama-wins-florida-with-the-independent-vote/ Wadeappleby ( talk) 00:23, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Warning Just a friendly reminder, keep the RR's down to three.
United States presidential election, 2012 is subject to sanctions, see
Wikipedia:General sanctions/2012 Presidential Campaign/Log.
Apteva (
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The 2012 election was also the first time that a senator won an election against a Governor. In fact, in all previous bids for reelection by an incumbent which failed, the winner was a Governor and the incumbent was never a Governor, except for Jimmy Carter. Barryfadams ( talk) 14:33, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Mitt Romney is making an concession speech right now. It is over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.99.73 ( talk) 05:56, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Romney made his concession speech... Obama surpassed Romney's votes... I would have to say he's won. JoThousand ( talk) 06:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/08/3087995/romney-campaign-we-lost-florida.html
UPDATE THIS ARTICLE! ITS OVER! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.23.59 ( talk) 22:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
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| electoral_vote1 = 332 69.113.48.157 ( talk) 23:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Done. But not necessarily now. FYI, that consensus, while noble, was immediately and consistently ignored. But please quit edit warring over this issue as doing so will get the article being locked down and somebody being blocked.
Apteva (
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Done
If there is some rationale for not clearly stating the winner in the lead paragraph or two at this point, can that rationale itself be stated? Compare this lead to the lead of the 2008 election article, in which, like any good newspaper story, the first sentence states the most important and relevant information: that this election had a winner, and who it was. In contrast, this article's lead contains a lot arguably esoteric data about timing and projections, only to have a passing reference to Obama winning deep within the intro. If there's some reason for consensus around not declaring Obama the winner yet (votes not certified? Electors haven't met?), could someone add that to the lead? Because the omission of a direct, simple mention in the opening graf or two of the fact that Obama won is a little strange.
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When I encountered it, article's lead said:
I've removed that line because it's misleading. It ignores the fact that FDR, though he got more electoral votes in 1936 than 1932, got fewer electoral votes in 1940 than in either previous contest, and the fewest of all in 1944. The common sense reading of this statement will be one in which the reader infers "re-election", or "final run for the White House" and not strictly "second term".
I think it's also too narrowly construed. Truman had a second term, even if his first was not one in which he was at the top of the ticket. He won fewer votes as a Presidential candidate than a Vice Presidential one. The same phenomenon is true of Coolidge, too — though obviously not of LBJ.
I also think it's a fairly trivial negative point to make in the lead. Of all the negative inferences that could be made about Obama's performance now versus 2008, his electoral vote count is not a particularly strong one. His electoral victory slipped from 67.84 to 61.71. Assuming Florida goes his way. he'll have beat both challengers by basically 2:1, for a total batting average of 64.77. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 06:07, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
All the ballots still have not been counted, no major network has projected a winner in Florida, and both the Obama and Romney campaigns are indicating that Obama probably won Florida, so why is the state red on the map here?-- 50.4.162.0 ( talk) 11:16, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the following paragraph from 2012 United States presidential election/Archive 12#Election:
This graf was in the middle of a portion of the article that was talking about genuine firsts (i.e. first evers) and was thus incongruous. I've no real objection to it being included somewhere in the article, but it certainly didn't belong where it was. It should be in another section which tries to delineate some of the characteristics of the election, such as the changing demographics captured by exit polls, the role bad polling had in allowing a number of news outlets to mischaracterize the race as a "tossup", the nature of the coalition of women and minorities Obama used to win, the diminished votes of third party candidates as compared with other elections since 1992, and other characteristics. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 12:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I was unable to find a simple, easy-to-read spreadsheet with the popular vote in each state and the national totals so I've created one which I'm updating with the latest information. The link is below:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFp2dUlkNWlJeGN5NFUxa0F3cXpoLXc#gid=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajs41 ( talk • contribs) 14:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I see why you want to get a start, but it's probably worth pointing out that a lot of the numbers can change, as states begin to certify the results. As of last night, when I was digging around, a lot of states had not yet received 100% of the vote yet. As of right now, for example, Washington has appx. 600,000 ballots yet to be counted. Smooth pappa ( talk) 16:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Obama: 332
Romney: 206 [6]
Romney conceded Florida [7]
Can we update it now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Partyclams ( talk • contribs) 23:22, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
"The election marked the first time since 1972 that both members of a major-party presidential ticket did not win the electoral votes of their home states."
This is inaccurate as Al Gore lost Tennessee in 2000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.178.82.154 ( talk) 23:52, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
He said first time that BOTH candidates lost their home states. Joe Lieberman won Connecticut. 72.92.235.239 ( talk) 00:27, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
This should be a trivial move - to United States presidential election of 2012. The rationale that we have always done it this way "All of the presidential election articles currently have the same title format I feel there should at least be a d" not withstanding. Apteva ( talk) 22:00, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Why is Florida being added to Obama's total? The state hasn't decided yet. GoodDay ( talk) 00:10, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Lots of things are "possible." However, Obama has a lead that is greater than the amount that would trigger a mandatory recount, and the areas left uncounted are indisputably thought to favor Obama. I see above that the networks "calling" a state was considered good enough for purposes here; the Romney campaign making an "admission against interest" certainly qualifies as far, far more trustworthy than television networks (which are not reporting on it because the election is over and it's a footnote).
I'm not sure if you misread my meaning intentionally or if I was unclear or what, but by "dispute" I mean dispute in the sense of "contend for" not "object to." Thus the Obama campaign is absolutely disputing for California in the sense of "claiming to have won it." The Romney campaign is not claiming to have won (=disputing) Florida.
I could go further into why there's approximately a 99.999999999% chance that Obama will be declared the winner of Florida, but even if you think it's more like a 99.8% chance, our opinions don't matter here. The Romney concession is absolutely a sufficient secondary source to mark Florida as Obama for now, and in the bizarre event of alien mind control rays + a wild recount that flips 50K votes, we can flip it to Romney. SnowFire ( talk) 01:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I Support adding Florida to the Obama column after noon EST today when the unofficial tally must be completed, provided that the margin remains over 0.5%. There is no reason to wait for anyone or anything else at that point. - Kai445 ( talk) 14:58, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
I see that Florida has been re-added to Obama's electoral vote count, even though the state hasn't announced the results yet. I suppose it's futile to be accurate about this. GoodDay ( talk) 15:36, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove the following two paragraphs from the lead. They do not belong in this article. This article is about the presidential election only; there are no presidential election articles for any prior years that include content about any other races. There are separate articles where content about those races are supposed to go: United States elections, 2012, United States Senate elections, 2012, United States House of Representatives elections, 2012 and United States gubernatorial elections, 2012.
Thanks. -- 76.189.101.221 ( talk) 04:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Not done Wait until the traffic equalizes - give it a week at least. Right now it is at 182,776
[13] vs. 6,969
[14]. The other article needs to be worked on as well, which hopefully will happen in the next few weeks.
Apteva (
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Politics outside the two-party system has been widely discussed in the media. I don't see how that can be undue weight. Pass a Method talk 20:44, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
(deindent). Our 'unspoken policy' here is to only put them in the lead if they have 5% of popular vote or 1 pleged electoral vote. Gary Johnson has neither. He is in the article, just not in the lead. gwickwire | Leave a message 22:00, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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I believe the sentence
"The election marked the first time since 1972 that both members of a major-party presidential ticket did not win the electoral votes of their home states."
is not correct. Obama won the electoral votes of his home state of IL. Romney did not win the electorial votes of his home state of MA. This information is taken from the Electorial Vote map publish on this wikipedia page, and also from many newspapers. 144.189.100.28 ( talk) 23:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
At least from my browser, the "Major third parties" section seems a bit messy. The maps don't seem to line up quite right. I would think that each party would start on its own line left justified as the Libertarian Party header is. I also think that perhaps the "Major third parties" should just be eliminated and each party having a section as the Democrat and Republican Party do. I think that currently it would not be NPOV since it is severely biased toward two parties. The "third party candidates" regardless of how may votes they may have gotten, were still on the ballot in nearly all the states. It might be a good idea to include other third party candidates that ran for each third party. For example the Green Party had other candidates besides Jill Stein. [5] This would then be at least consistent between the parties. Busfault ( talk) 11:53, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2012_General_Election_Results_by_County.png
First thing I noticed was Alachua County in Florida, which is colored in red but went to Obama. I'm looking to see if there are any other errors for either candidate, but I'm not good with editing these maps, so if someone could fix it and other errors caught, it would be great! Frightwolf ( talk) 15:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Under Green Party, "Write-in Access" it gives a sizeable list of states, followed by "11 electoral votes." I didn't do the math, because 11 electoral votes is impossible for the list of states given. The overall total number of electoral votes the Green Party had access to uses the 11 electoral vote figure, and is also incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.147.104 ( talk) 21:59, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
My mistake, I see how it works now. Please ignore this post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.147.104 ( talk) 22:02, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
"Global stock markets fell ... Specifically ..."
Our three specifics are all from USA. --three American market indexes if I understand correctly. -- P64 ( talk) 23:48, 10 November 2012 (UTC)