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Now that it has been established that this was essentially a military style battle, isn't it appropriate to put in a full Battle information box such as the Battle of wanat which was a remote Afghan outpost that was hit and partially overrun by a combined Taliban and Al Qaeda force with similar numbers of commandos and firepower? The September 2012 Camp Bastion raid appears to be another battle that was part of this "outrage over the video" military campaign, as with the cyber attacks on US banks credited to Iran. Is there some central place that lists all of the attacks associated with the Innocence of Muslims movie? There has been speculation by Walid Shoebat that maker of the anti-Islam movie clearly associates with Arab fraud artists who appear to be funding terrorism, and the filmmaker's own statements make him out to be an Islamic scholar who as read the Koran and Hadith and hundreds of Islamic books who was observed by his cellmate to read the Korean. That he was rarely seen in any Coptic church may indicate that identity is just as false as his claim to be an Israeli.
If any direct link can be established between those that sponsored the film and those who promoted the anti-embassy riot in Cairo or Benghazi, then the film very much could be not only related but an integral part of the attack. Shoebat notes that the Sam Bacile youtube channel has links through comments and favorites to Wisam Abdul Waris, Waris and Nader Bakkar Bakkar, who were identified September 13th [1] as being the two primary culprits behind the Cairo riots on 9/11. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redhanker ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
These people were clearly not from the neighborhood, and not your typical ex-school teacher or shopkeeper with no combat experience like most of the Feb 17 brigade guards. They had foreign accents,and were later arrested or killed all over the middle east from Tunisia to Egypt. That is the hallmark of a pan-Arab/islamist force such as Al Qaeda, Taliban and the combined force that hit the outpost at Wanat. The attackers in Benghazi had mortar skills honed well enough to kill rooftop machine gunners on the roof in only 3 shots, so they might well be veterans of Wanat where RPG fire was accurate enough to take out the mortar pit and TOW launcher at the beginning of the fight.
There is a narrative that these were just random neighborhood militia people in a game of pickup terrorist attack without planning, and that security was adequate in light of intelligence, and that the president is doing everything possible to secure the welfare of Americans under attack, and to identify and punish the attackers as soon as possible. That should obviously be seen as a misleading cover story being promoted by everyone from the Libyan government to Morsi, Iran and even the Obama administration. The opposite of that narrative is that it was a planned operation coordinated with a video that was specially produced and promoted as cover for the attacks. The filmmaker's own statements is that he an Islamic scholar. He was associated with fraudsters supporting terrorists, and has falsely claimed to be anti-Islamic, Israeli and Copt in an attempt to harm the groups he claims to be a part of.
The opposite narrative is that an obviously highly trained force executed a complex plan that aligned with forces that fly the same black flag as Al Qaeda, in the context of increasing presence of Al Qaeda assisted by Egypt and Iran, and they were just as skilled as the specially trained teams sent to Wanat and Camp Bastion. They were hindered by a CIA, Pentagon and White House that told the forces in the area to stand down and declined to send additional help, and initially denied there was any early evidence the attacks were planned by terrorists That alternative is only being promoted by Fox and rightbloggers while the western and Arab mainstream media is promoting the prior narrative. Both narratives should have a place in this article. Redhanker ( talk) 18:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
This video [3] shows the huge Benghazi Ansar Al-Sharia (Arabic for the Freedom Fighters No Longer Known As Al Qaeda) rally in June where you can see various kinds of pickup trucks with distinctive markings mounting machine guns up to 14.5mm which may be been the very vehicles and people in Afghan garb who participated in the raid. In the second video on this page you can see two camo crew-cab pickups in ansar al-sharia markings parked outside the burning building. It is too bad that according to the president and secretary of state that there weren't any obvious clues as to what organization or militia might have been involved in this attack, or who might have been the leader. Redhanker ( talk) 14:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
It looks like the US embassies in Africa and Pakistan have standardized on armored Toyota Land Cruisers that have taken a beating in other attacks that so far have not been linked, but may well be linked to this attack as the latest in a string of attacks against US diplomats, with the first in pakistan as revenge for killing Bin Laden by Al Qaeda allied terrorists. Vehicles on the Fox recreation look like a Tahoe, but there were clearly Land Cruisers among the torched vehicles. Could somebody do some research on who makes these, and what they are proof against? These took direct point-blank fire from AK-47 with 7.62 ammo, and grenades exploding beneath the vehicle, and drove with 2 flat tires. Fortunately it escaped fire by quad 14.5mm guns which could make swiss cheese out of a Bradley. It does not look like Embassies are equipped with armored humvees with roof mounted guns like the ones assigned to guard troop convoys. There may be enough incidents to create an article just about attacks on US diplomatic vehicles, of which this is just the latest one. Redhanker ( talk) 14:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
http://freetown.usembassy.gov/business_opportunities.html Items to be acquired by us embassy Freetown, Sierra Leone, 3 Toyota Land Cruisers 200 Station Wagon STD V8 Twin TD 9 seats Manual Transmission
May 20, 2011 Associated Press May 20: Pakistani police officers gather around a vehicle damaged in a roadside bomb explosion in Peshawar, Pakistan. (AP) PESHAWAR, Pakistan – A Taliban car bomb struck an armored vehicle taking American officials to the U.S consulate in northwest Pakistan on Friday, officials said, in a strike the militants said was in revenge for the raid that killed Usama bin Laden. Two Americans suffered minor injuries, but one Pakistani passer-by was killed and at least 10 others were wounded in the attack in the city of Peshawar, officials said. The strike was the first on Westerners since the May 2 raid by American commandos on bin Laden's hideout in an army town around three hours from Peshawar. Read more: [4]
So-called Taliban attack on U.S. consulate convoy in Pakistan (Updated 11:00 AM ET) "Peshawar police chief Liaqat Ali told reporters the booby-trapped car appeared to have been parked at the side of the road and exploded as one consulate vehicle was near, forcing it to slam into an electricity pole." A Taliban group is claiming responsibility for the bombing but the modus operandi doesn't look like Taliban to me, and I don't think Taliban or al Qaeda in Pakistan have the kind of surveillance capabilities that would allow them to pinpoint when to detonate the booby-trapped car. [5]
U.K.) Daily Mail report 20th May 2011:
An American diplomatic convoy was hit by a car bomb in Pakistan this morning in the latest attack in a surge of violence since Osama Bin Laden was killed. One local resident was killed and another 11 injured in the attack but no Americans were seriously wounded. Two American security guards were slightly hurt. The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for detonating the 110-lb car bomb as the convoy from the US consulate passed in an area where many Western diplomats live.
[6] AP Exclusive: US Embassy car was targeted in Mexico attack on CIA officers BY E. EDUARDO CASTILLO, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS OCTOBER 2, 2012 FILE - In this Aug. 24, 2012. file photo, an armored U.S. embassy vehicle is checked by military personal after it was attacked by unknown assailants on the highway leading to the city of Cuernavaca, near Tres Marias, Mexico. A senior U.S. official says there is strong circumstantial evidence that Mexican federal police who fired on a U.S. embassy vehicle, wounding two CIA agents, were working for organized crime on a targeted assassination attempt. (AP Photo/Alexandre Meneghini, File)
Happened on 9-11, yet is not linked as a terrorist attack. Hasn't this been confirmed now? -- College Watch ( talk) 00:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, the former SEALs killed in the attack, are listed in this article as being part of the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service. The previous time this was brought there was no actual evidence supplied that either were DSS. Woods was cited in a funeral press release as being "stationed with the Diplomatic Security Service" but in gov/mil lingo this can mean many things. Contractors can be "with" any agency providing services without actually being part of that agency, it's one of the attributes which makes them contractors. There is no citation at all for Doherty being "with" or "in" the DSS.
DSS agents are not simply security guards, they're sworn law enforcement officers and direct GS employees of the federal government. I see no evidence that Doherty or Woods were either and, in fact, most press releases have rather decidedly declined to identify who Woods' and Doherty's actual employers were and what the specific nature of their work in Benghazi was, aside from general assertions of "security". All references to these two men being DSS should be removed until an actual citation can be provided identifying either of them as DSS agents. TomPointTwo ( talk) 10:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
This article at Fox News identifies both men as being with the CIA, which makes much more sense. Doherty is specifically identified as, and Woods is alluded to being, in the CIA's Global Response Staff which provides security to the CIA through contracted former military personnel. At the very least all references to them being DSS should be removed until the picture is made more clear as additional biographical and operational information emerges. TomPointTwo ( talk) 17:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
References
This section is a continuation from the archived section. Again, I am nominating this page for {{ POV-check}} until the 2012 United States elections is over. My concern is with the allegation of cover-up and duplicity by the U.S. administration under Barack Obama on the Benghazi attack, which cause his supporters to remove any facts that may incriminate him, and his opponents to expand on facts to criticize him. Let's focus on what had happened, not what should have happened. The investigation timeline can used to place uncategorized and unsummarized facts until the election is over. Thank you. — Hasdi Bravo • 20:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
What are the specific POV concerns with this article? If there are no specific concerns to be addressed the POV tag should be removed. -- Gibberologist ( talk) 00:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Then why is it included?
"Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer told Fox News that he has sources saying President Obama was in the White House Situation Room watching the assault unfold in real time.[180] However, Obama was visiting wounded veterans at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Maryland for about two-and-a-half hours around that time-frame.[181]" 50.54.233.7 ( talk) 15:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Bla, bla, bla.... Fact is: the Government knew about the attacks not been linked to some video. The government was informed, that Stevens multiple times asked for additional security. Woods and Doherty themselves asked for backup thrice, knowing that there was a platoon of marines not one hour away from the scene. 2 aircraft bases not one hour away frome the scene, AC130 Gunships being available. Parts of the government watched Woods and Doherty die from the situationroom and did nothing. Obama called the Seals and they got Bin Laden. When the Seals called Obama, they got denied. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.156.68.147 ( talk) 13:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Attention, CBS News just reported that Diplomatic Security agent Scott Strickland, not David Ubben as reported by The Daily Beast, [15] was the one who escorted Stevens and Smith into the "safe haven". We may need to update this as the conflicting information is sorted out by the media. — Hasdi Bravo • 16:27, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
The US does not have an embassy, a consulate, or a diplomatic mission in Benghazi. There are none listed on this State Department list of all the US embassies and consulates in the world. http://www.usembassy.gov/
On September 12, 2012, SecState Clinton made two statements. She never used the word “consulate.” To describe the place that was attacked in Benghazi she used instead the words ‘U.S. diplomatic post, compound, our buildings and our office.’ http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197654.htm http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197630.htm
It's unclear exactly what diplomatic status the Benghazi compound had. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.142.7 ( talk) 06:42, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
What happened to the Talk page archives from last month? I'm trying to find that nice resource list I compiled. Help! -- Cirrus Editor ( talk) 23:38, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
I remove the following original research:
The source sited does not mention or refute the preceeding claims made that Obama was watching the attack in real time. Neither does the source relate specifically to the topic of this article. Given the lack of direct connections to this article found within the source this content constitutes original research.
-- Gibberologist ( talk) 00:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
The article refers to the CIA annex as a diplomatic compound in numerous locations. More and more information is coming out pointing to the CIA Annex as being a secret detention center. Of course, the CIA denies this and will continue to deny for as long as they possibly can. I think there is enough evidence out now that the article should stop referring to it as a diplomatic compound. Before I make any changes I'd like to get some feedback from more experienced editors. Eventually the title of the entry may need to be revised as well but I'm unsure of the procedure to do so. Byates5637 ( talk) 15:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
I'd also add that if there is not yet enough verifiable information to refer to the CIA annex as a detention center, I don't think there is any reason to continue to refer to it as a diplomatic compound either. The mission of the CIA is not and has never been to conduct diplomacy. Byates5637 ( talk) 15:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
There is a ton of superflous information here. I am going to remove the paragraphs that describe various politicians reaction to the deaths. The election is over now and I do not think that any of this is notable anymore. If you disagree, lets discuss here exactly how much should be included. Furthermore, I think the biographies of Doherty and Woods are out of place here and should be removed. Opinions? Byates5637 ( talk) 15:31, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
If the quotes are sourced and here then it's attributable and someone thought it was notable. Why don't you start with specific examples and then follow up with why you think the additions are not relevant to the scope of the article. Bear in mind that the notability litmus for articles is not the same for the content within those articles. See WP:N. As for the more in depth biographical content of the deceased, I'm inclined to agree. I would say biographical information pertinent to the incident at hand is the appropriate scope over content for persons involved, i.e. professional status/history, notable personality traits relevant to decision making, etc. We don't need to know what high school they went to or how many kids they had. TomPointTwo ( talk) 09:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Picture of Woods' funeral could be removed, too. I don't know what this adds to the article. However, if anyone knows how to get a new satellite image of the two compounds, THERE'S a photo the article needs! -- Cirrus Editor ( talk) 01:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
FYI, the resolution in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glen Doherty on others is to WP:MERGE not WP:DELETE. If you we are going to trim down their bio this much, we might as well recreate their pages. Why don't look at other examples on how to handle "minor characters" (e.g., Characters of Glee), where only major character are notable enough to have their own page but bios on minor characters are simply consolidated on one page? Gah, I'd revert this but I get deadlines until the Christmas break. :-( — Hasdi Bravo • 16:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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Now that it has been established that this was essentially a military style battle, isn't it appropriate to put in a full Battle information box such as the Battle of wanat which was a remote Afghan outpost that was hit and partially overrun by a combined Taliban and Al Qaeda force with similar numbers of commandos and firepower? The September 2012 Camp Bastion raid appears to be another battle that was part of this "outrage over the video" military campaign, as with the cyber attacks on US banks credited to Iran. Is there some central place that lists all of the attacks associated with the Innocence of Muslims movie? There has been speculation by Walid Shoebat that maker of the anti-Islam movie clearly associates with Arab fraud artists who appear to be funding terrorism, and the filmmaker's own statements make him out to be an Islamic scholar who as read the Koran and Hadith and hundreds of Islamic books who was observed by his cellmate to read the Korean. That he was rarely seen in any Coptic church may indicate that identity is just as false as his claim to be an Israeli.
If any direct link can be established between those that sponsored the film and those who promoted the anti-embassy riot in Cairo or Benghazi, then the film very much could be not only related but an integral part of the attack. Shoebat notes that the Sam Bacile youtube channel has links through comments and favorites to Wisam Abdul Waris, Waris and Nader Bakkar Bakkar, who were identified September 13th [1] as being the two primary culprits behind the Cairo riots on 9/11. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redhanker ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
These people were clearly not from the neighborhood, and not your typical ex-school teacher or shopkeeper with no combat experience like most of the Feb 17 brigade guards. They had foreign accents,and were later arrested or killed all over the middle east from Tunisia to Egypt. That is the hallmark of a pan-Arab/islamist force such as Al Qaeda, Taliban and the combined force that hit the outpost at Wanat. The attackers in Benghazi had mortar skills honed well enough to kill rooftop machine gunners on the roof in only 3 shots, so they might well be veterans of Wanat where RPG fire was accurate enough to take out the mortar pit and TOW launcher at the beginning of the fight.
There is a narrative that these were just random neighborhood militia people in a game of pickup terrorist attack without planning, and that security was adequate in light of intelligence, and that the president is doing everything possible to secure the welfare of Americans under attack, and to identify and punish the attackers as soon as possible. That should obviously be seen as a misleading cover story being promoted by everyone from the Libyan government to Morsi, Iran and even the Obama administration. The opposite of that narrative is that it was a planned operation coordinated with a video that was specially produced and promoted as cover for the attacks. The filmmaker's own statements is that he an Islamic scholar. He was associated with fraudsters supporting terrorists, and has falsely claimed to be anti-Islamic, Israeli and Copt in an attempt to harm the groups he claims to be a part of.
The opposite narrative is that an obviously highly trained force executed a complex plan that aligned with forces that fly the same black flag as Al Qaeda, in the context of increasing presence of Al Qaeda assisted by Egypt and Iran, and they were just as skilled as the specially trained teams sent to Wanat and Camp Bastion. They were hindered by a CIA, Pentagon and White House that told the forces in the area to stand down and declined to send additional help, and initially denied there was any early evidence the attacks were planned by terrorists That alternative is only being promoted by Fox and rightbloggers while the western and Arab mainstream media is promoting the prior narrative. Both narratives should have a place in this article. Redhanker ( talk) 18:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
This video [3] shows the huge Benghazi Ansar Al-Sharia (Arabic for the Freedom Fighters No Longer Known As Al Qaeda) rally in June where you can see various kinds of pickup trucks with distinctive markings mounting machine guns up to 14.5mm which may be been the very vehicles and people in Afghan garb who participated in the raid. In the second video on this page you can see two camo crew-cab pickups in ansar al-sharia markings parked outside the burning building. It is too bad that according to the president and secretary of state that there weren't any obvious clues as to what organization or militia might have been involved in this attack, or who might have been the leader. Redhanker ( talk) 14:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
It looks like the US embassies in Africa and Pakistan have standardized on armored Toyota Land Cruisers that have taken a beating in other attacks that so far have not been linked, but may well be linked to this attack as the latest in a string of attacks against US diplomats, with the first in pakistan as revenge for killing Bin Laden by Al Qaeda allied terrorists. Vehicles on the Fox recreation look like a Tahoe, but there were clearly Land Cruisers among the torched vehicles. Could somebody do some research on who makes these, and what they are proof against? These took direct point-blank fire from AK-47 with 7.62 ammo, and grenades exploding beneath the vehicle, and drove with 2 flat tires. Fortunately it escaped fire by quad 14.5mm guns which could make swiss cheese out of a Bradley. It does not look like Embassies are equipped with armored humvees with roof mounted guns like the ones assigned to guard troop convoys. There may be enough incidents to create an article just about attacks on US diplomatic vehicles, of which this is just the latest one. Redhanker ( talk) 14:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
http://freetown.usembassy.gov/business_opportunities.html Items to be acquired by us embassy Freetown, Sierra Leone, 3 Toyota Land Cruisers 200 Station Wagon STD V8 Twin TD 9 seats Manual Transmission
May 20, 2011 Associated Press May 20: Pakistani police officers gather around a vehicle damaged in a roadside bomb explosion in Peshawar, Pakistan. (AP) PESHAWAR, Pakistan – A Taliban car bomb struck an armored vehicle taking American officials to the U.S consulate in northwest Pakistan on Friday, officials said, in a strike the militants said was in revenge for the raid that killed Usama bin Laden. Two Americans suffered minor injuries, but one Pakistani passer-by was killed and at least 10 others were wounded in the attack in the city of Peshawar, officials said. The strike was the first on Westerners since the May 2 raid by American commandos on bin Laden's hideout in an army town around three hours from Peshawar. Read more: [4]
So-called Taliban attack on U.S. consulate convoy in Pakistan (Updated 11:00 AM ET) "Peshawar police chief Liaqat Ali told reporters the booby-trapped car appeared to have been parked at the side of the road and exploded as one consulate vehicle was near, forcing it to slam into an electricity pole." A Taliban group is claiming responsibility for the bombing but the modus operandi doesn't look like Taliban to me, and I don't think Taliban or al Qaeda in Pakistan have the kind of surveillance capabilities that would allow them to pinpoint when to detonate the booby-trapped car. [5]
U.K.) Daily Mail report 20th May 2011:
An American diplomatic convoy was hit by a car bomb in Pakistan this morning in the latest attack in a surge of violence since Osama Bin Laden was killed. One local resident was killed and another 11 injured in the attack but no Americans were seriously wounded. Two American security guards were slightly hurt. The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for detonating the 110-lb car bomb as the convoy from the US consulate passed in an area where many Western diplomats live.
[6] AP Exclusive: US Embassy car was targeted in Mexico attack on CIA officers BY E. EDUARDO CASTILLO, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS OCTOBER 2, 2012 FILE - In this Aug. 24, 2012. file photo, an armored U.S. embassy vehicle is checked by military personal after it was attacked by unknown assailants on the highway leading to the city of Cuernavaca, near Tres Marias, Mexico. A senior U.S. official says there is strong circumstantial evidence that Mexican federal police who fired on a U.S. embassy vehicle, wounding two CIA agents, were working for organized crime on a targeted assassination attempt. (AP Photo/Alexandre Meneghini, File)
Happened on 9-11, yet is not linked as a terrorist attack. Hasn't this been confirmed now? -- College Watch ( talk) 00:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, the former SEALs killed in the attack, are listed in this article as being part of the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service. The previous time this was brought there was no actual evidence supplied that either were DSS. Woods was cited in a funeral press release as being "stationed with the Diplomatic Security Service" but in gov/mil lingo this can mean many things. Contractors can be "with" any agency providing services without actually being part of that agency, it's one of the attributes which makes them contractors. There is no citation at all for Doherty being "with" or "in" the DSS.
DSS agents are not simply security guards, they're sworn law enforcement officers and direct GS employees of the federal government. I see no evidence that Doherty or Woods were either and, in fact, most press releases have rather decidedly declined to identify who Woods' and Doherty's actual employers were and what the specific nature of their work in Benghazi was, aside from general assertions of "security". All references to these two men being DSS should be removed until an actual citation can be provided identifying either of them as DSS agents. TomPointTwo ( talk) 10:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
This article at Fox News identifies both men as being with the CIA, which makes much more sense. Doherty is specifically identified as, and Woods is alluded to being, in the CIA's Global Response Staff which provides security to the CIA through contracted former military personnel. At the very least all references to them being DSS should be removed until the picture is made more clear as additional biographical and operational information emerges. TomPointTwo ( talk) 17:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
References
This section is a continuation from the archived section. Again, I am nominating this page for {{ POV-check}} until the 2012 United States elections is over. My concern is with the allegation of cover-up and duplicity by the U.S. administration under Barack Obama on the Benghazi attack, which cause his supporters to remove any facts that may incriminate him, and his opponents to expand on facts to criticize him. Let's focus on what had happened, not what should have happened. The investigation timeline can used to place uncategorized and unsummarized facts until the election is over. Thank you. — Hasdi Bravo • 20:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
What are the specific POV concerns with this article? If there are no specific concerns to be addressed the POV tag should be removed. -- Gibberologist ( talk) 00:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Then why is it included?
"Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer told Fox News that he has sources saying President Obama was in the White House Situation Room watching the assault unfold in real time.[180] However, Obama was visiting wounded veterans at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Maryland for about two-and-a-half hours around that time-frame.[181]" 50.54.233.7 ( talk) 15:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Bla, bla, bla.... Fact is: the Government knew about the attacks not been linked to some video. The government was informed, that Stevens multiple times asked for additional security. Woods and Doherty themselves asked for backup thrice, knowing that there was a platoon of marines not one hour away from the scene. 2 aircraft bases not one hour away frome the scene, AC130 Gunships being available. Parts of the government watched Woods and Doherty die from the situationroom and did nothing. Obama called the Seals and they got Bin Laden. When the Seals called Obama, they got denied. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.156.68.147 ( talk) 13:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
Attention, CBS News just reported that Diplomatic Security agent Scott Strickland, not David Ubben as reported by The Daily Beast, [15] was the one who escorted Stevens and Smith into the "safe haven". We may need to update this as the conflicting information is sorted out by the media. — Hasdi Bravo • 16:27, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
The US does not have an embassy, a consulate, or a diplomatic mission in Benghazi. There are none listed on this State Department list of all the US embassies and consulates in the world. http://www.usembassy.gov/
On September 12, 2012, SecState Clinton made two statements. She never used the word “consulate.” To describe the place that was attacked in Benghazi she used instead the words ‘U.S. diplomatic post, compound, our buildings and our office.’ http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197654.htm http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/09/197630.htm
It's unclear exactly what diplomatic status the Benghazi compound had. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.142.7 ( talk) 06:42, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
What happened to the Talk page archives from last month? I'm trying to find that nice resource list I compiled. Help! -- Cirrus Editor ( talk) 23:38, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
I remove the following original research:
The source sited does not mention or refute the preceeding claims made that Obama was watching the attack in real time. Neither does the source relate specifically to the topic of this article. Given the lack of direct connections to this article found within the source this content constitutes original research.
-- Gibberologist ( talk) 00:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
The article refers to the CIA annex as a diplomatic compound in numerous locations. More and more information is coming out pointing to the CIA Annex as being a secret detention center. Of course, the CIA denies this and will continue to deny for as long as they possibly can. I think there is enough evidence out now that the article should stop referring to it as a diplomatic compound. Before I make any changes I'd like to get some feedback from more experienced editors. Eventually the title of the entry may need to be revised as well but I'm unsure of the procedure to do so. Byates5637 ( talk) 15:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
I'd also add that if there is not yet enough verifiable information to refer to the CIA annex as a detention center, I don't think there is any reason to continue to refer to it as a diplomatic compound either. The mission of the CIA is not and has never been to conduct diplomacy. Byates5637 ( talk) 15:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
There is a ton of superflous information here. I am going to remove the paragraphs that describe various politicians reaction to the deaths. The election is over now and I do not think that any of this is notable anymore. If you disagree, lets discuss here exactly how much should be included. Furthermore, I think the biographies of Doherty and Woods are out of place here and should be removed. Opinions? Byates5637 ( talk) 15:31, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
If the quotes are sourced and here then it's attributable and someone thought it was notable. Why don't you start with specific examples and then follow up with why you think the additions are not relevant to the scope of the article. Bear in mind that the notability litmus for articles is not the same for the content within those articles. See WP:N. As for the more in depth biographical content of the deceased, I'm inclined to agree. I would say biographical information pertinent to the incident at hand is the appropriate scope over content for persons involved, i.e. professional status/history, notable personality traits relevant to decision making, etc. We don't need to know what high school they went to or how many kids they had. TomPointTwo ( talk) 09:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Picture of Woods' funeral could be removed, too. I don't know what this adds to the article. However, if anyone knows how to get a new satellite image of the two compounds, THERE'S a photo the article needs! -- Cirrus Editor ( talk) 01:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
FYI, the resolution in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glen Doherty on others is to WP:MERGE not WP:DELETE. If you we are going to trim down their bio this much, we might as well recreate their pages. Why don't look at other examples on how to handle "minor characters" (e.g., Characters of Glee), where only major character are notable enough to have their own page but bios on minor characters are simply consolidated on one page? Gah, I'd revert this but I get deadlines until the Christmas break. :-( — Hasdi Bravo • 16:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)