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Can we please have an explanation as to who or what SAME is? Mjroots ( talk) 12:07, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
The lede currently refers to a locomotive, but the image shows hat seems to be a multiple unit. Which is the case? Can anyone give more details on the type and ID of the train involved in this sad incident? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Best regards, Alpertron ( talk) 20:39, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
While accepting the scale of the accident probably warrants the term "disaster", does this title adequately describe the incident uniquely? This is not the first major rail crash in Buenos Aires, and the term "disaster" could equally be applied to the September 2011 accident in the barrio of Flores, in which 11 were killed and 200 injured when two trains collided with a bus on a level crossing. Surprisingly we do not yet have an article on the English Wikipedia, but there is one on the Spanish Wikipedia. Perhaps 2012 Buenos Aires rail disaster would be a better title. Skinsmoke ( talk) 16:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Regrettably it has proved necessary to semi-protect the article for a few days due to IP vandalism. Being on the MP means that the article is getting lots of attention, which also means lots of unconstructive editing by IPs and non-confirmed editors. Any editor wishing to make a constructive contribution is welcome to raise the issue on this talk page. Mjroots ( talk) 18:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 06:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Buenos Aires rail disaster → 2012 Buenos Aires rail disaster – See #Title for a discussion about the name. Cambalachero ( talk) 19:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Which agency will investigate the disaster? That agency needs to have a Wikipedia article. I recently started articles on various investigation agencies of rail accidents around the world. WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Third sentence in first paragraph 'There were about 1,000 passengers on board the train, which failed to stop and hit the buffers...' should read 'There were about 1,000 passengers on board the train, which failed to stop and INSTEAD hit the buffers...' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.226.132 ( talk) 07:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello? The name, "once de Septiembre," means, "September 11!"
re that 3rd sentence, "buffers" needs defining/explaining. 67.171.186.151 ( talk) 01:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
ah, now i understand re buffers. to be clear, my previous comment began with "re that 3rd..."; the comment before mine re sept 11 is from someone else. 67.171.186.151 ( talk) 07:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
They just found another body, victim no. 51 was between cars 3 and 4, which weren't checked for survivors by emergency services. February 24, 17:54 . 57 hours after the incident. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1451301-a-48-horas-del-choque-la-madre-de-lucas-clama-nadie-desaparece-no-hay-que-descansar-en-la-busqueda (Spanish) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.50.180.50 ( talk) 20:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
About "Minister Julio de Vido announced that the presidency would initiate a lawsuit against TBA, the owners of the Sarmiento line" I read all the reference and it don't appear any word of the "lawsuit against TBA".-- Bsea ( talk) 16:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Consensus appears to be against the move at this time. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 05:29, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
2012 Buenos Aires rail disaster →
Once rail disaster – The usual convention for incidents occurring in metropolitan areas is to use the name of the station or locality. Note that the Spanish language article
es:Accidente ferroviario de Once de 2012 uses the station name, although I don't think the year is necessary as there aren't any articles on other incidents at that station.
EdC (
talk) 18:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
The time of the incident is not stated anywhere in the article. Various media reports [2] [3] indicate that the incident happened at 8:33 ART when train 16 operating the Moreno-Once service 3772 crashed into Once station's buffers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.244.141.91 ( talk) 22:22, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
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Can we please have an explanation as to who or what SAME is? Mjroots ( talk) 12:07, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
The lede currently refers to a locomotive, but the image shows hat seems to be a multiple unit. Which is the case? Can anyone give more details on the type and ID of the train involved in this sad incident? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Best regards, Alpertron ( talk) 20:39, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
While accepting the scale of the accident probably warrants the term "disaster", does this title adequately describe the incident uniquely? This is not the first major rail crash in Buenos Aires, and the term "disaster" could equally be applied to the September 2011 accident in the barrio of Flores, in which 11 were killed and 200 injured when two trains collided with a bus on a level crossing. Surprisingly we do not yet have an article on the English Wikipedia, but there is one on the Spanish Wikipedia. Perhaps 2012 Buenos Aires rail disaster would be a better title. Skinsmoke ( talk) 16:20, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Regrettably it has proved necessary to semi-protect the article for a few days due to IP vandalism. Being on the MP means that the article is getting lots of attention, which also means lots of unconstructive editing by IPs and non-confirmed editors. Any editor wishing to make a constructive contribution is welcome to raise the issue on this talk page. Mjroots ( talk) 18:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 06:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Buenos Aires rail disaster → 2012 Buenos Aires rail disaster – See #Title for a discussion about the name. Cambalachero ( talk) 19:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Which agency will investigate the disaster? That agency needs to have a Wikipedia article. I recently started articles on various investigation agencies of rail accidents around the world. WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Third sentence in first paragraph 'There were about 1,000 passengers on board the train, which failed to stop and hit the buffers...' should read 'There were about 1,000 passengers on board the train, which failed to stop and INSTEAD hit the buffers...' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.226.132 ( talk) 07:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello? The name, "once de Septiembre," means, "September 11!"
re that 3rd sentence, "buffers" needs defining/explaining. 67.171.186.151 ( talk) 01:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
ah, now i understand re buffers. to be clear, my previous comment began with "re that 3rd..."; the comment before mine re sept 11 is from someone else. 67.171.186.151 ( talk) 07:43, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
They just found another body, victim no. 51 was between cars 3 and 4, which weren't checked for survivors by emergency services. February 24, 17:54 . 57 hours after the incident. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1451301-a-48-horas-del-choque-la-madre-de-lucas-clama-nadie-desaparece-no-hay-que-descansar-en-la-busqueda (Spanish) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.50.180.50 ( talk) 20:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
About "Minister Julio de Vido announced that the presidency would initiate a lawsuit against TBA, the owners of the Sarmiento line" I read all the reference and it don't appear any word of the "lawsuit against TBA".-- Bsea ( talk) 16:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Consensus appears to be against the move at this time. Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 05:29, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
2012 Buenos Aires rail disaster →
Once rail disaster – The usual convention for incidents occurring in metropolitan areas is to use the name of the station or locality. Note that the Spanish language article
es:Accidente ferroviario de Once de 2012 uses the station name, although I don't think the year is necessary as there aren't any articles on other incidents at that station.
EdC (
talk) 18:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
The time of the incident is not stated anywhere in the article. Various media reports [2] [3] indicate that the incident happened at 8:33 ART when train 16 operating the Moreno-Once service 3772 crashed into Once station's buffers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.244.141.91 ( talk) 22:22, 25 February 2012 (UTC)